Best Formation for current Chelsea Squad?

[Backstreet09 499]

4-3-3: Where would Mata play?

4-4-2: We struggled to get one good striker last season, how exactly do you plan on playing with 2?

3-5-2: Same problem with the 2 strikers. Plus, 3 on the back, really?

1) He would be our third striker but in the middle, so he could even fall back.

2) We were far better when we played both Ba and Torres together.

3) Mikel doesn't do anything, Lamps doesn't help in defending so yesh its the same thing

Plus with Hulk and Hazard wide, we could totally shut our fullbacks from going forward, they would be a good cover

I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

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Edited June 9, 2013 by Backstreet09

[Rmpr 8,977]

He would be our third striker but in the middle, so he could even fall back.

We were far better when we played both Ba and Torres together.

Mikel doesn't do anything, Lamps doesn't help in defending so yesh its the same thing

Plus with Hulk and Hazard wide, we could totally shut our fullbacks from going forward, they would be a good cover

I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT

[Backstreet09 499]

Lol I kinda messed up my last post, but I feel you got my point

[Rmpr 8,977]

Lol I kinda messed up my last post, but I feel you got my point

I swear I didnt understand one single thing of what you tried to say mate!

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

4-3-3: Where would Mata play?

Kinda obvious where... RW ofcourse.

[Backstreet09 499]

I swear I didnt understand one single thing of what you tried to say mate!

That's the most insulting thing I've ever heard, do you even know how many brain cells I fucked up there lol.

Well Corrected it, so read it again not for me, for mila kunis lol.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Kinda obvious where... RW ofcourse.

CM: He doesn't defend enough to please Mourinho there and he doesn't really have the body type to be able to handle the physicality...

RW: He isnt half as effective on the RW as in other areas of the pitch. Can he play there? Of course, but he wont be the Mata we all know!

So I will ask again, where would Mata play on a 4-3-3 and be just as good?

[Backstreet09 499]

CM: He doesn't defend enough to please Mourinho there and he doesn't really have the body type to be able to handle the physicality...

RW: He isnt half as effective on the RW as in other areas of the pitch. Can he play there? Of course, but he wont be the Mata we all know!

So I will ask again, where would Mata play on a 4-3-3 and be just as good?

AS ONE OF THE THREE STRIKERS BUT IN THE MIDDLE

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

CM: He doesn't defend enough to please Mourinho there and he doesn't really have the body type to be able to handle the physicality...

RW: He isnt half as effective on the RW as in other areas of the pitch. Can he play there? Of course, but he wont be the Mata we all know!

So I will ask again, where would Mata play on a 4-3-3 and be just as good?

Agree on the CM he just doesn't have the stamina to play there but disagree on the RW.

Imo a lot of people are exaggerating the amount of influence Mata would lose by playing there.

It's not like he'll suddenly turn into a pub player if we put him on the wing.

Also people are soley crediting his increase in goals and assists to him playing on the AM pos. which is wrong imo.

We have to take into account that this season he wasn't our only creative player. He had Hazard and Oscar in support which relieved some pressure off of him and gave him more space to work with.

I think that playing the 4-2-3-1 just because of Mata would hold our team back.

Mata might lose a bit of influence but not as much as some people want to believe.

[Backstreet09 499]

Agree on the CM he just doesn't have the stamina to play there but disagree on the RW.

Imo a lot of people are exaggerating the amount of influence Mata would lose by playing there.

It's not like he'll suddenly turn into a pub player if we put him on the wing.

Also people are soley crediting his increase in goals and assists to him playing on the AM pos. which is wrong imo.

We have to take into account that this season he wasn't our only creative player. He had Hazard and Oscar in support which relieved some pressure off of him and gave him more space to work with.

I think that playing the 4-2-3-1 just because of Mata would hold our team back.

Mata might lose a bit of influence but not as much as some people want to believe.

YUSSSSS, I don't think if we would change our gameplay(that totally revolve around Mata and where we don't even have a fucking plan B )to something else (that would revolve around our whole team) would damage us, We would only get better.

