Kinol 337 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Stop talking about his attitude, work rate etc. Torres is simply bad and shouldnt play in a top club like Chelsea and thats what ive been trying too tell you guys all the time. I dont care if Torres runs freaking 50 km in a game. He still sucks and has lost everything that defines a good striker. And stop complaining on the midfielders. Almost all teams sit back on us so giving through balls isnt really the easiest thing to do. If torres wants through balls he first have to get out through the exit door, cuz he wont get it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Will you dare to say he's been provided loads of tap-ins for months? Of course not, Torres hasn't been in the pen area for months now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Why has he been leaving his focal point position? Every strikers does that when he doesn't receive the ball...Sometimes he seemed to fear to enter into it, that's understandable considering he's received one of the worse mediatic treatment ever in Premier League. But there's plenty other games where he weren't in position to receive the ball, why then he decided to drop back logicallyYou are probably right, but as I said in my previous post, discussing 'Why' really isn't getting us anywhere especially that the reasons differ from one game to another since in one match he is guilty of bad finishing and not making an effort and in the next he works his ass off but doesn't get passes. What I think is becoming obvious however is that it is probably best for both the club and him if he moves on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdrog 18 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 many counter attacks against juve were fucked up because of Torres's incompetence....We made a big mistake by not signing a quality striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I havent watched the QPR and Juve games so far That explains A LOT . Torres from QPR and Juve was practically the same one from the back end of 2010-11 (yes that bad!) which got everyone's hope deflated yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOSS 372 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Its good to see that almost all Chelsea fans in this forum agree with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I wonder how many games has Falcao played in the same 1 month.So, Fernando's not getting good service and now he's also tired. I wonder how far can you people go for a guy who has done NOTHING for this club. Manuf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 My remark is stupid? Fuck off, then. Almost the whole fucking forum agrees that Torres is pure shit and you and a few others are still trying to prove that he is a great player who has the bad luck to play along with 10 shitty men. chelseathebest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I noticed some things that make torres look bad.Torres doesnt have a style of play. He plays in the wings today, he stands in the front without moving tomorow, he tries to dribble through 3 defenders and loses the ball instead of just passing in the next match.Watch falcao, This is his style of play.1. he comes deep to recieve the pass, passes it, then makes a run foward for the through pass or cross2. He could also stand with the defender raise his hands just up for the midfielder to give him the through ball and start making a run for the pass. (even when the midfielder doesnt give he doesnt just dissapear but tries again)3. When he is marked he pulls the defenders away and PASSES THE BALL TO THE WINGER OR MIDFIELDER and runs back incase of a one two.DilemmaThe last time i remember torres making a run to recieve a pass is against newcastle and hazard passed to him. If you were a midfielder you will have no idea how to play with torres because he doesnt have a particular style of play.He used to make runs in liverpool and gerrad finds him with long balls but now he just stands straight. Only big strikers like Drogba and Ibrahimovic should stand straight and recieve ball since they are big enough to not fall down all the time like torres Smaller strikers like tevez, aguero and villa pass back to the midfielder quickly and run foward incase of a one-two pass.Solution1. Torres should hold the ball to his feet and pass instead of trying to dribble and looking for the foul. 2. I hope oscar has taught torres how to shoot without looking at the goal just like drogba (torres is a freakin striker SHOOOOT)3. Torres should pass when surrounded by three players instead of trying to do everything on his own He loses the ball more than anybody in chelsea(sometimes because of peter cech) he is starting to look like suarez in my eyes. 4. Torres must make runs or he will score less than 20 goals fact.5. Torres should scream or point(like villa) to the midfielder where he wants the ball to be played instead of just hoping they can read his mind 6. Peter cech should stop hoofing the ball in the air for torres, he is no drogba he cant win any ball in the air against any defender thats why chelsea dont score with headers again.Sigh....He played against three centre halves last night. Our wingers played way to narrow which left him no room to work in. Hence his movement into the channels. He was poor against QPR, but he has played well this season. I expect things to get better when RDM finally realises that Ramirez is no winger. Marin and Moses are going to offer better width, pulling defenders out of position and providing some channels to work in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 He has always been crap to control the ball (Atletico, Liverpool...), what always made the difference has been the ability to be explosive enough to keep the ball under control. If you want to make up such threads full of bullshit, at least try to be accurate on the few points who can beI don't get the point of this topic by the way. Since he's at Chelsea he's getting an weird, inconsisistent, crap... (call that whatever you want) service. He tried to adapt his game to it by playing lay backs on the width, being unselfish to create chances... Pretending everything is perfect behind him (I guess that's the point of people not even mentionning how horrendous is the attacking animation) is just fucking hypocritical. I don't know about you all but when I get up I use to look at myself in a mirror. I've no crush or anything for Torres, I just refuse to fall into stupid conclusions especially when he's not the main problem. That shall be simplier just to say he's weak, no character or other stupid stuffThat doesn't prevent me to criticize him with his choices on the ball when he's in form, when he tries something too complicated , when he tries to force that choice. He's not above the team.I'm fed up of all those superficial criticisms ; just now and after one and a half year people, blogs, pundits etc... start to notice how useless are Mata, Sturridge defensively. Whereas it has been one of the main problem on this same length of time (and not Mikel, Torres, Lampard or whoever...)This.