LAM09 7,056 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Basel might be playing a weaken City side but look at them taking the game to them and having joy. Makes our performance even more pathetic Alabama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, LAM09 said: Basel might be playing a weaken City side but look at them taking the game to them and having joy. Makes our performance even more pathetic makes me wanna punch Conte for that post match comments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, manpe said: How do these teams keep possession so well even in most difficult situations? I don't get it, if it was us Courtois would have lumped 10 long balls by now because we can't stand any kind of pressure. Same thing with Mourinho's Chelsea. In truth we've always been awful at building from the back. These teams have managers that can coach how to beat a high press by passing out from the back. Right now we have Rudiger, Christensen and Azpilicueta. No excuse in Conte's inability to be able to coach this team to adequately pass out from the back. We also need another deep lying playmaker to help Fabregas make it easier to beat the press when he drops deep with the centre backs to try and make forward passes. Fabregas is our only playmaking midfielder capable of seeing the pitch and making quick incisive passes. But he's slow and susceptible to the high press of coaches like Guardiola, Pochettino and Klopp. But the coaching aspect comes before the personnel aspect in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Same thing with Mourinho's Chelsea. In truth we've always been awful at building from the back. These teams have managers that can coach how to beat a high press by passing out from the back. Right now we have Rudiger, Christensen and Azpilicueta. No excuse in Conte's inability to be able to coach this team to adequately pass out from the back. We also need another deep lying playmaker to help Fabregas make it easier to beat the press when he drops deep with the centre backs to try and make forward passes. Fabregas is our only playmaking midfielder capable of seeing the pitch and making quick incisive passes. But he's slow and susceptible to the high press of coaches like Guardiola, Pochettino and Klopp. But the coaching aspect comes before the personnel aspect in my opinion. We are actually quite good coming out from the back, definitely better than anything we saw under Mourinho. This difference was the first thing I noticed with Conte's arrival. The problem arises once we get to midfield, due to lack of quality or coaching or whatever reasons, we hit a wall or make a simple mistake and have to face pressure again. We simply don't have the midfield to connect our back to front fluidly. Fabregas is not mobile enough, he's one of the bottlenecks in our midfield. Kante absolutely needs a completely different partner than anything we can currently offer.Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, manpe said: How do these teams keep possession so well even in most difficult situations? I don't get it, if it was us Courtois would have lumped 10 long balls by now because we can't stand any kind of pressure. It's not even just about keeping possession when under pressure, which we are rubbish at as pointed above, but also the pressing. I mean look at Spurs v Juventus. The latter have been piss poor but Spurs haven't allowed them to settle into any rhythm with proper, cohesive pressing. If it was us, we would have sat off them and give them all the time in the world to pass the ball around. We are always more reactive than proactive in such matches and it's quite annoying and infuriating that others often take the latter approach and do it well while we don't. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrExcalibur100 7,124 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, manpe said: We are actually quite good coming out from the back, definitely better than anything we saw under Mourinho. This difference was the first thing I noticed with Conte's arrival. The problem arises once we get to midfield, due to lack of quality or coaching or whatever reasons, we hit a wall or make a simple mistake and have to face pressure again. We simply don't have the midfield to connect our back to front fluidly. Fabregas is not mobile enough, he's one of the bottlenecks in our midfield. Kante absolutely needs a completely different partner than anything we can currently offer. Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk I disagree, we're horrendous. Notice this is concerning the big games only. So against teams like Spurs, Liverpool and City we can't pass out from the back. In some of these games in the past we basically by-passed midfield by thumping it up to our striker. We did that against Liverpool earlier this season. We did the same against Spurs. We could barely string passes together from the back against City in both games. Last season was the same as well. We made a comedy of errors trying to pass from the back in our 3-1 win at the Etihad. We are a bit better under Conte than Mourinho because he at least considers that aspect of the game. It's just that like Mourinho he does a terrible job at it against equally skilled teams when it actually matters the most. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekinjo 449 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 When you are building your team, for a couple of years, around one coach in a stable environment you can play your best football against any opponent. I’m actually envy Tottenham. How in the world they managed to be such a stable and actually successful, a CL club currently playing in front of 90 000 home fans at Wembley, teaching football Juventus who was 2 times a CL finalists in last 3 years. Every player is signed for the right position and tactically perfect for the coach and football they are playing for years. Even if they lose they will be a success. I don’t know if people realize how big they become and they are constantly growing unlike Chelsea FC who looks like a club from pre Abramovich era. Tottenham is and soon enough will be such a good football story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alabama 1,992 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, zekinjo said: When you are building your team, for a couple of years, around one coach in a stable environment you can play your best football against any opponent. I’m actually envy Tottenham. How in the world they managed to be such a stable and actually successful, a CL club currently playing in front of 90 000 home fans at Wembley, teaching football Juventus who was 2 times a CL finalists in last 3 years. Every player is signed for the right position and tactically perfect for the coach and football they are playing for years. Even if they lose they will be a success. I don’t know if people realize how big they become and they are constantly growing unlike Chelsea FC who looks like a club from pre Abramovich era. Tottenham is and soon enough will be such a good football story. even without trophy?....u can envy their style of football but without silverware...they are nothing...soon they will loose some of their quality players... