Forget sacking Rafa its a new board we need

[The only place to be 11,313]

I personally didn't think they were brilliant when they sacked AVB, even after winning the CL. Yes we got short term results but the long term plan was screwed and we can see the effects of that with the sacking of RDM and the current fiasco under Rafa. And frankly, if the club doesn't make profit the year that it wins the CL then it is in deep trouble. I do think thy have done brilliantly with the sponsorship deals, especially over the last year or so.But the thing with the board is, the positives do not justify the negatives.

AVB lost everyone at the club, from the youth players to the reserve team right up to the senior squad. They had no option - it was his personality that fucked him over. Now that might be something he learns from and becomes a better manager for, but he simply wasn't a very good man manager in his time at Chelsea. His position became utterly untenable. I think the re-adjustments for the long-term have been pretty good actually, although it's hard to judge it properly until summer.

It's also very easy to say we should make a profit when we win the CL, but we have had huge outgoings for the last decade so there's really nothing to say we should be profitable especially when you compare our revenue streams (particularly matchday income) to other clubs.

Just now, I read Torres keeps telling others he wished he was still at Liverpool. In training he appears to be disinterested.

Well, here we go. More fucking problems in the dressing room.

The mood is militant again.

Now, my question. How does Rafa motivates the others under this circumstance ?

He plays his best team, focuses on the league and then leaves. He also has to bring Terry back into the team as soon as possible I think and marginalise Torres.

[zolayes 14,489]

the policy seems to be

1 get rid of coaches

2 get rid of popular players

3 get rid of the fans

seems on target

4 ??????

[SeB 1,281]

I get what you're saying,but even as a squad player, we should be aiming a lot higher..

Also if we're in need of options we should be bringing back the likes of Mceachran, KDB, Chalobah, Kakuta etc not buying an average play like James Morrison.

McEachran and Chalobah aren't ready, I mean being a virtual starter in Championship at 18 is not enough. And no need to burn them out so early in their careers by giving a rotation role they're not able to afford.

Kakuta shows good things at Vitesse it seems but he doesn't broadly offers more than Marin. KdB is on loan at Bremen, does good things but not ready yet to earn his place on the wings, let alone at CM (even if I'm convinced he'll do in the future).

Our team is massively inexperienced, that's the reasons of our recent flaws

[bushman 2,043]

AVB lost everyone at the club, from the youth players to the reserve team right up to the senior squad. They had no option - it was his personality that fucked him over. Now that might be something he learns from and becomes a better manager for, but he simply wasn't a very good man manager in his time at Chelsea. His position became utterly untenable. I think the re-adjustments for the long-term have been pretty good actually, although it's hard to judge it properly until summer.

It's also very easy to say we should make a profit when we win the CL, but we have had huge outgoings for the last decade so there's really nothing to say we should be profitable especially when you compare our revenue streams (particularly matchday income) to other clubs.

He plays his best team, focuses on the league and then leaves. He also has to bring Terry back into the team as soon as possible I think and marginalise Torres.

Since Rafa is facing discontentment at the club by many players who are fed up with Ferda how does he motivates them to play well ?

I have said for over a year, Ferda is the biggest obstacle of this club.

I just pray Roman orders to sell this dimwit. Today, I read he´s even disinterested to train. It certainly effect others to see it. Just dump him for any amount. Roman can survive even with a loss.

[Spike 12,049]

McEachran and Chalobah aren't ready, I mean being a virtual starter in Championship at 18 is not enough. And no need to burn them out so early in their careers by giving a rotation role they're not able to afford.

Kakuta shows good things at Vitesse it seems but he doesn't broadly offers more than Marin. KdB is on loan at Bremen, does good things but not ready yet to earn his place on the wings, let alone at CM (even if I'm convinced he'll do in the future).

Our team is massively inexperienced, that's the reasons of our recent flaws

I couldn't give two flying tosses about what they've done in the Championship. Loans, loans, loans it's all nonsense. Either give them a run in the first team or tell them to piss off. The only way they'll ever make it at Chelsea is if they are given games here not at clubs like Boro and Watford. Premier League clubs can't be trusted either, look at what happened with McEachran and Kakuta, they just rotted on the bench. All those minutes at Swansea for Josh would have been better here at Chelsea.

