🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[DDA 9,939]

Schurrle as a striker against the poorer teams, like Fulham, obviously will (and did) work. Against the better sides... no chance.

Why no chance?

We haven't seen him play against big side yet in the striker role! And no Man United does not count :-D

You can only make this claim after seeing how does in that role over a number of games I.M.O.

He is a good finisher and very direct.

[Jase 43,479]

Fine. I agree 1 game is not enough to say there's a pattern, but it doesn't change the fact that it wasn't an impressive performance. I personally feel he can have a better showing coming in from a wide position, and is not well equipped to be a CF(which is what we really need for our play, as opposed to an out and out ST)...certainly not the type to play in the EPL, or as a false 9.

I don't disagree with your point because one also do wonder whether Schurrle, if played as a ST, can hold up the play and play others in which is something crucial in this team that we have. At the moment, do think Schurrle will be suited upfront when we are playing purely on the counter attack by us and have lots of space to break into (e.g. the league game against Man City at the Etihad last month) be it running between the CBs and/or into the channels. It still would be an interesting experiment to play Schurrle as a ST though.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Didn't say he had nothing to do with the trophies.. I said he didn't have THAT MUCH to do with the victories

He was our top scorer in Europe last season, I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous statement to make.

People get so caught up in their agendas and camps for and against players they sometimes forget the team. He helped the team with its success since he joined and he played a key role in our EL win last season. Taking that away just to make the point is very ungrateful.

[Yeboii 1,844]

He was our top scorer in Europe last season, I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous statement to make.

People get so caught up in their agendas and camps for and against players they sometimes forget the team. He helped the team with its success since he joined and he played a key role in our EL win last season. Taking that away just to make the point is very ungrateful.

I don't really have an agenda against Torres. I do say that he is bad a lot since I think he does more harm than good for the team.

[The Skipper 20,609]

He was our top scorer in Europe last season, I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous statement to make.

People get so caught up in their agendas and camps for and against players they sometimes forget the team. He helped the team with its success since he joined and he played a key role in our EL win last season. Taking that away just to make the point is very ungrateful.

Yeah sure, Torres was pretty vital in the Europa league against average European sides, but apart from that he hasn't had much of a say in any other trophy he's managed to obtain here.

[Jase 43,479]

Yeah sure, Torres was pretty vital in the Europa league against average European sides, but apart from that he hasn't had much of a say in any other trophy he's managed to obtain here.

Oh come on. Let's not forget about the corner he won in Munich..

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I don't really have an agenda against Torres. I do say that he is bad a lot since I think he does more harm than good for the team.

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

Yeah sure, Torres was pretty vital in the Europa league against average European sides, but apart from that he hasn't had much of a say in any other trophy he's managed to obtain here.

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

[The Skipper 20,609]

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

Let's just stick to discussing Torres' contributions to the team because you fully know that I don't say any of that about the likes of Ramires, Mikel, Eto'o, Luiz, Cech etc, who have all (bar Eto'o) done way more for this club than Torres has.

You're acting like Torres has done so many things for this team... Like I said, apart from playing well against average European sides in the EL, Torres has practically done fuck all for us.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Let's just stick to discussing Torres' contributions to the team because you fully know that I don't say any of that about the likes of Ramires, Mikel, Eto'o, Luiz, Cech etc, who have all (bar Eto'o) done way more for this club than Torres has.

You're acting like Torres has done so many things for this team... Like I said, apart from playing well against average European sides in the EL, Torres has practically done fuck all for us.

Obviously that wasn't aimed at you personally, but the general theme that our fans are following.

Only played well against average European sides? Are you seriously saying that Torres hasn't had good performances for us outside of the EL last season? Bayern, Tottenham and City off the top of my head this season. He's scored against top teams as well as average teams. He's been inconsistent, yes, but that's one thing and it's completely another saying he only plays well against shit teams.

Torres has been a regular for over three years. He's contributed to the club's success during that time just like all the players have. Everyone is entitled to criticizing the players, that is after all one of the points of the forum. I was called a Torres hater when only me and Tomo were criticizing his drought when he joined while everyone was blaming Malouda for not passing to him. But there's criticism and then there's pointless slating.