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinol 337 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I'm going to answer to several messages after dinner lolCan you just look at the stat just after and try to wonder if there's something wrong.Torres has been provided 11 !!! clear cut chances on the whole last season, compared to 42 Arsenal provided to Van Pussy. Swansea who featured the most isolated striker (statistically) in Europe but still provided 22 clear cut chances to Danny Graham.Have you guys never asked yourself that it Torres bad positioning etc might be the answear why he doesnt get as many chances.And why has Torres gone from being a starter into bench player for spains national team these last seasons while they havent had any other strikers? Why has he been bad when he has played? Just stop with these "he doesnt get any service posts". Its over. Torres is finito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Most assist's last year child.Yes, yes it is,Because sturridge is shite as well,Thats just retarded.Only technically, their completely difference players, playing in completely different sides, drogba only scored 5 goals last year btw, torres already has 3, Drogba is my hero but he couldnt get a ball last year from the midfield either and had less assist's,Go back to playing fifa you dont understand the game.Agree with all of this, people have rose tinted glasses. Forget how woeful out midfield was last year. That we are still very narrow in midfield and are just getting used to a new style of play.As for the guy who said "I've played soccer", Jesus no disrespect but it's called football, what lvl of soccer are you playing? International? Sunday league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 please dont compare Torres to Crouch and Zamora! its one thing scoring for Stoke or Qpr and completely another thing scoring for Chelsea where teams park the bus and have extra motivation to beat us, plus the fact Torres is a big name in world football so defenders who play against him will always try to put in one of their best performances of their life against him, completely different to what Crouch and Zamora have to deal with.That's just nonsense and goes to show how ridiculous the pro-Torres stuff has gotten. It's harder to score for Chelsea than it is to score for Stoke? Then why did Chelsea have 12 more goals than Stoke last season? 23 more goals the season before that? Stoke doesn't have any creative players. And defenders try harder against Chelsea? That's just idiotic. Teams don't try hard against Man City, Man U, Arsenal, Spurs? Nope. They only care about Chelsea. They only play defensively against Chelsea. The entire gameplan of every single team when it comes to Chelsea is to stop Fernando Torres. I can't even begin to say how ridiculous this is. 9 goals in 50 games is unforgivably atrocious. Amblève., Las7, Cosmin and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 In case of Sturridge injury, we should try Hazard as false nb 9.A kind of this :----- Hazard -----Mata - Oscar - MosesThat's may be the reason why lukaku was loaned and we didn't buy another striker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I'm going to answer to several messages after dinner lolCan you just look at the stat just after and try to wonder if there's something wrong.Torres has been provided 11 !!! clear cut chances on the whole last season, compared to 42 Arsenal provided to Van Pussy. Swansea who featured the most isolated striker (statistically) in Europe but still provided 22 clear cut chances to Danny Graham.BOOM!!! Well played sir.... Wish you would stop with all these valid arguments based on supporting stats. There is no room for them on a football forum. I prefer the rantings of ravings, of people who only see what they want to see (or read the tag papers). ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 In case of Sturridge injury, we should try Hazard as false nb 9.A kind of this :----- Hazard -----Mata - Oscar - MosesThat's may be the reason why lukaku was loaned and we didn't buy another striker...It'd probably work amazingly well, but I wonder if Hazard or Mata would be better as a false 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Unfortunately, I don't think that RDM has the balls to drop Fernando on the bench for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 That explains A LOT . Torres from QPR and Juve was practically the same one from the back end of 2010-11 (yes that bad!) which got everyone's hope deflated yet again.To be fair Torres was poor at QPR (he was fine last night against the best defence in Serie A, yes all three on his own)..... BUT who the hell wasn't, they bossed us in midfield which is a disgrace given the talent we have available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 It'd probably work amazingly well, but I wonder if Hazard or Mata would be better as a false 9.This is a nice article from we aint got no history explaining a bit this position : http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2012/9/5/3290858/de-bruyne-hazard-false-nine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary gordon 1,777 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I'm just gonna say he's lazy.. Thats all. The potential is their but he only turns up when he wants to. If you could re-clone Drogba at age 25 i would trade Torres and pay another 50 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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