Throw them in the deep end or throw them out. That's my philosophy.

Fucking muppets running this club.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Just now, I read Torres keeps telling others he wished he was still at Liverpool. In training he appears to be disinterested.

Well, here we go. More fucking problems in the dressing room.

The mood is militant again.

Now, my question. How does Rafa motivates the others under this circumstance ?

Fine him, stick him in the wilderness with Malouda and then offload him in the summer... I'd fine him every week - so we don't pay him anything until the end of the season. Fuck the LMA !!!

Bring Walcott in and maybe some other players... and we'll easily make the CL spot.

Sign Falcao in the summer = Job Done...

Now - how difficult was that? It also sends a clear message to the players - don't get too fucking big for your boots... I like that about SAF - he's the boss and the players know it...

[The only place to be 11,313]

Throw them in the deep end or throw them out. That's my philosophy.

I would certainly like to see a lot more of this. The simple fact is that what we've done in the last decade hasn't worked. John Terry had one loan spell in which he played 6 games for Forest. Lampard had 9 games at Swansea.

What we need is someone prepared to give them a chance. I've been happy with the loans Chalobah and McEachran got because they simply won't see any here, but we have to really start using the academy effectively.

[bushman 2,043]

Fine him, stick him in the wilderness with Malouda and then offload him in the summer... I'd fine him every week - so we don't pay him anything until the end of the season. Fuck the LMA !!!

Bring Walcott in and maybe some other players... and we'll easily make the CL spot.

Sign Falcao in the summer = Job Done...

Now - how difficult was that? It also sends a clear message to the players - don't get too fucking big for your boots... I like that about SAF - he's the boss and the players know it...

Well, I like your tough approach. Just one thing I am not sure of. What does it say in his astronomical contract ?

Some might think, your way is that easy ?

[SeB 1,281]

The issue is always the same, you can't play more than a couple of youngster if you want to challenge for titles.

Just look at where comes from the U21 National Teams players all over Europe: mid table clubs, often 2nd division. Ones who plays in big clubs earn their call ups on their reputation, not weekly game time

@, Kakuta and Josh's loans were to contextualize considering both were loaned to a midtable club who could afford 4 or 5 players in his position back then (Gera, Dempsey, A Johnson, Dembélé) and the other was expected to play where Sigurdsson was in the form of his life.

But basically that just proves they weren't regarded by Premier League managers to start games in mid-table. And some still expect them to be 3rd choice at Chelsea in their respective positions

[Spike 12,049]

The issue is always the same, you can't play more than a couple of youngster if you want to challenge for titles.

Just look at where comes from the U21 National Teams players all over Europe: mid table clubs, often 2nd division. Ones who plays in big clubs earn their call ups on their reputation, not weekly game time

@, Kakuta and Josh's loans were to contextualize considering both were loaned to a midtable club who could afford 4 or 5 players in his position back then (Gera, Dempsey, A Johnson, Dembélé) and the other was expected to play where Sigurdsson was in the form of his life.

But basically that just proves they weren't regarded by Premier League managers to start games in mid-table. And some still expect them to be 3rd choice at Chelsea in their respective positions

I think it more means that they'd rather rely on a player that is owned by the club rather than a loanee that will just leave in a few months. And a club can't cut a profit from a loanee.

I hate loans. Stupid concept.

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McEachran and Chalobah aren't ready, I mean being a virtual starter in Championship at 18 is not enough. And no need to burn them out so early in their careers by giving a rotation role they're not able to afford.

Kakuta shows good things at Vitesse it seems but he doesn't broadly offers more than Marin. KdB is on loan at Bremen, does good things but not ready yet to earn his place on the wings, let alone at CM (even if I'm convinced he'll do in the future).

Our team is massively inexperienced, that's the reasons of our recent flaws

And getting James fucking Morrison will solve them..?

