Antoine Griezmann

[manpe 10,861]

1 minute ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

You come into contact with, as you admit, very few people of African descent but can categorically make a claim that they would be unhappy if he didnt darken his skin...which is something people who have lived with black people know isnt true.

Here you misunderstood me. I was talking about those white self-entitled SJWs over here, as my original post also indicated.

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He wasn't being racist nor was he trying to hurt anyone's feelings,Sometimes people have to look at someone's intentions before becoming all enraged about such stuff, imitating a black globe trotter is nothing bad. His act was was not fully of malice or something, so it shouldn't be taken as a  sign of disrespect to any community.

[El P. 1,354]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

Your approach to this is right, but not everyone’s approach is like that. Some people just laugh it off and don’t even want to listen or hear out on why a person might not be happy about it. That’s what I mean by ignorance. Maybe bigotry is a better word. 

Well, if offended side was telling him their reasons in a normal, decent way, without insulting, he should've listened. If they immediately called him ignorant/racist/whatever, then he have right to laugh at them. And sorry, but I think latter case happens more often.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

6 minutes ago, manpe said:

Here you misunderstood me. I was talking about those white self-entitled SJWs over here, as my original post also indicated.

Gotcha.

 

My apologies for misunderstanding.

[The Skipper 20,609]

2 minutes ago, El P. said:

Well, if offended side was telling him their reasons in a normal, decent way, without insulting, he should've listened. If they immediately called him ignorant/racist/whatever, then he have right to laugh at them. And sorry, but I think latter case happens more often.

So, when someone offends you, do you always respond to them in a calm rational manner?

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31 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

@The Skipper When you look at the pics you posted and the way blackface was used in the past don't you feel like there's a massive difference between how it was used then and how Griezmann used it now ? 

In the past it was used in a racist, derogatory way. Often ridiculing black people. Griezmann isn't doing any of that. He's simply imitating a black globe trotter. There's no ridiculing. He's not using it in a derogatory way. 

I could understand it if he had a thick nose or puffed up lips cause those are clear racist stereotypes. 

Imo intentions matter. How a person uses blackface matters. I have no problem with it aslong as it's used solely to imitate a black person. The moment it becomes derogatory or gets used to ridicule black people then that person deserves to get a shitstorm at his adress.

 

I probably agree with this point of view. Intentions matter. But then again, nothing really offends me. I think society as a whole today always looks to divide from each other. 

People seem to complain a lot about "stealing of culture" these days, which I don't understand. Someone from a different ethnic group does something typical of another ethnic group, and instead of celebrating general human interest and coming together, people complain. 

I come from one of the most war torn countries in the history of earth, probably seeing its longest time of peace and prosperity if you could call it that. I still have idiots my age in their 20's when I meet them talking about Serbs this, Croat this, Bosnian this... I couldn't care less. Particularly because it didn't affect me, and I have to sit here and pretend to care that your ancestors hated their ancestors and you somehow hate them because of what? 

There was even outrage when Nick Cannon did whiteface. I'm honestly wondering who? Who out there cares for that one. 

 

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

What is an SJW?

Edit: Just looked it up, and thank you @El P.I think I remember someone here explaining it to me previously. I’ll try harder to remember in future. 

[El P. 1,354]

5 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

So, when someone offends you, do you always respond to them in a calm rational manner?

With some things it's clear at the first sight that offender's intentions were the wrong ones. And that offender meant it. If I am unsure of his intentions, like every normal person would be in Griezmann's case, I do react in calm rational manner, yes, every time.

[El P. 1,354]

2 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

What is an SJW?

Social Justice Warrior.

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1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

What is an SJW?

It's a short form for social justice warrior, and in this case, people who basically are ignoring someone's intention and getting enraged for something he didn't imply.

[The Skipper 20,609]

10 minutes ago, El P. said:

With some things it's clear at the first sight that offender's intentions were the wrong ones. And that offender meant it. If I am unsure of his intentions, like every normal person would be in Griezmann's case, I do react in calm rational manner, yes, every time.

As would I. But not everyone is like me and you. The problem with this issue is that it unravels a lot of other issues as well, it isn’t as black and white as you make it out to be. You can have good intentions, doesn’t mean what you did isn’t wrong. People have different ways of expressing such. It’s wrong to dismiss the whole thing completely because some people who were offended by it reacted irrationally to it. 

[El P. 1,354]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

As would I. But not everyone is like me and you. The problem with this issue is that it unravels a lot of other issues as well, it isn’t as black and white as you make it out to be. 

Well, I agree actually - both sides could be at fault. Offender and offended. And not being like me and you is their problem. Ergo - not thinking rationally is one's problem, too. But we are talking about this particular case in which I think Griezmann is not at fault, and offended people are.