The constant slating and putting down of our own players has gotten ridiculous. What exactly is the point of saying stuff like "Torres only scores against shit teams" or "Luiz only had two good months under Rafa" or "Apart from that goal against Barca, Ramires has done nothing for the club"?!

Those are the type of bitter comments that are usually made by opposition fans. It's weird reading them coming from Chelsea supporters about our own players.

[didierforever 7,349]

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

i did go to the players' forum and do you know what i ACTUALLY saw? (this is the summary version)

cech - world class keeper, we might have 2 WC keepers, jose will have to decide between who to keep between 2 WC keepers, cech is becoming a little error prone,,, world class keeper so on and so forth

hazard - oh awesome, just awesome, next ballon d'or, blah blah blah...

oscar - workrate, workrate, class, quality, "out of form", fatigued", work rate work rate... etc etc

azpi - brilliant, workhorse, wall, should be no.1, player of the season... etc etc.

GC- brilliant, really improved, has become WC, next JT etv etc

MATIC - awesome, tackles, interceptions, best DM, yaya toure etc etc

JT- CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL

except for luiz (has massively underperformed this year, specially considering the high at which he finished last season), mikel (has underperformed for years now, and there is no denying his limitations) and torres (he has been decent this season but considering the fact that people have lost all faith and belief in him after his game after game of shit performances, who can blame them).

hence i would say this is very much a CHELSEA FORUM. and a good one at that. out of 22-25 people squad, their will always be underperformers who will be singled out. the above 3 are those for us.

PS - i have not even said a thing about any of the youth players cos each of them is expected to be the "best academy product right now".

[CHOULO19 24,332]

i did go to the players' forum and do you know what i ACTUALLY saw? (this is the summary version)

cech - world class keeper, we might have 2 WC keepers, jose will have to decide between who to keep between 2 WC keepers, cech is becoming a little error prone,,, world class keeper so on and so forth

hazard - oh awesome, just awesome, next ballon d'or, blah blah blah...

oscar - workrate, workrate, class, quality, "out of form", fatigued", work rate work rate... etc etc

azpi - brilliant, workhorse, wall, should be no.1, player of the season... etc etc.

GC- brilliant, really improved, has become WC, next JT etv etc

MATIC - awesome, tackles, interceptions, best DM, yaya toure etc etc

JT- CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL, CLL

except for luiz (has massively underperformed this year, specially considering the high at which he finished last season), mikel (has underperformed for years now, and there is no denying his limitations) and torres (he has been decent this season but considering the fact that people have lost all faith and belief in him after his game after game of shit performances, who can blame them).

hence i would say this is very much a CHELSEA FORUM. and a good one at that. out of 22-25 people squad, their will always be underperformers who will be singled out. the above 3 are those for us.

PS - i have not even said a thing about any of the youth players cos each of them is expected to be the "best academy product right now".

Really?

Dude, who are trying to fool? I can read the forum my self and know that this isn't true. Obviously it's not everybody, but quite a lot of people. Ramires has been slated from the start of the season, Luiz isn't even playing much yet people are queuing up to call him a terrible player, and Mikel has been coming on for the last few minutes of the past couple of games to kill the game off and did exactly that yet he's still being singled out, and how has Torres been one of the three under performers? He's been pretty much the same as Eto'o and miles better than Ba this season.

I didn't say there aren't positive comments, but the comments I'm talking about are not criticism, they are just pointless bashing and putting down of players that should not exist at all.

[didierforever 7,349]

Really?

Dude, who are trying to fool? I can read the forum my self and know that this isn't true. Obviously it's not everybody, but quite a lot of people. Ramires has been slated from the start of the season, Luiz isn't even playing much yet people are queuing up to call him a terrible player, and Mikel has been coming on for the last few minutes of the past couple of games to kill the game off and did exactly that yet he's still being singled out, and how has Torres been one of the three under performers? He's been pretty much the same as Eto'o and miles better than Ba this season.

I didn't say there aren't positive comments, but the comments I'm talking about are not criticism, they are just pointless bashing and putting down of players that should not exist at all.

Oh dude. I specifically said this about torres

he has been decent this season but considering the fact that people have lost all faith and belief in him after his game after game of shit performances, who can blame them.

Yet u ask how he has underperformed!!!???

