Ilkay Gundogan

[The Skipper 20,609]

but is gundogan going to return to his best level? he only has 1 bundesliga app this season

That is also true, but I was merely discussing his ability in relation to Kroos'.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Hop his injury doesn't get to essiens level. Fantastic player

[Mufassir08 2,400]

Definitely, but Gundogan is a great passer as well.

Yeah no doubt about it.

[Polo7 3,496]

we already have matic, gundogan gives us nothing special. kroos will be a much better option to play alongside matic.

Do you even understand football??

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Kroos is the better passer though.

How come? i dont think there is a real difference.

The guy that said Gundogan would give us nothing special lives in a world of his own. Gundogan imo is exactly the player we lack - a player that controls the game, has fantastic vision when he makes the right passes in the middle of the park and get the team going forword. He's both quick and fast, he can give a very good pressure play (A Dortmund player..), and he's a good enough defender.

Kroos is a good alternative, but i think he fits the role less. While he is a great passer and a great playmaker, he does not have real experience in "running a game" on his own, controling a game, like Gundogan does, Alonso does, Schweinsteiger does. Kroos's role in previous seasons was the CAM like Oscar in Chelsea. He does have the skills to play as a CM and thats why he played that role when Bayern were short of options, and why this season when Bayern playing in a 4-3-3 he plays as a CM, or even when they play 4-2-3-1 i did saw him play at the pivot.. but the point is that he isnt a proven DLP like Gundogan. Another disadvantage is that he's pretty slow, that wont fit our style of play in attack, while Matic-Kroos wont be the fastest of midfields to say the least, and i think he's not as good as Gundogan as a defender.

For me its:

1. Gundogan

2. Kross

3. Others

Though my bet is on Imbula to be honest.

[didierforever 7,349]

Do you even understand football??

nope. please take me under your tutelage oh great one.

[Polo7 3,496]

nope. please take me under your tutelage oh great one.

Anyone who compares Matic to Gundogan needs more than a lesson.

[didierforever 7,349]

A Gundogan - Matic pivot is just as good as a Kroos - Matic pivot. Probably even better.

Whilst Kroos might be a stronger player (Gundogan isn't even weak to begin with anyway), Ilkay makes up for that with his speed and acceleration (which may suit our counter attacking game a lot more).

Also, Kroos is definitely more of a goal threat but Gundogan is by far the better dribbler. I think Gundogan compliments Matic more than Kroos does.

precisely. The only difference between rambo and gundogan is their passing ability. Workrate, speed rqmbo trumps gundogan. Hence kroos gives us a much wider range of applications. also I feel this kroos is slow hence won't fit our systen is a poor argument. Bqyern were immense under jupp spexially on countering and kroos was an integral part of it.

[didierforever 7,349]

Anyone who compares Matic to Gundogan needs more than a lesson.

some people on here are just waiting to waste others time.

read what i said to TOLI, and then reply. not the brightest fellow, are u?

[lucio 5,418]

if we want a dlp then someone like banega , rakitic or ander.H could be ideal. all have good defence contribution too

[Polo7 3,496]

some people on here are just waiting to waste others time.

read what i said to TOLI, and then reply. not the brightest fellow, are u?

Lol is this guy for real?

"We have matic, Gundogan doesnt add anything special". Explain yourself.

[The Skipper 20,609]

precisely. The only difference between rambo and gundogan is their passing ability. Workrate, speed rqmbo trumps gundogan. Hence kroos gives us a much wider range of applications. also I feel this kroos is slow hence won't fit our systen is a poor argument. Bqyern were immense under jupp spexially on countering and kroos was an integral part of it.

No way that's the only difference. Gundogan is a proper playmaker, has great vision, can control a game from midfield... Ramires can not. It seems like you haven't seen him play much at all.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

precisely. The only difference between rambo and gundogan is their passing ability. Workrate, speed rqmbo trumps gundogan. Hence kroos gives us a much wider range of applications. also I feel this kroos is slow hence won't fit our systen is a poor argument. Bqyern were immense under jupp spexially on countering and kroos was an integral part of it.

Gundogan has fantastic vision and passing abillity, speed and workrate, what more do you need from a DLP? and how Kroos gives us much wider range of applications? becuase he can shoot? the ideal is to have the CM that will complete our first line up, the fact we have Ramires in the squad doesnt metter because if Gundogan will come Ramires wont be a starter.

To be fair, Kroos was injured when Bayern played against Barcelona/Juve in the CL, when they played on counter attacks. They did played like that against Arsenal and Kross was very good.

[didierforever 7,349]

No way that's the only difference. Gundogan is a proper playmaker, has great vision, can control a game from midfield... Ramires can not. It seems like you haven't seen him play much at all.

i saw him play against RM in the semis, bayern in the final.

dint seem as good as kroos normally is.

but reading about him here it seems he is the next most awesome thing ever which quite normalin the forum in any of the transfer threads. for eg - highly underestimating rambo cos of his recent form while over-estimating gundogan inspite of the fact that he has not played for months now and back problems along with knees are very dangerous to a career.

[didierforever 7,349]

Lol is this guy for real?

"We have matic, Gundogan doesnt add anything special". Explain yourself.

those were supposed to be 2 different things but i can understand why it would be confusing, hence the quote from skipper and toli regarding the same doubt too. but unlike children who just want to be stuck at one point and continue with their doldrums until they prove their points, people here heard what i actually meant to sayin the next posts and continued with the debate.

but well, u can too continue with doing what u do best.