People need to understand that Mata is not Messi or Ronaldo, he very well be Worldclass but you can't have your whole gameplay depending on one single player. How many times we got fucked when mata was not playing? Everysingle time. How many times we got fucked when mata was isolated, everysingle time.

We can't win trophies like that none can.

[Reddish-Blue 2,516]

Agree on the CM he just doesn't have the stamina to play there but disagree on the RW.

Imo a lot of people are exaggerating the amount of influence Mata would lose by playing there.

It's not like he'll suddenly turn into a pub player if we put him on the wing.

Also people are soley crediting his increase in goals and assists to him playing on the AM pos. which is wrong imo.

We have to take into account that this season he wasn't our only creative player. He had Hazard and Oscar in support which relieved some pressure off of him and gave him more space to work with.

I think that playing the 4-2-3-1 just because of Mata would hold our team back.

Mata might lose a bit of influence but not as much as some people want to believe.

Exactly. Mata would lose a bit of effectiveness...but changing formations would make the "team" stronger on the whole.

Playing 4-3-3 is the way to go.

It would help Oscar become more influential as a CM & we'd probably be able to get the best out of Rambo.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Agree on the CM he just doesn't have the stamina to play there but disagree on the RW.

Imo a lot of people are exaggerating the amount of influence Mata would lose by playing there.

It's not like he'll suddenly turn into a pub player if we put him on the wing.

Also people are soley crediting his increase in goals and assists to him playing on the AM pos. which is wrong imo.

We have to take into account that this season he wasn't our only creative player. He had Hazard and Oscar in support which relieved some pressure off of him and gave him more space to work with.

I think that playing the 4-2-3-1 just because of Mata would hold our team back.

Mata might lose a bit of influence but not as much as some people want to believe.

We struggled last season because we had no striker and no right winger (not counting the pivot's major problems). Buying the right players, makes 4-2-3-1 balanced enough.

Also, you dont make your best players adjust to the team, but the team adjust to the best players. Hazard, Mata and Cavani/Lukaku are better with a line of three attacking players + a target man than with three lines of three players.

If we change it to 4-3-3, it will be a longer period for everyone to adjust to it!

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

We struggled last season because we had no striker and no right winger (not counting the pivot's major problems). Buying the right players, makes 4-2-3-1 balanced enough.

Also, you dont make your best players adjust to the team, but the team adjust to the best players. Hazard, Mata and Cavani/Lukaku are better with a line of three attacking players + a target man than with three lines of three players.

If we change it to 4-3-3, it will be a longer period for everyone to adjust to it!

Agree that we need to buy the right players but why the 4-2-3-1 ? It would take less buys to play the 4-3-3.

Come on, we all know that there's only 1 player that benefits from the 4-2-3-1 and that's Mata. Hazard, Cavani and Lukaku aren't going to be effected that much.

Yes you build your team around your best players, plural not just 1 player.

Hazard played a 4-3-3 with Lille so he knows the formation. Ramires knows it,Mikel knows it, Lampard knows it, our entire defense, apart from ,Azpi knows it.

Over half our team has more then enough experience playing the 4-3-3 so it won't be such a big adjustement.

[communicate 2,703]

Also, you dont make your best players adjust to the team, but the team adjust to the best players.

Excellent post. I keep hearing let's play this formation or that so we can get the best out of kdb/Oscar. I really2 like both player but nobody do that. Clearly our best player is mata. Defensively mata is awful but he is absolutely central in the way we play. It is so obvious that he is our chief playmaker and we want him to get the ball as much as we can and in the middle is where he is best suited. So I think a flexible 4231 is still our best option

[communicate 2,703]

Agree that we need to buy the right players but why the 4-2-3-1 ? It would take less buys to play the 4-3-3.

Come on, we all know that there's only 1 player that benefits from the 4-2-3-1 and that's Mata. Hazard, Cavani and Lukaku aren't going to be effected that much.

Yes you build your team around your best players, plural not just 1 player.