Also read the recent argument bout luiz. TOPTB who u woukd say is slating luiz admits that luiz hss all the qualities for a WC defender except for the mental one. Which I totally twnd to agree. All people are sayong is thay luiz can be sold. Specially since he is our 3rd CHOICEE CB who is not really dependable but heay have a markwt value of 25-35mil. If the right offer comes, he will be sold. Very similar to mata. Dont see anythong wrong with it.

With mikel people do tend to go over board. Admitted. They tend to blame all of their life's prob on him for some reason.

As for rambo, he has been a bit out of form latelt hence the criticism. But don't think anyone ezcept for batbara or lechels goes overboard in that.

[The only place to be 11,313]

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

It's balanced out by the amount of love for players like Hazard, Azpi, JT, Cahill, Matic, Willian, Oscar (earlier in the season), Schurrle recently....

It's just the way our supporters are. If you're performing then you get love and if you're not then you get stick. Ramires will never get the type of stick that Mikel does because he always puts in a shift. His criticisms are based on his intelligence and his skill with the ball.

Luiz and Mikel frustrate more than any other players because they have all the technical and physical skills you need but lack the mental side, whatever you want to call it. Character?

Now Torres....here is a tragic figure. Whatever he had that made him one of the best strikers this league has ever seen, disappeared. Maybe he was robbed through injury, maybe it's just the worst psychological blow that I can remember a sportsman suffering except for maybe Tiger Woods post-affairs.

But I will simply never understand the level of hate directed at him by certain members on here, and that's why he'll get defended more than most would (going off on a tangent here but I feel it needs to be said). Maybe we're giving him a longer leash because of how much he cost and who we signed him from, maybe it's just denial. But I simply can't look at Torres decline as a footballer without thinking it's one of the great tragedies of recent sporting times. I've lost patience with the situation before, but I honestly don't think it's his fault to the extent that I wish to continually pummel the guy. The same goes for Eto'o. I don't hate the guy because he's not the pacy, powerful striker he once was. He's older now (we'll stick to him being 32) so of course he's slower. I dislike the fact he went to Russia for a paycheque and the fact we signed him, but he seems to put everything into his performances and that's all you can ask for.

Like I said it's not a response to you Choulo but at some point certain people need to lay off Torres. We all know he isn't a top striker anymore, and he probably knows it better than anyone so why keep giving him the dogs' abuse?

[zolayes 14,489]

not getting into this dicsussion ,,, merely stating the day Torres leaves I will celebrate

[Las7 951]

Like I said it's not a response to you Choulo but at some point certain people need to lay off Torres. We all know he isn't a top striker anymore, and he probably knows it better than anyone so why keep giving him the dogs' abuse?

I will tell you my personal reason for that. The Torres defenders(fanboys) have berated other players; playing in a similar position - just visit Eto'o and Ba's threads and listen to the type of posts being made about them; you could look at Sturridge's thread in the past; even Drogba was catching a lot of flack before our run to the Final in Munich.

You reap what you sow

[The only place to be 11,313]

I will tell you my personal reason for that. The Torres defenders(fanboys)

I've actually stopped reading your post to point out that this is massively unfair. Labelling people as 'fanboys' is one of the more pathetic things to do. Fingers crossed the rest of your post is a bit more mature.

have berated other players; playing in a similar position - just visit Eto'o and Ba's threads and listen to the type of posts being made about them; you could look at Sturridge's thread in the past; even Drogba was catching a lot of flack before our run to the Final in Munich.

You reap what you sow

I'm confused....are you upset with Torres or the people who defend Torres and then en masse attack other players (because apparently that's what they all do)?

Who is reaping what who has sewn? Torres or the people who defend Torres?

I can't defend all of the comments made about these players but I just think at some point it would become boring to continually criticise the guy when he's clearly deserving sympathy more than anything else. He didn't choose to lose whatever it was that made him special. He didn't choose to cost £50 million and he didn't force us to pay him whatever he makes a week.

Maybe there's just something I don't understand about the mentality of certain types of individual.

[Eligius 121]

The decline of Fernando began at Liverpool, not at Chelsea...

Cant expect someone who peaked early to have a long career at his level/standards.

Fans just need to accept his decline and move forward with the situation.

[Las7 951]

I've actually stopped reading your post to point out that this is massively unfair. Labelling people as 'fanboys' is one of the more pathetic things to do. Fingers crossed the rest of your post is a bit more mature.

