🇵🇹 Tiago

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

I'd take Tiago for a couple of seasons. Nice bit of depth in the centre of midfield. Awesome for FFP as well, seeing as we seem to be one of the few who are taking it seriously!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Jose has already said this would be his last season on loan and I've seen nothing to suggest that won't be the case. There is no reason to further loan him.

He also said that Kalas would get 20 starts this season and that Thorgan might be with the first team next season...That's just stuff he says to please supporters, don't take it so seriously.

Plus, even if he did mean that, he said it before the nightmare loan to Forrest and the average at best loan to Boro. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

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He also said that Kalas would get 20 starts this season and that Thorgan might be with the first team next season...That's just stuff he says to please supporters, don't take it so seriously.

Plus, even if he did mean that, he said it before the nightmare loan to Forrest and the average at best loan to Boro. I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

Kalas broke his leg so that was hardly Jose's fault.

The Forest loan was a disaster, mainly because their manager was a twat but the Boro loan was a lot better. He simply shouldn't have been loaned to the Championship this season though and it would probably kill his career if it happened again next season. He needs to be playing and training with the first-team next year otherwise his career will irretrievably stall and I don't think anyone at the club wants to see that happen. He's too good for that, which is why I'd be surprised if he wasn't training with the club this summer and winning that spot.

[Term-X 7,891]

What's Chelsea quality nowadays? Who is this 'new signing'?

Mikel is looking like he's gone and he adds fuck all to our team so why wouldn't Tiago be better next season?

Is he though?, there isn't really any strong links out there to suggest that, Mikel/Torres will both be here next season.

Tiago is the same age as Ashley Cole, he isn't going to add anything to our title assault, he'd be a one-season bench warmer in a side that has enough cover. We need a first teamer (even if it means splashing out on someone like Pogba), so Ramires can be a utility player.

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Is he though?, there isn't really any strong links out there to suggest that, Mikel/Torres will both be here next season.

Tiago is the same age as Ashley Cole, he isn't going to add anything to our title assault, he'd be a one-season bench warmer in a side that has enough cover. We need a first teamer (even if it means splashing out on someone like Pogba), so Ramires can be a utility player.

Problem is, till now, all the signs indicate that Jose sees Rami as a starter and a key player as well.

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Is he though?, there isn't really any strong links out there to suggest that, Mikel/Torres will both be here next season.

Tiago is the same age as Ashley Cole, he isn't going to add anything to our title assault, he'd be a one-season bench warmer in a side that has enough cover. We need a first teamer (even if it means splashing out on someone like Pogba), so Ramires can be a utility player.

Mikel and Torres have both been linked with Inter.

Tiago might be more than a bench warmer. He wasn't that for La Liga champions and the team that knocked us out of the Champions League and he's free. He could be the player who pushed Ramires out of the first-team.

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Problem is, till now, all the signs indicate that Jose sees Rami as a starter and a key player as well.

He also told Demba Ba his situation would improve. If we added (at least) another high level youngster like MVG was, it would increase competition. Signing Tiago would CEMENT places in the squad, fucking freeze them.

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Mikel and Torres have both been linked with Inter.

Tiago might be more than a bench warmer. He wasn't that for La Liga champions and the team that knocked us out of the Champions League and he's free. He could be the player who pushed Ramires out of the first-team.

So a 34 year old Tiago will be partnering Matic next season..

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So a 34 year old Tiago will be partnering Matic next season..

Or competing with Van Ginkel, Chalobah, Ramires and Lampard for that spot.

Not sure how this creates any less competition than signing someone like Pogba. Signing Pogba basically puts a 21 year old and a 25 year old ahead of all of our youngsters. Signing Tiago gives those youngsters a chance whilst also giving us a safety net in case they don't pan out.

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Or competing with Van Ginkel, Chalobah, Ramires and Lampard for that spot.

Not sure how this creates any less competition than signing someone like Pogba. Signing Pogba basically puts a 21 year old and a 25 year old ahead of all of our youngsters. Signing Tiago gives those youngsters a chance whilst also giving us a safety net in case they don't pan out.

Youngsters won't get a chance anyway (Loftus Cheek etc), Benayoun was always favoured over Kakuta, and he was a 'Tiago level' player. Hence the danger..

Mourinho can only work with what he has and if the club can't offload Mikel, he becomes an easy option for when we need to tighten things up.

[robsblubot 3,595]

I like Tiago, but he's a bit past it.

This signing only makes sense if Mikel is leaving.

[Tomo 21,751]

Expierence is the most undervalued aspect of football, or is it a coincidence Arsenal kept falling epically while 20 year old Fabregas was the captain?

If Lamps goes Thiago can take the spot off the midfield veteran. Im all for giving youth a chance and i really want Chalobah building up some minutes next season but imagine this.........

CL semi at the Nou Camp, 1-0 down, 10 men, Matic pulls up. Eva instantly calls for a sub, who do we call upon? a 19 year old who is very talented and got a great future, but is in his first season at the top level and has mainly been playing cup games and league cameo's when the win's secure

or

an experienced international with 58 caps, won the title in 3 different countries, played in England, Italy, Portugal, France and Spain and will add some calm to a horrible looking situation.

Who would you choose in such extreme adversity. If this was fifa career mode, ill sign Vidal for 20m plus Torres, but sometimes an experienced bargain is the order off the day.

[Bir_CFC 3,455]

I can understand an argument for Chalobah but Loftus Cheek? Really? There is no way he's ready to be part a top 5 European team.<br />

I can understand the excitement and inclination for everyone to get youth players into the squad but let's be realistic. These guys just played a youth cup and you want then to jump from that to the PL? <br />

Patrick Roberts was one of the best youth/reserve players in all of England and he didn't get into Fulham's team for goodness sake.

