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[Hutcho 8,443]

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Lets be honest... he would be a beast, though i would play him at CB.

Also, that picture is so funny, earl boykins 5ft 5 130lbs, the shaq 7ft 1, 330 lbs.

And thats nothing...

Bougues 5ft 3, and Bol 7ft 7

[Las7 951]

Lets be honest... he would be a beast, though i would play him at CB.

Also, that picture is so funny, earl boykins 5ft 5 130lbs, the shaq 7ft 1, 330 lbs.

Nah, he'd have to run too much as a CB I reckon Shaq could have easily been the player to fire Stoke to their first ever CL title

[Hutcho 8,443]

Nah, he'd have to run too much as a CB I reckon Shaq could have easily been the player to fire Stoke to their first ever CL title

Lol, but back on topic, i think if you ask a man u fan who would they prefer to see up top i would think they would prefer to see torres.

[didierforever 7,349]

Nah, he'd have to run too much as a CB I reckon Shaq could have easily been the player to fire Stoke to their first ever CL title

chill dude. got your point (but it was your fault to be drawn into an argument with torres fans, we all know how that goes).

[Las7 951]

Lol, but back on topic, i think if you ask a man u fan who would they prefer to see up top i would think they would prefer to see torres.

I don't get the impression from redcafe that they watch too many of our games - I think they don't even think there is a remote chance of Sturridge playing and they all rate Welbeck higher than Sturridge anyway. So in the off chance that Sturridge starts they are going to celebrate cause they all remember the Torres that used to take the mickey out of Vidic a few years back.

[Hutcho 8,443]

I don't get the impression from redcafe that they watch too many of our games - I think they don't even think there is a remote chance of Sturridge playing and they all rate Welbeck higher than Sturridge anyway. So in the off chance that Sturridge starts they are going to celebrate cause they all remember the Torres that used to take the mickey out of Vidic a few years back.

Yeah that is a good point... I could well be wrong on that one. Though there arn't many of us who truly believe anyone other than torres will start at ST.

[themightyblue 443]

The one thing I don't get about this Sturridge vs Torres debate is that people call for Sturridge to be number 1 striker on the basis of nothing. As things stand Torres deserves to be number 1 for the fact he's been playing this season, grabbed a few goals and linked up well with the trio behind him. Rather than make outlandish and baseless claims, we should wait and see what Sturridge can do as a CF and then make comparisons and judge.

ONTO THE GAME

I really get the feeling that Fergie is going to go with the Diamond formation as he has an on form Hernandez, RVP and Rooney and this will play into our hands as Carrick will most likely be the base of that diamond and Rooney the tip. Using Ramires and Oscar, we could really shut them out of the game and nullify the United threat. If Fergie went for his traditional wing play, then we could struggle, although it means more space in the middle for us

[didierforever 7,349]

we should wait and see what Sturridge can do as a CF and then make comparisons and judge.

WHEN?????

[Las7 951]

The one thing I don't get about this Sturridge vs Torres debate is that people call for Sturridge to be number 1 striker on the basis of nothing. As things stand Torres deserves to be number 1 for the fact he's been playing this season, grabbed a few goals and linked up well with the trio behind him. Rather than make outlandish and baseless claims, we should wait and see what Sturridge can do as a CF and then make comparisons and judge.

Based on outscoring Torres two years in a row maybe?

Based on outscoring Torres; Drogba and Anelka's combined tally while at Bolton?

Based on his footballing ability?

Based on being younger and having his best years ahead of him?

I don't know it annoys me, when people say Sturridge is unproven but yet forget that we have given Torres an automatic first team slot based on one and a half years of pain and misery for all parties involved.

[Hutcho 8,443]

The one thing I don't get about this Sturridge vs Torres debate is that people call for Sturridge to be number 1 striker on the basis of nothing. As things stand Torres deserves to be number 1 for the fact he's been playing this season, grabbed a few goals and linked up well with the trio behind him. Rather than make outlandish and baseless claims, we should wait and see what Sturridge can do as a CF and then make comparisons and judge.

ONTO THE GAME

I really get the feeling that Fergie is going to go with the Diamond formation as he has an on form Hernandez, RVP and Rooney and this will play into our hands as Carrick will most likely be the base of that diamond and Rooney the tip. Using Ramires and Oscar, we could really shut them out of the game and nullify the United threat. If Fergie went for his traditional wing play, then we could struggle, although it means more space in the middle for us

I don't think they are outlandish claims. We have seen what sturridge can do at striker from his loan spell at bolton. We have also seen his impact he has made in his rare appearances as sub. Most of the time he makes more of an impact than torres had done in his previous 75 mins on the pitch. And we can't really do a comparsion without giving him a chance. Also, he has grabbed some goals which everyone is glad at, however we do have hazard mata oscar behind him. As a trio that is probably up there in the top 4 AM trios in the world. As a lone striker with that creativity behind you, you should really be scoring goals. For me, it is clear who atm is the better out and out striker.