I'm confused....are you upset with Torres or the people who defend Torres and then en masse attack other players (because apparently that's what they all do)?

Who is reaping what who has sewn? Torres or the people who defend Torres?

I can't defend all of the comments made about these players but I just think at some point it would become boring to continually criticise the guy when he's clearly deserving sympathy more than anything else. He didn't choose to lose whatever it was that made him special. He didn't choose to cost £50 million and he didn't force us to pay him whatever he makes a week.

Maybe there's just something I don't understand about the mentality of certain types of individual.

1) Tell me what posters like Backstreet were - football fans or Torres fanboys. It's posters like Backstreet that made me dislike Torres more than his failure in a blue shirt. You would be hard pressed to find things I've said about another Chelsea player which were not objective.

2) Torres is a professional footballer being paid 175k p/w what is written about him on a forum doesn't mean a thing to him. I've never said I dislike him as a person, I think he is just the worse example of player power at the club and also the worst example of how our board are willing to torpedo our own season for the sake of getting something out of a monumental mistake they have made in the transfer market.

3) People who defend Torres while berating other players. I made that pretty clear in my post.

4) People continuously criticize a lot of players - even if we were winning all our matches I'm sure there would have been people still moaning about something. Torres is not blameless - he made a demand to the board after our CL win and our board were more than happy to indulge him despite the obvious pitfalls of that decision.

[The only place to be 11,313]

1) Tell me what posters like Backstreet were - football fans or Torres fanboys. It's posters like Backstreet that made me dislike Torres more than his failure in a blue shirt. You would be hard pressed to find things I've said about another Chelsea player which were not objective.

2) Torres is a professional footballer being paid 175k p/w what is written about him on a forum doesn't mean a thing to him. I've never said I dislike him as a person, I think he is just the worse example of player power at the club and also the worst example of how our board are willing to torpedo our own season for the sake of getting something out of a monumental mistake they have made in the transfer market.

3) People who defend Torres while berating other players. I made that pretty clear in my post.

4) People continuously criticize a lot of players - even if we were winning all our matches I'm sure there would have been people still moaning about something. Torres is not blameless - he made a demand to the board after our CL win and our board were more than happy to indulge him despite the obvious pitfalls of that decision.

1. He was an idiot. R.I.P.

2. He didn't ask to be paid that much though. It kinda comes with the territory of being a £50 million footballer. The whole thing is showbusiness, so I suppose a bit of pantomime is to be expected.

3. I'll defend Torres to a certain extent and moan about other players, but that's because you hold players to different standards. I genuinely think he's trying to be the best footballer he can be but he's just lost that X factor he once had. Ramires is in a similar situation - he tries his hardest but he's technically limited. It's players like Luiz and Mikel who are the most frustrating because they have potential but seem to lack the concentration or will to be the best they can be.

4. I always felt it was tough for him to come into a club that already had an established striker like Didier who was such a presence. That was good in some ways but in terms of building for the future it probably left us at a slight disadvantage. That to me is the board's fault though, not Torres's.

The whole Torres transfer was a mess, but fortunately it's something that we simply don't do anymore. Yes he's still here but we're run differently and that's why it's important to look to the future. But I think that Torres gets far too much of the blame for the mistakes of our board.

[Yeboii 1,844]

Then what's the point of trying to hide what he did for the team?

And that makes it okay to discredit what he has done for the team? Torres has been a regular in our team for over three years so he obviously played a part in our success in that time. I think it's time to let go of the bitterness we have from the disappointment of his transfer fee and how that turned out and start getting behind the player that plays for our team.

And it's not just Torres, take a look through the players section and you'd think we're battling relegation in League Two. And I'm not talking about normal criticism, it is just endless stick that almost all of our players get from our own supporters. Torres is utter shit, Ramires should not even be playing in the championship, Luiz should just quit football and make a living as a party entertainer, Eto'o is 39, Mikel is at fault for every thing that goes wrong with the team, Cech is error prone and past it....etc.

You'd think this an anti-Chelsea forum!

This is clearly not an anti-Chelsea forum! You can tell by how the users stick for Chelsea itself instead of the players (most of them at least). Players who are playing well get a praise because they are doing good for Chelsea. We then talk about how annoying some bad players in Chelsea are since they are doing bad for Chelsea. Most of us want whats best for Chelsea, and not the players.