Asier Illaramendi

[Toli 977]

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Khedira and Di Maria are horse piss and you have never been able to set up an argument against it other than saying..."

> nuff said. go play fifa and think illaramendi is the next xabi alonso..have fun with it .

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

You failed to reply to me in a coherent or relevant way again.

I have explained my self time and time again, so you have no logical argument.

Illarramendi is a CDM with DLP capabilities, start watching games and analyzing players and learn your roles.(Read up on DLP's as i doubt you should be giving opinions if you are as uneducated as you show )

Khedira is an immobile piece of shit with no real relevant capabilities in any way. Never capable of helping win a midfield battle against relevant opposition and it showed now for 3 years.

Di Maria is much of the same as showed against real opposition. Doesn't know how and when to pass the ball efficiently, hence a 70 percent passing rate compared to Robben who many compare him to, with an 84 percentile.

No coincidence that no one wants Di Maria in Madrid, he has one foot out the door, and khedira wont start unless ancelotti has a tumor in his brain hence the look for a DM, and the quire reliable reports that Kondogbia will be Real Madrid property soon.

As far as im concerned you are an uninformed poser as your arguments have no substance, your terms are wrong, and you run away to easily, this being the only time you have really replied to me, and thats because i called you out.

Illarramendi is a CDM,with DLP capabilities(you can even see it on the videos i posted, and explanation, LOL). Do your research, novice.

[The Skipper 20,609]

How can he argue with you when you say each and everyone of his arguments are invalid?

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

He can't and thats because they are invalid.

And i proved it by giving relevant information and statistics.

He's pulling incorrect assertions and ideas that are far from the mark.

The Kid has play making abilities and the defensive abilities to be classified as a CDM, and a DLP. He will be laughed at by anyone with a tactical Nous if he refers to him as a DM or B2B. :tophat:

Look at all my proof including the videos that i have posted.

Toli has gotten his terms wrong, and jumped to assertions without any reliable proof, while i have conclusively shown that hes wrong.

With all due respect are you not reading the entire argument? LOL.

I wont take him seriously if he tells me im wrong by (metaphorically) stating how ferrari makes the best army tanks and jet fighters in the world. And it's his inability to confront me with any tactical nous that makes him comment with comments such as the last one btw

One of his biggest errors is his understanding of terms, by DLP he thinks its being AS far as alonso and only spraying balls, but it is very different as shown by the definition of the term on the last page, and also the videos, OH and the STATS, the beautiful stats...

[Toli 977]

stats arent everything in football. you cant assess everything with stats. how can I discuss with you, when you are saying khedira and di maria are piss horse? players who are playing for germany and argentina AS STARTERS, when both team have loads of players, who could substitute them? well, clearly, you are more a tactical genius than löw, mourinho and co.

you have said illara plays similiar to alonso and i have said it is BS. go and ask any real sociedad fan and he will confirm it to you. he is playing different than xabi, and this completely. he is more mobile, more attacking-forward, but he isnt spraying 40 m long passes or gettnig the ball in front of the back 4 and organizing it...THATS NOT his playing style. So he is NOT A next Xabi Alonso. and neither he is a DLP like Modric. for spain U-20 he is playing very deep yes, because they have isco, thiago and all their attacking players...he is the deepst of the Midfielders, but he doesnt really sprays long balls, he mostly gives the ball to Thiago or anyone other and lets them organize the play. or, when koke gets more behind, he joins forward and moves more upfront. its hard to define his role. he is neither a clear DM, nor a clear B2B...he is more of a hybrid type player, who combines something of this roles in one and can fulfill different duties when asked. he is tactically very well educated, as you can see from his roles at Sociedad and Spain. so its hard for me define clearly a role for him, but me personally, I dont see him as a DLP at all.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

I never said that stats are everything, dont use this as an argument implying, that i implied that, as i named it as one of several different factors that i brought in along with term definitions and videos of him playing.

Modric is no DLP because he doesnt have the defensive attributes to be marked as one. He's a CM/ACM.

Using logic such as "di maria" and "khedira" are starters is bad logic, and this simple answer of yours is what i reflect when i talk about tactical nous. You are not giving me an actual tactical opinion when in fact i have watched these players fail for years.