[Hutcho 8,443]

No one is saying if we play sturridge then we will have the equivilant of falcoa, but you are not human if you do not get slightly frustrated at the number of wasted oppertunites we are having atm. These oppertunities could well be at a premium especially against the likes of man utd. Furthermore, no one is "hating" torres, everyone gets behind him all the way when he plays for us and i will be exactly the same when he starts on sunday as he puts in a lot of effort; and anyone who wears our shirt deserves our support. However, it has to come to a point where putting in a lot of effort, isn't good enough. Danny starting one game doesn't spell the end of torres, but means he knows that he has competition for places, (which all the football pundits seem to think doesn't exist) so giving danny a chance has surely got to be worth trying. Maybe a league game vs united isn't the best time to make as big a change as switching strikers, but a league cup game vs them would be the perfect time to give him 90 mins and then if he plays well he gets to start at the weekend.

[Sheva. 5,373]

when people say Sturridge is unproven

He is as main striker. He did well for half a season as a winger, and did well at Bolton alongside Kevin Davies and Elmander pretty much beside them.

And like i've said over and over, we are just what? 8 games into the league season, and Sturridge is the only other option we have to Torres so he will start games, and more than in just cup games or whatever. Then we will all see how capable he is at the position.

[Tomo 21,751]

For the last time people stop this silly height discussion. Any further thread derailment will result in warnings.

Although it's a strange topic of conversation, it's still relevant as one of the two will play on Sunday and will have to do their fair share of defending from corner kicks.

He is as main striker. He did well for half a season as a winger, and did well at Bolton alongside Kevin Davies and Elmander pretty much beside them.

And like i've said over and over, we are just what? 8 games into the league season, and Sturridge is the only other option we have to Torres so he will start games, and more than in just cup games or whatever. Then we will all see how capable he is at the position.

Cech was unproven in goal at a top team (Rennes are practically France's version of Bolton) until Jose decided to stick him in for the first time (ironically in the fixture we are about to play).

Im not saying Danny will have the same impact for the next 8 years if he gets selected Sunday, but it's worth thinking, what if Jose played safe and stuck with Carlo?

[klopfzeichen 78]

The one thing I don't get about this Sturridge vs Torres debate is that people call for Sturridge to be number 1 striker on the basis of nothing. As things stand Torres deserves to be number 1 for the fact he's been playing this season, grabbed a few goals and linked up well with the trio behind him. Rather than make outlandish and baseless claims, we should wait and see what Sturridge can do as a CF and then make comparisons and judge.

We base our call for Sturridge to be number 1 striker on the fact that Torres is embarrasingly rubbish, an absolute waste of space, and nowhere near fit to wear the shirt. So in other words any striker that isn't Torres is an improvement basically.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Cech was unproven in goal at a top team (Rennes are practically France's version of Bolton) until Jose decided to stick him in for the first time (ironically in the fixture we are about to play).

Im not saying Danny will have the same impact for the next 8 years if he gets selected Sunday, but it's worth thinking, what if Jose played safe and stuck with Carlo?

Cech made 70 apps for Rennes (wiki) enough to judge how good a keeper he is. It is also not strange to see keepers move from smaller teams to much better/bigger clubs and get games, more recent examples are Lindegaard or Courtois.

While Sturridge played 12 games for Bolton, and tbf i didn't have time to watch like 8 of those games, but the few i saw he did not play as a lone striker like he'd be asked to do here. His positioning is alright, his finishing decent and pace great, but there's more to it than that. In the 1 game he started as main striker for Chelsea against Blackburn he had a tough time shaking off Samba and Torres was brought in at half time if i remember correctly.

People who expect him to just step in and instantly shine could very well be wrong, but we will all see... eventually.

[The Skipper 20,609]

man u have a good attack but poor defence. they basically have to out score their opponents to win at the moment. so if we keep our defence tight, i believe our attacking players will cause havoc on their defence. I'm looking forward to this one. 7 points clear of man u, dream come true!

This is exactly it. Lets hope the goals go our way, the team who's the most clinical will win.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Although it's a strange topic of conversation, it's

still relevant as one of the two will play on Sunday and will have to do their fair share of defending from corner kicks.

And where does Shak fit in the game on Sunday? I'm just saying that most members would like to discuss tactics and news for the match rather than who's got a couple of centimeters on who.

[didierforever 7,349]

This is exactly it. Lets hope the goals go our way, the team who's the most clinical will win.

then we know the result. so lets hope this is not the case.

[Kojo 4,676]

I can't believe how silly the level of discussion is in the last few pages

This is the Match thread for the Manchester United game not the height thread. Get back on topic people.

Di Matteo prematch:

Di Matteo always so chilled, very likeable character, like Carlo was, he wouldn't really be controversial and would handle the media by just shutting up and not saying a bad word about anything.

[The Skipper 20,609]

then we know the result. so lets hope this is not the case.

I rather meant the team that's the most clinical on the day.