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

The profit last year was a a fluke mixed with accounting tricks on our transfers (we spent a lot more than we brought in but we count them differently so we had a "profit"). http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/09/chelsea-cancelled-shared-profit-abramovich There's absolutely no way we don't lose a lot of money this year. I don't understand people saying the board is doing a good job. In 2009-2010, we won the double with an incredible +71 goal differential. Since then, we've spent net around 240M pounds and have gotten considerably worse. We could have bought 10 players for 24M pounds each. That's Robin Van Persie or Juan Mata kind of money...for 10 different players. Even without the Torres signing, we've still spent enough to build an entire new elite squad. It's almost impossible to spend the kind of money we've spent and not have an elite team but somehow we've managed. In that period, we've also gone through four managers and we'll have a fifth next year. We have mish-mash of players and styles. We have no depth at all in some places and too much depth in others. All this talk of rebuilding and young talent is pointless. That's what teams that don't spend money have to do. When you're a team that's spending 80M pounds a year, you should be able to field an elite team every year. We all knew that this year wasn't going to be a great year, but that's only because we were in such a horrible place from last year.

But they're doing a good job, why? Because we have some youth players that might become good? So what? For big clubs, this is a relatively minor part of the operation. Anyway, we'll be lucky if more than one of our youth players ever becomes a Chelsea regular for any period of time. FFP doesn't mean that teams are going to be paupers. Big teams, will still be able to spend 50-60 million pounds a year in transfers. If they don't have an established starter, they'll just buy someone. Clubs are able to buy established regulars for 10-15M pounds. The transfer market won't really change much (except the extravagant spending). And that's what we'll do too. We're going to spend money this winter or this summer or both buying some new players moving our youth players further down the pecking order.

We are in good shape as a club because we have a billionaire owner and so we can spend more than other clubs and we have more stability at the ownership level. That doesn't mean we're run well. That said, the board is doing a few things better. Signing a very nicely priced Ba instead of chasing someone like Falcao was a nice improvement and a hopeful sign for the future.

[SeB 1,281]

I think it more means that they'd rather rely on a player that is owned by the club rather than a loanee that will just leave in a few months. And a club can't cut a profit from a loanee.

I hate loans. Stupid concept.

1 month, 3 month, 6 months loans are pointless. But I think a season long loan offers a little more options for both parts

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Well, I like your tough approach. Just one thing I am not sure of. What does it say in his astronomical contract ?

Some might think, your way is that easy ?

His Astronomical contract will have 'breach' conditions, like any contract. Publically stating he would rather play for another team - could easily be deemed a breach of trust, detracting from the clubs branding etc.

Definitely 'fineable' offence - plus his motivaitonal displayes on / off the pitch tend to suggest he isn't happy. So I would demote him. There's nothing in a contract that says you cannot be demoted or made to play for the reserves...

So basically, fuck him and any other player that comes to this club and expects to pick up a paycheque - we're CFC not PSG / Man City... The sooner the players realise this, the better our team morale will be and the quicker we can get back to being a team that is feared on the pitch.

Yes it might seem 'draconian' - but you can't make an omellette without breaking eggs... Being 'Spanish' Torres should know this

[Tomo 21,751]

Rafa and our board are the least of our problems. Torres is THE problem. We should actually consider releasing him and paying him off, best £30m we will ever spend, that's how much of a detriment to us he really is.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Yes it might seem 'draconian' - but you can't make an omellette without breaking eggs... Being 'Spanish' Torres should know this

Recipe:

Take one Torres, let it sit for 90 minutes (give or take stoppage time). No need to watch over the omelette as it's been done for a couple of years. In fact, it's already garbage. Move on, make some Ba(tter) instead.

[The only place to be 11,313]

The issue is always the same, you can't play more than a couple of youngster if you want to challenge for titles.

We are in good shape as a club because we have a billionaire owner and so we can spend more than other clubs and we have more stability at the ownership level. That doesn't mean we're run well. That said, the board is doing a few things better. Signing a very nicely priced Ba instead of chasing someone like Falcao was a nice improvement and a hopeful sign for the future.

