Marco van Ginkel

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Not a big fan of the signing considering he offers almost the same qualities as Josh, Nath, RLC to name but a few we should seriously start giving our youths more chances instead of wasting their talents.

Josh Is overrated same with Nate.

RLC is a completely different player and is a year or two away from the first team.

[Strike 7,478]

Why José would convince a young player to come if he wont play him ?

Nothing wrong in questioning it. He has under-used youngsters before. At Chelsea, it could be argued that he had no quality youngsters but There were many young players in Inter who did not get a chance under him. Arnautovic, Bonucci. Same with Real - Canales, Sahin.. the list is longer. Probably Varane is the only youngster he has used extensively

[Funkyflashman 187]

Nothing wrong in questioning it. He has under-used youngsters before. At Chelsea, it could be argued that he had no quality youngsters but There were many young players in Inter who did not get a chance under him. Arnautovic, Bonucci. Same with Real - Canales, Sahin.. the list is longer. Probably Varane is the only youngster he has used extensively

Porto - Hugo Almeida and Bruno Morais were 19. Hugo Luz and Helder Postiga were 20, both costas and Bosingwa were 21. All first team.

Chelsea - Robben was 20, Cech and Joe Cole were 21, Kalou played at 18

Inter - Blooded Balotelli, Santon and Destro

Madrid - You could conceivably argue (I certainly will) that he developed Ozil, Khedira, Di maria, Varane, Callejon.

[Funkyflashman 187]

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Porto - Hugo Almeida and Bruno Morais were 19. Hugo Luz and Helder Postiga were 20, both costas and Bosingwa were 21. All first team.

Chelsea - Robben was 20, Cech and Joe Cole were 21, Kalou played at 18

Inter - Blooded Balotelli, Santon and Destro

Madrid - You could conceivably argue (I certainly will) that he developed Ozil, Khedira, Di maria, Varane, Callejon.

mostly fair examples but. some of the examples - Robben Ozil, di Maria balotelli, varane are more of break-out youngsters than van ginkel.

. there are examples where he's used youngsters yes but there are a fair few he hasn't used as well. nothing wrong in questioning Jose's transfers

[The Rising Sun 711]

Van Ginkel needs a PL loan like Lukaku, in a team which really needs a midfielder.

I dont see the point in loaning him out abroad.

[Styles 9,790]

Van Ginkel needs a PL loan like Lukaku, in a team which really needs a midfielder.

I dont see the point in loaning him out abroad.

He doesn't need a loan. He has played more than a 100 games in a good league. Ginkel is not some untested 18 year old from Chelsea's reserves, he's a promising talent that has featured for his national team. Oscar came at 20 from Brazil with no European experience and performed well.

[Peppen 934]

I watched him play +15 games last season, and he is ready to have significant role in our team in my opinion. Welcome, Marco!

[The Rising Sun 711]

He doesn't need a loan. He has played more than a 100 games in a good league. Ginkel is not some untested 18 year old from Chelsea's reserves, he's a promising talent that has featured for his national team. Oscar came at 20 from Brazil with no European experience and performed well.

I agree about his experience, but i dont see him getting too much gametime this season.

For a player of his age and progressing fast, it might be good for him to continue getting as much competitive football week in week out in the PL to make him a star.

If we keep him and are not able to give him much gametime, which does happen sometimes, then that will hamper his development. It will be the worst case scenario as he will move to a new league with higher standards and then only get gametime every once in a while, and without any momentum it can all go wrong.

I dont know really. Both sides of the coin exist. He looks quite good from what i have seen, so would like for him to be at Chelsea, but he needs to continue his momentum , which might not be available to him by us.

Catch 22.

[Styles 9,790]

I agree about his experience, but i dont see him getting too much gametime this season.

For a player of his age and progressing fast, it might be good for him to continue getting as much competitive football week in week out in the PL to make him a star.

If we keep him and are not able to give him much gametime, which does happen sometimes, then that will hamper his development. It will be the worst case scenario as he will move to a new league with higher standards and then only get gametime every once in a while, and without any momentum it can all go wrong.

I dont know really. Both sides of the coin exist. He looks quite good from what i have seen, so would like for him to be at Chelsea, but he needs to continue his momentum , which might not be available to him by us.

Catch 22.

I understand the point you're making but the transfer window didn't close yesterday. Players will be leaving and there's already talk of Mikel and Romeu which opens up space for somebody like MVG. I would probably agree with you if Mourinho hadn't already met the player, but he has and two days later the deal was done, that tells me MVG is confident he can get enough minutes.

[oxfordblues 299]

the new kezman ?

[Leif 6,006]

In Holland it's reported quite widely that we've actually paid more like around £5m for him compared to this £9m-10m figure being reported by English media. Not a surprise. They do it with most our signings

[drog.ba 239]

Probably £5m+add ons, same as Lukaku was £13m+ but got reported as £18m

I think he could get more games then expected next season depending on how Essien and Lampard perform. I can see Mourinho using a midfield 3 with Mata or Oscar the most attacking of the three, then van Ginkel, Lampard and Ramires competing for a box to box role along with a holding player-possibly a new signing or one of Essien, Mikel(if he stays) and Romeu

[AndersonBLUE 819]

Seems like he could be a rotation option with Ramires.

[Moros 86]

He doesn't need a loan. He has played more than a 100 games in a good league. Ginkel is not some untested 18 year old from Chelsea's reserves, he's a promising talent that has featured for his national team. Oscar came at 20 from Brazil with no European experience and performed well.

What have you been smoking? One of the things that is good in the Netherlands?