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, zekinjo said: When you are building your team, for a couple of years, around one coach in a stable environment you can play your best football against any opponent. I’m actually envy Tottenham. How in the world they managed to be such a stable and actually successful, a CL club currently playing in front of 90 000 home fans at Wembley, teaching football Juventus who was 2 times a CL finalists in last 3 years. Every player is signed for the right position and tactically perfect for the coach and football they are playing for years. Even if they lose they will be a success. I don’t know if people realize how big they become and they are constantly growing unlike Chelsea FC who looks like a club from pre Abramovich era. Tottenham is and soon enough will be such a good football story. Are you hungry mate because I think you should eat your words. Tottenham are fuck all and their fans are dyed in the wool fucking mugs. I posted in another topic how one of their fans rang up a phone in saying they were going to win the Champions League laugh I nearly bought my own beer. Fulham Broadway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfcs most wanted 657 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 This is the problem with having no experience in the team, they will hopefully fall away in the premier league as well, because this loss would stick on their minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 This thread has taken quite a turn it has to be said. 11Drogba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,316 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 However bad our season is, it's nights like tonight that keep the football spirits up. Well done Poch cheered me right up Iggy Doonican and 11Drogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I hope Juve clinch the whole thing. They showed quite some some spirit, their old guard deserves it. Fuck Real, Bayern and Barca and hopefully City characteristically choke. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, manpe said: I hope Juve clinch the whole thing. They showed quite some some spirit, their old guard deserves it. Fuck Real, Bayern and Barca and hopefully City characteristically choke. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Exactly my thoughts too. I have always had a soft spot for Juve. Watching Del Piero and Nedved growing up. I was always Del Piero in the school playground. If we go out, which is highly possible then I too will root for the Italians to win it. P.S. Alegri made some brilliant subs to turn that game around. manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 The pundits lauded Spurs last before kick off saying they were a big club and that they are building special things, straight after the game they all felt sorry for them and talked about how they are a little bamby who will only get better. Like PSG the night previous, a harsh learning curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekinjo 449 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Iggy Doonican said: Are you hungry mate because I think you should eat your words. Tottenham are fuck all and their fans are dyed in the wool fucking mugs. I posted in another topic how one of their fans rang up a phone in saying they were going to win the Champions League laugh I nearly bought my own beer. Oh dear... I think you should read again because I have never said they will win the CL. I was thinking about the bigger picture, something similar to Atletico Madrid story. Once solid but mostly average Spanish football team (at the time) who managed in the last 8-9 years to skip that level from EL at best to the very top CL football club, now is playing on regular basis at highest level in one of the most beautiful stadiums in the world. They (Tottenham) are not building a brand new + 60 000 seats stadium for playing in EL or watching other teams winning domestic titles. All I'm saying is they (Tottenham) are growing fast in one healthy environment with so much potential. It's simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 hours ago, zekinjo said: Oh dear... I think you should read again because I have never said they will win the CL. I was thinking about the bigger picture, something similar to Atletico Madrid story. Once solid but mostly average Spanish football team (at the time) who managed in the last 8-9 years to skip that level from EL at best to the very top CL football club, now is playing on regular basis at highest level in one of the most beautiful stadiums in the world. They (Tottenham) are not building a brand new + 60 000 seats stadium for playing in EL or watching other teams winning domestic titles. All I'm saying is they (Tottenham) are growing fast in one healthy environment with so much potential. It's simple as that. Yes, Spurs have the potential but how long more can people play that up? For years, people have been talking about Spurs having the potential, building something good, being one of the best English sides but what do they have to show for all that? Nothing. No Premier League title. No Champions League title. Not even the FA Cup or League Cup. Just some good results in Europe and putting the pressure on in the league. There's really no point if you have the quality but don't back it up with trophy(ies), even with one of the domestic cups. This Spurs team is on borrowed time. If they don't win something real soon, it won't take long for their big players to leave (Walker chose to leave them last summer and has already won 2 trophies. might even end up with 3!) and hell, Pochettino might even be tempted to leave if one of the bigger clubs come calling. kmk108 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 9:48 AM, zekinjo said: Oh dear... I think you should read again because I have never said they will win the CL. I never said you did I said someone rang up a phone in saying that Spurs would win the Champions League. Your vastly overestimating Spurs a couple of good seasons and a new ground does not make them a potential dominant force in European or even English football. Just look at Newcastle a couple of good seasons in the mid 90's get 52,000 every week yet they are perennial strugglers. bigbluewillie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 On 3/8/2018 at 0:53 AM, manpe said: I hope Juve clinch the whole thing. They showed quite some some spirit, their old guard deserves it. Fuck Real, Bayern and Barca and hopefully City characteristically choke. Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk Too soon. We are still in it. kmk108 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbluewillie 1,930 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 On 3/7/2018 at 9:06 PM, zekinjo said: When you are building your team, for a couple of years, around one coach in a stable environment you can play your best football against any opponent. I’m actually envy Tottenham. How in the world they managed to be such a stable and actually successful, a CL club currently playing in front of 90 000 home fans at Wembley, teaching football Juventus who was 2 times a CL finalists in last 3 years. Every player is signed for the right position and tactically perfect for the coach and football they are playing for years. Even if they lose they will be a success. I don’t know if people realize how big they become and they are constantly growing unlike Chelsea FC who looks like a club from pre Abramovich era. Tottenham is and soon enough will be such a good football story. Pray tell me where Spuds have been successful? they've won fuck all. Yes they play lovely football, but that's about it. Oh and they were 3-2 up against Juve and fucked it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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