Jackson Martinez

[Essien19 1,415]

42 fucking milion euros. From where the fuck those clubs have so much money?

 

And when you think about all of those poor Chinese people starving... Smh... What this world has come to. 

Same could be said about Russia!

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, Cosmin said:

 

And when you think about all of those poor Chinese people starving... Smh... What this world has come to. 

Until the recent stock troubles, and even with it, China has been on a steep rise.

 

The 20th century belonged to the USA

The 21st will most certainly be Chinas.

 

Good move for Jackson.  30 years old, and a big pay day coming after being "meh" in Spain.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

29 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Until the recent stock troubles, and even with it, China has been on a steep rise.

 

The 20th century belonged to the USA

The 21st will most certainly be Chinas.

 

Good move for Jackson.  30 years old, and a big pay day coming after being "meh" in Spain.

He is 29 by the way

 

 

[Fernando 6,491]

Well if China is buying then let's hope we can sell more players to them.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

3 hours ago, Cosmin said:

 

And when you think about all of those poor Chinese people starving... Smh... What this world has come to. 

 

Are you serious? Your own club is being sponsored by a Russian oligarch/mobster (probably :p). I know several people who left Russia for China to teach English, making three times the money they would have made at home.

This said, the fact they can get a player in his prime for that money is kinda scary. That league is complete shit, so I thought they would only be able to get the 36 year olds wanting some quick cash before their retirement. 

Also, there's a big difference between the Chinese countryside and the major cities. Shanghai & Beijing (the two main ones I've visited) are basically first world cities (with lots of poverty hid away between the skyscrapers, but without any real slums you'd see in India for example). The city centres look awesome. Hong Kong on the other hand is one of the richest cities on the planet. They have less poverty than we do. 

[Cosmin 2,484]

1 minute ago, johnnythefirst said:

 

Are you serious? Your own club is being sponsored by a Russian oligarch/mobster (probably :p). I know several people who left Russia for China to teach English, making three times the money they would have made at home.

 

How is Abramovich's example relevant here? 

Well, good for them, but poverty is still a big issue in China. They might have a strong economy, but their political regime doesn't really give too much opportunities to average people. That's why their workforce is so cheap and huge companies exploit people there. A lot of Chinese people really are starving. That's a fact. And now they decide to invest huge amounts of money in a sport that they don't know anything about, in a sport that they don't have tradition in. It would've been understandable to invest in gymnastics, for example. But football? In China? It's really weird. 

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

1 minute ago, Cosmin said:

 

How is Abramovich's example relevant here? 

Well, good for them, but poverty is still a big issue in China. They might have a strong economy, but their political regime doesn't really give too much opportunities to average people. That's why their workforce is so cheap and huge companies exploit people there. A lot of Chinese people really are starving. That's a fact. And now they decide to invest huge amounts of money in a sport that they don't know anything about, in a sport that they don't have tradition in. It would've been understandable to invest in gymnastics, for example. But football? In China? It's really weird. 

 

I was just mentioning the situation in Russia is almost identical. Yes, the lowest of the lowest labour might be less cheap ok, but poverty is a very real thing in Mother Russia as well. Why should English teams be able to spend 50 million on a player but not Chinese clubs? They could have fed a lot of hungry stomachs with the KDB transfer fee as well. It's a complete non argument. 

[Spike 12,049]

If anyone is interested in the sporting culture of China read 'Mao's Last Dancer' by Li Cunxin - a Chinese-Austrlaian ballet dancer that fled China to Australian. You may be thinking: "Ballet? Piss off, Spike you mad bastard". Some of the ordeals he went through, physical and emotional hardship to be the best ballet dancer he could makes athletes look like pansies. As a teenager I was fortunate enough to hear a lecture given by him in Brisbane, the emotion carried in his words were phenomenal.

[Cosmin 2,484]

Just now, johnnythefirst said:

 

I was just mentioning the situation in Russia is almost identical. Yes, the lowest of the lowest labour might be less cheap ok, but poverty is a very real thing in Mother Russia as well. Why should English teams be able to spend 50 million on a player but not Chinese clubs? They could have fed a lot of hungry stomachs with the KDB transfer fee as well. It's a complete non argument. 