Just because Mourinho and Low do something, it doesnt justify its correctness. Low has never convinced me, and his inability to cope well with his resources is a good example. Same case with mourinho.

How Mourinho thought he could pose well enough systems with khedira and di maria in his team is beyond me.

I have loads of tactical analysis from others as well such as Michael Cox which do a good job at pointing how Madrid got gang banged in too many instances to count, in big part due to the overall deficiencies of khedira and di maria.

Perhaps my apparent harshness towards them is confusing you a little bit, but when i call them irrelevant, i mean that they are irrelevant when it comes to forming a good enough team of very composed and complete footballers like bayern munich for example. Along with the players them selves being below par and overrated.

In fact Low should be paying attention to Bayern and Dortmund

Bender Scweinsteiger

Kroos/Gotze

Managers could have their own reasons but the results and tactical reasoning of the results show they are mistakes.

Khedira is either too average or below average in everything. Thats putting it simply.

Di Maria is not smart enough, hes consistently bad, and has very bad passing, and is predictable.

The results, stats, and just looking at them prove me right.

Alonso is a CDM/DLP. So is Illarramendi. You are confused probably because of how you have seen him play in Sociedad but he is neither a B2B, or DM as you tried to say, he is a CDM, DLP.

Read the description i put there last page.

Its even on the videos. He has very good defensive mobility and awareness, and also playmaking abilities and long balls. The stats back up all of this along with his quite visible traits.

I think ive said enough at this point.

[Eggman 118]

Also, about DLP's.

Here's a masterful description about what a DLP is.

Illarramendi certainly has the CDM and DLP capabilities. (When thinking about CDM's thing about players like Gonalons and the Bender Twins, or CM's with defensive capabilities. CDM's are basically defensive midfielders with good passing capabilities that help link him to the middle of the spectrum between a DM and A CM, while there are also other CDM's like Alonso, Gundogan (yes indeed), and Illarramendi, who are the same but with more playmaking and game controlling mechanics along with defensive abilities.)

(Some players prefer to set up an attack from a withdrawn position, and are often coined deep-lying playmakers, mainly because of their ability to spread play and dictate the game from a withdrawn position. Despite their deep role, they are not classed as defensive midfielders as tackling and defence are not the main function of their roles, and they may have to be supported by a holding midfielder.

Deep-lying playmakers are typically given a moderate amount of defensive responsibilities, but are granted freedom positionally to dictate the play as it evolves, as well as a license to attempt long, riskier passes to the forwards. Examples of these kinds of players include Andrea Pirlo, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Paul Scholes, and Xabi Alonso.

The essential attributes of a deep-lying playmaker include:

• Good long passing ability, to play balls towards forwards and wingers. Crossfield wangers are typically attempted from deep when the opposing full back is drawn towards the middle and there is an open channel in the flank for the on rushing winger.
• Short passing ability. Although many deep-lying playmakers have natural talent and creativity, they are expected to play short simple passes when deep in their half to avoid the possibility of a counter-attack. They are however given some degree of freedom in playing long passes deep into opposition territory.
• Creativity/Vision. The deep-lying playmaker needs to spot openings and opportunities to build up play.
• A good and sure first touch to control the ball when receiving passes under sustained opposition pressure.

In Italy, the Deep-lying playmaker is commonly referred to as the regista.

Also, this excerpt talks about Mr Bastian Schweinsteiger...this man is a complete package, B2B,CDM,CM,DLP. All qualify the man. But hes not strictly a CDM/DLP like Sahin, Alonso, Pirlo, which are my favorite styles.

When I read this about DLP, it really makes me think about De Bruyne, who has all these required skills, but isn't that apt defensively (but as you say it, that isn't really an issue). Hopefully he can develop into this role.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

If anything De Bruyne has the traits to play as an ACM, i dont think anyone should use their time to develop him to play farther up the pitch, doesnt make much sense really.

ACM will be marked as x and would work like the following.

DM

CM X

CDM CDM

ACM

Etc...It would be like asking oscar to become a CDM, irrelevant and too late. De Bruyne should work on maximizing his potential in the area he is experienced in. going farther up the pitch is too much of a stretch imo.

