Oscar

[Reddish-Blue 2,355]

To be fair, that's a fucked up thing to say, to "take advantage".

My bad, it was poorly worded.

[the wes 7,212]

The day a club like Juventus approach us to sign Mikel is the day I eat my shoe....

fs Sunderland wouldn't even take Mikel on a free lol

[Fernando 6,486]

Juventus official Fabio Paratici has reportedly been in London to hold talks with Chelsea over the potential transfer of Oscar.

http://www.calciomercato.it/news/357003/calciomercato-juventus-paratici-a-londra-per-oscar-e-non-solo.html

Yeah best to sell him because Mourinho doesn't trust him anymore.

He might come good but with the manager we have sometimes these younger players are best gone somewhere else so they can express themselves freely.

[bababoom 4,478]

His passing is pretty average, decent on the ball, close control non existant and he doesn't have that turn of pace many of the top number 10s have. He's a smart player tactically and would probably do well in Serie A, but he hasn't really kicked on here. I still believe his first season with us was probably his best, after that Juventus game i was hyped but now we can safety say that was a one off. He's a jack of all trades master of none.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

His passing is pretty average, decent on the ball, close control non existant and he doesn't have that turn of pace many of the top number 10s have. He's a smart player tactically and would probably do well in Serie A, but he hasn't really kicked on here. I still believe his first season with us was probably his best, after that Juventus game i was hyped but now we can safety say that was a one off. He's a jack of all trades master of none.

The only real problem is his consistency. On his day he can score wondergoal, either free kick or from play, has good positioning. He is quite intelligent player, he tracks back brilliantly and connects the midfield with attack. Very versatile; basicaly he can do anything.

But problem is that this happens once every 5 games or 5 games in row and then nothing for next three months. If he can get his consistency, he could be cracking player. I would take best Oscar over Ozils and Iscos anyday. Because he offers alot more than just final pass.

He has age on his side, I would love to see into future when Oscar is something like 28. He doesnt rely on pace either so he could perform even in 30s.

But so far he has been average and without real improvement for 3 years now. Not just for chelsea but brazil too (Imo he is even less important for them than he was).

So my guess is that we wont see the best of Oscar until he reaches mid to late 20s. Only question is are we patient enough to wait or will he reach his best in another team.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,898]

The only real problem is his consistency.

I dislike talking about consistency in footballers. Every footballer's play is inconsistent. Come to that every human being is inconsistent, at everything. Players have a range of performance output which is dictated by their talent. The problem is, those whose general talent is below that required for the level they play at only appear good enough when they are at their very best. The rest of the time, which is most of the time, they struggle.

But problem is that this happens once every 5 games or 5 games in row and then nothing for next three months.

Exactly.

He has age on his side, I would love to see into future when Oscar is something like 28. He doesnt rely on pace either so he could perform even in 30s.

He'll be more experienced then, but his talent is what it is and he's stuck with it. I made the same point when he was 21. People told me to wait till he was 24.

So my guess is that we wont see the best of Oscar until he reaches mid to late 20s. Only question is are we patient enough to wait or will he reach his best in another team.

He has reached his mid 20s and I don't agree with you that there will be any significant change over the next four years. Even if you're right however, I don't see the point of waiting. We need a better contribution from that position, and we need it now. Sitting Oscar on the bench until he is able to be the one who delivers that contribution will be very expensive, will occupy a squad place, and will only slow his supposed progress in any case.

[Reddish-Blue 2,355]

Yeah best to sell him because Mourinho doesn't trust him anymore.

He might come good but with the manager we have sometimes these younger players are best gone somewhere else so they can express themselves freely.

It's not about trust. Oscar hasn't stepped up his game at all since his first season at Chelsea.

I don't know if it's the tactical system or the player's own limitation...but something is clearly holding him back.

Hopefully Juventus pays 25-30 million for him

[Essien19 1,415]

If we decide to sell Oscar and buy another number 10, we won't have any depth.

Why not buy a good player who he can compete with and rotate wisely.
Yes, i know very unlikely with the current business model in place, sad!

[Adnane 1,101]

There is only one scenario where we would be williing to sell Oscar for me, and that would be knowing that Isco is coming or something like that.

[Stats 7,059]

Shocking to see how Oscar still is in the Brazil squad and the likes of Coutinho are out of it. He was magnificent today and it is games like this where he shows some of his world class ability. I don't even see how I was debating with some members on here about who is better between Oscar or Coutinho. It is not even a debate. Coutinho has progressed while Oscar has regressed. Well I think it has been the case for a long while anyway what the Brazil squad is not based on meritocracy and it is more marketing and them factors which are based on players being picked. Allan has been excellent for Napoli this season and can't even get in the squad. I would love to see Oscar put in the type of performance Coutinho done today but I just don't think he has that type of ability. I can't see him getting a starting slot any time here soon either.

[didierforever 7,349]

Shocking to see how Oscar still is in the Brazil squad and the likes of Coutinho are out of it. He was magnificent today and it is games like this where he shows some of his world class ability. I don't even see how I was debating with some members on here about who is better between Oscar or Coutinho. It is not even a debate. Coutinho has progressed while Oscar has regressed. Well I think it has been the case for a long while anyway what the Brazil squad is not based on meritocracy and it is more marketing and them factors which are based on players being picked. Allan ahs been excellent for Napoli this season and can't even get in the squad. I would love to see Oscar put in the type of performance Coutinho done today but I just don't think he has that type of ability. I can't see him getting a starting slot any time here soon either.

Forget Brazil, I will be shocked if he is in the Chelsea squad next summer.

Simple, if you are going into the season with just 4 proper AMs with 2 19 years old as backups, the senior 4 should be world class (hazard) or at least very good players (William/Pedro). Oscar is a good player but that's just about it. Not a game changer, can't control the game. Sell him and get isco if we can. But his time here is pretty much done unless people still think Jose is simply going for "pace".