 

Because:

1. Poverty is not a big problem in England.

2. England invented football, basically. Chinese people probably don't give a damn about it, in general.

3. If the situation in Russia is identical, it doesn't make it right.

Of course, these outrageous amounts of money invested in football are a huge general problem, but at least in some contries they are somehow justified as they generate entertainment for people. English people love football, German people love football, Spanish people love football. Chinese people? 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

He is 29 by the way

 

 

 

Chinese new year is next week

[Spike 12,049]

5 minutes ago, johnnythefirst said:

 

I was just mentioning the situation in Russia is almost identical. Yes, the lowest of the lowest labour might be less cheap ok, but poverty is a very real thing in Mother Russia as well. Why should English teams be able to spend 50 million on a player but not Chinese clubs? They could have fed a lot of hungry stomachs with the KDB transfer fee as well. It's a complete non argument. 

According to these sources. China has about 82,000,000 living in poverty, Russian 22,000,000 and England 13,000,000.

China's population is 1,357,000,000 so that is 6% living in poverty

Russia's population is 143,000,000 so that is 15% living in poverty.

England's population is 53,000,000 so that is 24.5% living in poverty. 

This raises the question: which country defines it's poverty the lowest and which country defines their line the highest? I'd wager the people living in poverty in England have more food, clothing and shelter than those living in Russia and China. 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-cost-living-13-million-people-now-poverty-warns-joseph-rowntree-foundation-1476278

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-more-82-million-people-live-below-poverty-line-1470313

http://www.ibtimes.com/russians-living-poverty-rise-nearly-22m-amid-inflation-falling-wages-2090650

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

46 minutes ago, Cosmin said:

 

Because:

1. Poverty is not a big problem in England.

2. England invented football, basically. Chinese people probably don't give a damn about it, in general.

3. If the situation in Russia is identical, it doesn't make it right.

Of course, these outrageous amounts of money invested in football are a huge general problem, but at least in some contries they are somehow justified as they generate entertainment for people. English people love football, German people love football, Spanish people love football. Chinese people? 

 

The British Empire got rich by sucking all the wealth out of half of the rest of the world. Same goes for the Belgians btw. So yeaaaaaaah, poverty might not be a problem here (I don't agree with that statement btw), but we sure helped keeping Africa and half of Asia poor.

Also, every PL match gets broadcasted in China, they're crazy about it, they just don't have a decent league. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

6 minutes ago, johnnythefirst said:

 

The British Empire got rich by sucking all the wealth out of half of the rest of the world. Same goes for the Belgians btw. So yeaaaaaaah, poverty might not be a problem here (I don't agree with that statement btw), but we sure helped keeping Africa and half of Asia poor.

Also, every PL match gets broadcasted in China, they're crazy about it, they just don't have a decent league. 

 

Ramires coming to save the chinese league

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Also, and then I'll shut up again: poverty is a worldwide problem. It's our responsibility as well. This is obviously coming from someone who thinks nationalism is an idiotic sentiment (well, it's okay during the world cup but that's about it).

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Oh man, though he was going to set the world alight.

Simeone has short patience with the big names huh? Mandzukic didn't last that much longer than Martinez.

[kiwi1691 255]

19 hours ago, Essien19 said:

Same could be said about Russia!

Not really, Russia is much richer per capita than China.

 

 

[kiwi1691 255]

16 hours ago, Spike said:

According to these sources. China has about 82,000,000 living in poverty, Russian 22,000,000 and England 13,000,000.

China's population is 1,357,000,000 so that is 6% living in poverty

Russia's population is 143,000,000 so that is 15% living in poverty.

England's population is 53,000,000 so that is 24.5% living in poverty. 

This raises the question: which country defines it's poverty the lowest and which country defines their line the highest? I'd wager the people living in poverty in England have more food, clothing and shelter than those living in Russia and China. 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-cost-living-13-million-people-now-poverty-warns-joseph-rowntree-foundation-1476278

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-more-82-million-people-live-below-poverty-line-1470313

http://www.ibtimes.com/russians-living-poverty-rise-nearly-22m-amid-inflation-falling-wages-2090650

You are confusing retaliative poverty, and absolute poverty. There is absolute poverty in China, there is no absolute poverty in the UK. Relative poverty is an utterly useless metric.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

25 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

You are confusing retaliative poverty, and absolute poverty. There is absolute poverty in China, there is no absolute poverty in the UK. Relative poverty is an utterly useless metric.

There is absolute poverty in every city in the world. Check your local train station at night, for a start.