OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 18 hours ago, Reddish-Blue said: Buy back clauses only work if the original transfer fee is low (below 15 million). I would much rather see Chelsea start using sell-on clauses with some of these youngsters, that way, we are guaranteed some money if the player lives up to their potential and earns a move to a big club. Sell on clauses, as with KDB for example, are exactly what we do because it amounts to pretty much the same thing as a buy back. In the whole history of football how many players can we name between us who have returned to their former club as a result of a buy-back clause being exercised? I say between us but I don't think I'm going to be much help to be honest. Instead of being exercised, the buy back clause ends up being bought out by the purchasing club in any new move. This is what will happen with Morata if he goes to a third club this summer. Twitter and the media are full of stories of Madrid buying him back then selling him on. That won't happen. Whoever signs the young Spaniard will just pay his former club a fee in return for them waiving their rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Ahmed 528 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Play me or sell me:MVG to Chelsea FC Quote Following a disappointing first half of the season at Stoke City, Chelsea midfielder Marco van Ginkel rebounded at full force in the second half after switching his loan to eventual Eredivisie champions PSV Eindhoven. The 23-year-old contributed with eight goals in thirteen matches to the team's 23rd league title.Van Ginkel's contract with Chelsea ends in two years, and he believes it's decision-time at Cobham. "It is still unclear what I am going to do. I need to report to Chelsea at some point in July and there is [a] new coach there; I need to know what he intends to do.""I am not feeling any pressure, I had a good half season here [in the Netherlands] and I feel fine. If I don't have a future in London, Chelsea would have to sell [me] as I would only have one year left on my contract after next season.""I had a good time at PSV, so a transfer is possible."-Marco van Ginkel; source: De Telegraaf via Inside Futbol The talented midfielder, who recently made his full debut for the Dutch national team, arrived at Stamford Bridge in the summer of 2013, and looked ready to play a part in the Chelsea first-team. But his year was cut short in September, after an ACL injury suffered in just his fourth appearance. It's taken him a couple years, but he looks to have fully recovered now and has once again proven to be a standout performer at Eredivisie level. We once believed on the back of similar performances (at Vitesse) that he could be a part of Chelsea's first-team. Do we believe that again? weaintgotnohistory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 So what is his future? Is there any chance he will replace Mikel as backup for Matic/Kante? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Should sell him , move on, give his chance to youth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 On 05/07/2016 at 8:00 AM, ulvhedin said: So what is his future? Is there any chance he will replace Mikel as backup for Matic/Kante? I've seen nothing in his game which suggests that he can be a Chelsea player, and I can think of no reason, other than financial, why he should want to be a back up here. He should be allowed to move on as soon as it is sensible to do so. mccg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 disagree with the reasons above as I hardly think Mikel is a chelsea or any remotely top club player. However, the problem isn't so much quality, but characteristics. Ginkel looks like a player who does better a bit up in the field, unless he's been doing what asked and can play a more defensive role, in which case then he should def replace mikel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 47 minutes ago, Robguima said: disagree with the reasons above as I hardly think Mikel is a chelsea or any remotely top club player. However, the problem isn't so much quality, but characteristics. Ginkel looks like a player who does better a bit up in the field, unless he's been doing what asked and can play a more defensive role, in which case then he should def replace mikel. If we wanted someone that could play the defensive backup role in midfield, we should have kept Romeu. Van Ginkel has quality but he wouldn't be able to cover for Cesc defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, Reddish-Blue said: If we wanted someone that could play the defensive backup role in midfield, we should have kept Romeu. Van Ginkel has quality but he wouldn't be able to cover for Cesc defensively. agreed, but we don't do that and haven't had adequate cover forever. The top clubs have no mikels in their rosters: only we, liverpool, and united do. Matic had a poor season, did mikel provide adequate cover? How did we play? Hazard was subpar, so who stepped up? My point is that if we say we are ok with mikel coming on, and often like last season, then anything goes: ginkel and others could do such a role. I'd prefer we had 2 similar players for every position (or at least cover) but that's not how the club is run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 7 hours ago, Robguima said: agreed, but we don't do that and haven't had adequate cover forever. The top clubs have no mikels in their rosters: only we, liverpool, and united do. Matic had a poor season, did mikel provide adequate cover? How did we play? Hazard was subpar, so who stepped up? My point is that if we say we are ok with mikel coming on, and often like last season, then anything goes: ginkel and others could do such a role. I'd prefer we had 2 similar players for every position (or at least cover) but that's not how the club is run. We used to have cover for defence, midfield and attack (Ferreira could play RB/LB, Ramires was like a jack-of-all-trades midfielder & Kalou played his part as the backup winger/striker) until 2012/2013. I feel the club was a bit short-sighted with the return of Mourinho. Most of our potential squad depth was sold off to win one title in 3 seasons and now we're back to square one with another new manager. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Hasn't travelled with 30 man squad to USA..probly means he is offski no loan ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Problems?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 On 10/07/2016 at 11:18 AM, Reddish-Blue said: We used to have cover for defence, midfield and attack (Ferreira could play RB/LB, Ramires was like a jack-of-all-trades midfielder & Kalou played his part as the backup winger/striker) until 2012/2013. I feel the club was a bit short-sighted with the return of Mourinho. Most of our potential squad depth was sold off to win one title in 3 seasons and now we're back to square one with another new manager. I'm not a big lover of utility players. I'd much rather have a player that has trained al his life for one position and he knows just what he is. Duppy Conqueror 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Basically he's fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 On 08/09/2016 at 8:04 PM, Special Juan said: Basically he's fucked. Is that a new diagnosis lol , it would be refreshing if every doctor was that blunt n basic. No luck that dude,just hope n pray Zouma dosn't have his karma or we will be even more cfcucked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 Feel sorry for the guy, injuries that prevent such moves must be heartbreaking for players. Hope he gets another opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Van ginkel seem to be unsure if he's going back to PSV on loan http://www.football-oranje.com/van-ginkel-unsure-psv-loan-return/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripen 110 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Scored vs Soton U23. Shame he's so injury prone, he's good player. He had very good time in PSV last season and I think he could be very good option for our team even as a squad player, but given his injuries history he maybe wont play single game for Chelsea first team ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Suppose if we don't sell him in the January sales and we don't get anyone in , might as well hang around for the 2nd half of the season for back up ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood22 50 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 oscar out van ginkel in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyBlue96 990 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Has rejoined PSV it seems. And has extended till 2019 the wes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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