[iseah100 5,612]

Coutinho is better than him.

[robsblubot 3,530]

Shocking to see how Oscar still is in the Brazil squad and the likes of Coutinho are out of it. He was magnificent today and it is games like this where he shows some of his world class ability. I don't even see how I was debating with some members on here about who is better between Oscar or Coutinho. It is not even a debate. Coutinho has progressed while Oscar has regressed. Well I think it has been the case for a long while anyway what the Brazil squad is not based on meritocracy and it is more marketing and them factors which are based on players being picked. Allan has been excellent for Napoli this season and can't even get in the squad. I would love to see Oscar put in the type of performance Coutinho done today but I just don't think he has that type of ability. I can't see him getting a starting slot any time here soon either.

It's really not that shocking if you have ever actually watched countinho play for Brazil. He never had a good - said good not great - game for Brazil. Played the entire copa america and was shit, so it's really up to him to up his game at international level.

These comparisons here still make no sense to me... is Coutinho better than willian? Is Coutinho better than Hazard? latter at least makes some sense.

Coutinho is their Hazard - the entire team plays and runs for him as Shirley has already said we do for Hazard.

These comparison make no sense to me because you can't play with 3 coutinhos/hazards up front. Players like Oscar and Willian provide the balance especially when you play 4231 since otherwise your CMs would end up overwhelmed.

No I'm not saying Oscar is the best we can do in that position, just that he does NOT compete with Coutinho for a spot (for Brazil).

[Stats 7,059]

It's really not that shocking if you have ever actually watched countinho play for Brazil. He never had a good - said good not great - game for Brazil. Played the entire copa america and was shit, so it's really up to him to up his game at international level.

These comparisons here still make no sense to me... is Coutinho better than willian? Is Coutinho better than Hazard? latter at least makes some sense.

Coutinho is their Hazard - the entire team plays and runs for him as Shirley has already said we do for Hazard.

These comparison make no sense to me because you can't play with 3 coutinhos/hazards up front. Players like Oscar and Willian provide the balance especially when you play 4231 since otherwise your CMs would end up overwhelmed.

No I'm not saying Oscar is the best we can do in that position, just that he does NOT compete with Coutinho for a spot (for Brazil).

Oscar has not been that good for Brazil too. Coutinho has never been given much starts in a Brazil shirt anyway so it is difficult for him to prove what he can do. If he is given regular starts, however I think he can do good. And Coutinho is a no.10 and so is Oscar, which is why I am making the comparison. Yes, Coutinho is their Hazard but Willian for instance who provides this balance you mention does a lot more and actually contributes a lot more in the game. I am not just talking about this season. I am talking about last season. He always steps up and produces moments of quality throughout the game. Just because Oscar is not given the same responsibility as Hazard, the lack of offensive qualities he gives us is really concerning.

I really thought Oscar was going to step up this season but I cannot now. He has even lost his place in the Brazil team now and that says a lot.

[robsblubot 3,530]

Oscar has not been that good for Brazil too. Coutinho has never been given much starts in a Brazil shirt anyway so it is difficult for him to prove what he can do. If he is given regular starts, however I think he can do good. And Coutinho is a no.10 and so is Oscar, which is why I am making the comparison. Yes, Coutinho is their Hazard but Willian for instance who provides this balance you mention does a lot more and actually contributes a lot more in the game. I am not just talking about this season. I am talking about last season. He always steps up and produces moments of quality throughout the game. Just because Oscar is not given the same responsibility as Hazard, the lack of offensive qualities he gives us is really concerning.

I really thought Oscar was going to step up this season but I cannot now. He has even lost his place in the Brazil team now and that says a lot.

See that's where we disagree: Oscar wears #8 and plays as a #8 to me.

I can certainly see both Coutinho and Oscar playing together without issues. Oscar form is a different discussion altogether and he does have to step up, but he's also been a bit unlucky with injuries.

[Special Juan 27,439]

Just sell him ASAP, his race is run here, get good money and be done.

[Barbara 15,149]

It's really not that shocking if you have ever actually watched countinho play for Brazil. He never had a good - said good not great - game for Brazil. Played the entire copa america and was shit, so it's really up to him to up his game at international level.

These comparisons here still make no sense to me... is Coutinho better than willian? Is Coutinho better than Hazard? latter at least makes some sense.

Coutinho is their Hazard - the entire team plays and runs for him as Shirley has already said we do for Hazard.

These comparison make no sense to me because you can't play with 3 coutinhos/hazards up front. Players like Oscar and Willian provide the balance especially when you play 4231 since otherwise your CMs would end up overwhelmed.

No I'm not saying Oscar is the best we can do in that position, just that he does NOT compete with Coutinho for a spot (for Brazil).

I agree with most of it.

Coutinho has big consistency issues and he goes 10-15 matches without doing anything relevant. Which means he would need NTs to play as often as clubs for him to finally make an impact.

Oscar is a big letdown for me though. I stopped believing he will flourish someday. He won't overcome his 'inconsistency' because he seems to have accepted it as part of who he is. He has a lot of potential, but he won't ever fulfill it not because of inconsistency, but because he consistently settles for mediocrity.

Coutinho might though, especially working now under Klopp. Klopp does develop well attackers like him, but his inconsistency is bigger than Oscar's now. Although there also lies the difference. Coutinho is inconsistent, Oscar is consistent on fading away. There's a difference imo and for a long time I labeled Oscar inconsistent when I should haven't done it.

[Last Sicarius 610]

I still dont know when Oscar was good as people told? Coutinho rape us on SB, yesterday was overstandig vs Man City. I wont be surprise if Barcelona go for him on the end of this season(Coutinho).