Hazard played a 4-3-3 with Lille so he knows the formation. Ramires knows it,Mikel knows it, Lampard knows it, our entire defense, apart from ,Azpi knows it.

Over half our team has more then enough experience playing the 4-3-3 so it won't be such a big adjustement.

Like u said u built our team around our best playerss. Our best player are mata and hazard. One favorite position is left winger and the one is central am. So why are we playing 433 again

[TrippingStep 336]

4-3-3: Where would Mata play?

4-4-2: We struggled to get one good striker last season, how exactly do you plan on playing with 2?

3-5-2: Same problem with the 2 strikers. Plus, 3 on the back, really?

4-3-3

Mata Right Winger. Oscar or Ramires with Azpilicueta on the right back is good cover on the defensive side. Schürle could play there when we are playing more counter-attack with his pace.

4-3-3 for me would be the best formation for the majority of our squad.

Oscar and KDB would be the two most advanced midfielders, perhaps not in the beginning but after a period of special tactical training I could see KDB in this spot. We have Ramires and Lampard who are also better in a three man midfield.

We only need a big signing for the defensive midfield, we have Romeu Mikel, Ake as squad rotation option.

For me 4-3-3 would offer more options and flexibility, The two more advanced positions of the midfield three can have many game options depending on the opponent in additon to the left and right wing.

With the 4-2-3-1, there are less option i think.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Like u said u built our team around our best playerss. Our best player are mata and hazard. One favorite position is left winger and the one is central am. So why are we playing 433 again

Because ramires prefers to play in a 3 man mifield, Mikel prefers to play in a 3 man midfield, Lamps prefers to play in a 3 man midfield (okay lamps won't be a first team player but he'll be used as a squad player)

A 3 man midfield would also make it easier to implement DeBruyne and Oscar into it. Because of this we wouldn't have to go and buy a DLP.

Also 4-3-3 offers a better defensive shape and if you look at our squad we have Mikel, Ramires, Lampard, Essien, Romeu. All 5 of them prefer to play in a 4-3-3 + there's already 5 of them without adding Oscar or DeBruyne + we're looking to add another midfielder. Like i said before only Mata would be effected negatively apart from that the 4-3-3 only has pro's for the rest of the team.

[OneMoSalah 8,889]

top top players can play in any system. or so they should be able to.

[Thendo 1,088]

How about the christmastree? 4-3-2-1 Rambo-Oscar-De Rossi(?)

Mata - Hazard

New ST/Lukaku

[Jase 43,479]

Also, you dont make your best players adjust to the team, but the team adjust to the best players.

Excellent post. I keep hearing let's play this formation or that so we can get the best out of kdb/Oscar. I really2 like both player but nobody do that. Clearly our best player is mata. Defensively mata is awful but he is absolutely central in the way we play. It is so obvious that he is our chief playmaker and we want him to get the ball as much as we can and in the middle is where he is best suited. So I think a flexible 4231 is still our best option

Agree with the notion there especially when Mourinho is a manager that adapts to the players he got and not the other way around. He's not a manager that has a set default formation and uses it permanently wherever he goes, like in Benitez's case who is so incredibly rigid with his 4-2-3-1. I believe that we'll continue using the 4-2-3-1 formation not just because it allows Mata to play in his best position as CAM, but also the fact that we have quite a number of No.10s that we can use as CAM if and when needed. It will be somewhat of a waste if we don't maximize that.

Moreover, while some of our players only seem to work best in certain formations, while others in another different formation, it also gives Mourinho the flexibility to adapt and change formation if/when needed for games or during them, which has been something key in his managerial career - he's always got that squad of players capable, flexible and adaptable enough to play in different formations (except maybe at Madrid).

Also, some of the players we have got now may not exactly work best in certain formations but I just don't quite believe totally that they can't improve and perform better in formations that is supposedly alien to them. Someone like Mourinho will look to get the best out of them in different formations. 4-2-3-1 will be the main formation for us still with the 4-3-3, 4-4-2 and other possible systems kept in Jose's armory which he will use from time to time in the season.