[Fernando 6,585]

Expierence is the most undervalued aspect of football, or is it a coincidence Arsenal kept falling epically while 20 year old Fabregas was the captain?

If Lamps goes Thiago can take the spot off the midfield veteran. Im all for giving youth a chance and i really want Chalobah building up some minutes next season but imagine this.........

CL semi at the Nou Camp, 1-0 down, 10 men, Matic pulls up. Eva instantly calls for a sub, who do we call upon? a 19 year old who is very talented and got a great future, but is in his first season at the top level and has mainly been playing cup games and league cameo's when the win's secure

or

an experienced international with 58 caps, won the title in 3 different countries, played in England, Italy, Portugal, France and Spain and will add some calm to a horrible looking situation.

Who would you choose in such extreme adversity. If this was fifa career mode, ill sign Vidal for 20m plus Torres, but sometimes an experienced bargain is the order off the day.

If this is the case, then there's no need to get rid of players like Cole.

Fact is that Chelsea is no longer going that route. If we can't keep some of our oldies, the fuck we doing looking for another oldie?

[Pizy 18,918]

I thought it was obvious to everyone here that Lamps was staying for another season. He clearly is.

We don't need to sign Tiago. José speaks constantly about wanting to usher in a new era of Chelsea players. Don't see how bringing in a 34 year old accomplishes that. We have more than enough veteran leadership. We need a young, top class midfielder with potential not a player at the end of his career.

[Term-X 7,891]

Expierence is the most undervalued aspect of football, or is it a coincidence Arsenal kept falling epically while 20 year old Fabregas was the captain?

If Lamps goes Thiago can take the spot off the midfield veteran. Im all for giving youth a chance and i really want Chalobah building up some minutes next season but imagine this.........

CL semi at the Nou Camp, 1-0 down, 10 men, Matic pulls up. Eva instantly calls for a sub, who do we call upon? a 19 year old who is very talented and got a great future, but is in his first season at the top level and has mainly been playing cup games and league cameo's when the win's secure

or

an experienced international with 58 caps, won the title in 3 different countries, played in England, Italy, Portugal, France and Spain and will add some calm to a horrible looking situation.

Who would you choose in such extreme adversity. If this was fifa career mode, ill sign Vidal for 20m plus Torres, but sometimes an experienced bargain is the order off the day.

Ancelotti thought that when he kept shunning Kakuta for Benayoun, where is Benayoun now?.. what impact did he have for us?

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Youngsters won't get a chance anyway (Loftus Cheek etc), Benayoun was always favoured over Kakuta, and he was a 'Tiago level' player. Hence the danger..

Mourinho can only work with what he has and if the club can't offload Mikel, he becomes an easy option for when we need to tighten things up.

Tiago is a much better option than Mikel all round. Mikel really is only useful in one type of situation and Tiago probably does that better anyway.

If Van Ginkel and Chalobah are the young guys this year then who are the senior players? Ramires? Matic is still young himself and that leaves Lamps who may not stick around. A 33 year old whose last two games were the La Liga decider and the Champions League Final and who knows the club and the league and the manager could be a valuable commodity.

I can understand an argument for Chalobah but Loftus Cheek? Really? There is no way he's ready to be part a top 5 European team.<br />

I can understand the excitement and inclination for everyone to get youth players into the squad but let's be realistic. These guys just played a youth cup and you want then to jump from that to the PL? <br />

Patrick Roberts was one of the best youth/reserve players in all of England and he didn't get into Fulham's team for goodness sake.

Actually Roberts did and he's younger than Loftus-Cheek....and not as good. Yet.

Loftus-Cheek is probably one of the best young talents around and is possibly ahead of where Pogba and Chaloba were at the same age. He could skip the loan process all together and go into the first-team squad.

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We need a young, top class midfielder with potential not a player at the end of his career.

Van Ginkel

Chalobah

Loftus-Cheek

Colkett

Boga

Swift

Ake

Baker

[Blue Armour 4,442]

Expierence is the most undervalued aspect of football, or is it a coincidence Arsenal kept falling epically while 20 year old Fabregas was the captain?

If Lamps goes Thiago can take the spot off the midfield veteran. Im all for giving youth a chance and i really want Chalobah building up some minutes next season but imagine this.........

CL semi at the Nou Camp, 1-0 down, 10 men, Matic pulls up. Eva instantly calls for a sub, who do we call upon? a 19 year old who is very talented and got a great future, but is in his first season at the top level and has mainly been playing cup games and league cameo's when the win's secure

or

an experienced international with 58 caps, won the title in 3 different countries, played in England, Italy, Portugal, France and Spain and will add some calm to a horrible looking situation.

Who would you choose in such extreme adversity. If this was fifa career mode, ill sign Vidal for 20m plus Torres, but sometimes an experienced bargain is the order off the day.

Not to mention we've lacked a proper "utility" player since Belletti left...useful signing and a free transfer. Not bad at all.

[Tomo 21,751]

Ancelotti thought that when he kept shunning Kakuta for Benayoun, where is Benayoun now?.. what impact did he have for us?

Tiago is a lot better than Benayoun, would Yossi at his 'peak' let alone past his best got into the side of the La Liga Champions. Plus Leti are a more advanced version of the direction we are going in, which goes a way to explaining the link.

Regarding the Kakuta thing, i trust Jose more than Carlo to strike the balance, he found enough games for Huth, Diarra and Mikel amoungst the world class superstars surrounding them.