[Beepu 1,714]

You failed to reply to me in a coherent or relevant way again.

I have explained my self time and time again, so you have no logical argument.

Illarramendi is a CDM with DLP capabilities, start watching games and analyzing players and learn your roles.(Read up on DLP's as i doubt you should be giving opinions if you are as uneducated as you show )

Khedira is an immobile piece of shit with no real relevant capabilities in any way. Never capable of helping win a midfield battle against relevant opposition and it showed now for 3 years.

Di Maria is much of the same as showed against real opposition. Doesn't know how and when to pass the ball efficiently, hence a 70 percent passing rate compared to Robben who many compare him to, with an 84 percentile.

No coincidence that no one wants Di Maria in Madrid, he has one foot out the door, and khedira wont start unless ancelotti has a tumor in his brain hence the look for a DM, and the quire reliable reports that Kondogbia will be Real Madrid property soon.

As far as im concerned you are an uninformed poser as your arguments have no substance, your terms are wrong, and you run away to easily, this being the only time you have really replied to me, and thats because i called you out.

Illarramendi is a CDM,with DLP capabilities(you can even see it on the videos i posted, and explanation, LOL). Do your research, novice.

This is the problem with the arguments you make, you do it not for the sake of discussion but to 'win' and look down on people who disagrees with you. Everything you dont agree with is 'invalid' and that poster is uneducated. I kinda felt bad for you when you got bashed quite hard by people like konohas previously, but now that ive read more of your posts I can start to see why.

Hey we all welcome arguments and discussions, but not if you just look down on people and close your ears and go 'nanana im right youre wrong!'

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

This is the problem with the arguments you make, you do it not for the sake of discussion but to 'win' and look down on people who disagrees with you. Everything you dont agree with is 'invalid' and that poster is uneducated. I kinda felt bad for you when you got bashed quite hard by people like konohas previously, but now that ive read more of your posts I can start to see why.

Hey we all welcome arguments and discussions, but not if you just look down on people and close your ears and go 'nanana im right youre wrong!'

Wrong, im just not going to be told im wrong with non existant arguments as back up.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Wrong, im just not going to be told im wrong with non existant arguments as back up.

You're wrong. Deal with it.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

I'll continue to troll you masterfully without even the inch of energy wasted.

Take it.

@ korea, i also took a tone that can maybe be a bit more harsh because its not the first time i had been contradicted by toli by with arguments that with all due respect were not appropriate to my knowledge,and there had been a vibe of animosity between the two in a way. Toli has my apologies if he wants them as hes not a bad bloke from what i can see.

[Beepu 1,714]

Wrong, im just not going to be told im wrong with non existant arguments as back up.

This explains it really. Is the American dream now to be right at everything?

i dont see what argument you want? i think most of us can see that youre being quite a jerk to toli and pretty much most people you argue with in this forum, doesnt matter what vibe is going on between you and the other poster. If clearly the other side doesnt agree then the best thing you can do is just to agree to disagree, even if you argue until your mouth bubbles you wont change his mind and saying "YOURE WRONG!" just makes you sound abit immature. Im not attacking you here, so dont take it as that.

It just sounds like we are talking to a teenager that is going through that phase, where they have to have the last say in everything.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

Instead of replying to you in a different way Korea, im just going to say that i dont think you have things quite accurately, but ill try harder to be more peaceful and understanding.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

In an attempt to get this back on topic, here is a good scouting report on Asier.

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2013/05/04/asier-illarramendi-scout-report/

[lucio 5,418]

In an attempt to get this back on topic, here is a good scouting report on Asier.

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2013/05/04/asier-illarramendi-scout-report/

he would be an awesome signing. btw what do you think of ignacio camacho? i would like him at CDM too

[nadavTKL 1,787]

So... why this topic is so active?

[Mouri_Matic 560]

So... why this topic is so active?

Was wondering the same thing, this player will probably never come to us.

[El Guaje 4]

Are we even interested? He's a quality player but I would rather we actually give Romeu more of a chance who practically almost share the same ability.

[Zinedine Iniesco 172]

he would be an awesome signing. btw what do you think of ignacio camacho? i would like him at CDM too

I will do a bit of scouting on him and get back to you.