You say it's a 'nice improvement' but we've been doing that for a while now. Azpi, Cahill, Moses, De Bruyne....all bought around the £10 million mark and three of them are long-term options. This will be the new reality of Chelsea were role players are bought at reasonable prices, one or two marquee signings come in, the wages are lower and we have a production line of young players coming through.

Relying on Roman is yesterday's thinking and it's pretty stupid in all honesty. We're not going back to 2004 levels of spending. We're going to start using young players in the first team and as someone who grew up seeing the likes of Jody Morris, Mark Nicholls and John Terry come through I can tell you there's nothing better than that. That's why people want to see the youngsters given a go.

The profit last year was a a fluke mixed with accounting tricks on our transfers (we spent a lot more than we brought in but we count them differently so we had a "profit"). http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/09/chelsea-cancelled-shared-profit-abramovich There's absolutely no way we don't lose a lot of money this year. I don't understand people saying the board is doing a good job. In 2009-2010, we won the double with an incredible +71 goal differential. Since then, we've spent net around 240M pounds and have gotten considerably worse. We could have bought 10 players for 24M pounds each. That's Robin Van Persie or Juan Mata kind of money...for 10 different players. Even without the Torres signing, we've still spent enough to build an entire new elite squad. It's almost impossible to spend the kind of money we've spent and not have an elite team but somehow we've managed. In that period, we've also gone through four managers and we'll have a fifth next year. We have mish-mash of players and styles. We have no depth at all in some places and too much depth in others. All this talk of rebuilding and young talent is pointless. That's what teams that don't spend money have to do. When you're a team that's spending 80M pounds a year, you should be able to field an elite team every year. We all knew that this year wasn't going to be a great year, but that's only because we were in such a horrible place from last year.

We did also win the Champions League....

But the problem goes back to the short-term thinking of the first few years of Roman's reign. We spent big money on established players and we suffered when they either grew old or moved on and we didn't have replacements. Transitioning to a new way of running a club was always going to be painful and we lacked the stability in the manager's role to cover up the cracks. Now we're actually positioning ourselves for long-term success which is why some people think the board are doing a good job. The amount of talent we have in the academy is somewhat astounding and the amount of talent we have between the ages of 18 and 25 is amongst the best in Europe.

The biggest handicap has been the Torres deal though. It was a massive financial commitment and it's had massive effects on our on-field performance. It's hard to overstate the amount that this one deal held us back and until he's gone, we'll struggle.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Recipe:

Take one Torres, let it sit for 90 minutes (give or take stoppage time). No need to watch over the omelette as it's been done for a couple of years. In fact, it's already garbage. Move on, make some Ba(tter) instead.

Nice one You are a lyrical genius Too much time on your hands

[bushman 2,043]

His Astronomical contract will have 'breach' conditions, like any contract. Publically stating he would rather play for another team - could easily be deemed a breach of trust, detracting from the clubs branding etc.

Definitely 'fineable' offence - plus his motivaitonal displayes on / off the pitch tend to suggest he isn't happy. So I would demote him. There's nothing in a contract that says you cannot be demoted or made to play for the reserves...

So basically, fuck him and any other player that comes to this club and expects to pick up a paycheque - we're CFC not PSG / Man City... The sooner the players realise this, the better our team morale will be and the quicker we can get back to being a team that is feared on the pitch.

Yes it might seem 'draconian' - but you can't make an omellette without breaking eggs... Being 'Spanish' Torres should know this

To confirm his statements someone has to come out & say it to the management. My question. Who´s going to do that ?

This could mean much trouble for the player. How about if Ferda denies it ? One thing I can say, the club is in one big fucking mess again. Now, I read certain fans are prepare to boo Rafa until he leaves.

Oh boy, are we in rough times or what ?

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Its funny that you want a new board yet its obvious that it is abramovich making all the decisions. Do you want your 35 million superstars or do you want a stable board?