Oscar

[robsblubot 3,595]

Hulk is just a terrible player. He shouldn't be anywhere near the national team.

yeah, the comment was more about tactics, but agreed on Hulk as his finishing hasn't really been good enough for the NT.

[Peace. 4,352]

seriously what about no. Do we want another Mikel situation on our hands. People seem to forget his great goals last season and what position he executed those goals from. In a 4-3-3 yes, Not in a pivot

This.

That's what annoys me at times on this forum. Whenever a player has an ability which is not specific to his position, people want to play him outta position — just like Luiz. I mean, a lot of people wanted (and still want) to play him as our DM because he has a very good technique (for a defender). Now Oscar displays good defending aptitudes and a great work rate, so people want him to play him more deeper into the midfield where he will have more defending duties..... Ramires runs fast — should we drop him out of the team and register him into an athletics club ?

To me, that's stupid. It's a chance to have a defender with good technical abilities ; it's a chance to have an advanced midfielder with very good defending abilities. Into my eyes, we have to look at these "extra abilities" as "plus" and built around it. I mean, Luiz has a very good passing game for a defender, but once you put him into midfield, this ability becomes irrelevant because it's nothing out of this world for a midfielder. The same will happen with Oscar, in my opinion.

Moreover, putting Oscar in this fucking pivot will inhibit him and his qualities. "playmaker abilities" + "defending abilities" doesn't necessarily equates to "deep-lying playmaker". In the football era we're in, Oscar is what comes the nearest to the classic "n°10" ; he plays like one. He participates in the building of the game and in setting the tempo of the game by roaming all over the pitch. By default his place is in the center of the pitch (in an advanced position) though he drifts to the right wing, to the left wing, comes deep into the midfield and goes into goalscoring position.

Building the game as a deep-lying playmaker or as an advanced midfielder are two different things. If you want to see the differences, go and watch a game of Barcelona. Xavi and Iniesta are the two Barça's playmaker (+ arguably Messi, but it isn't today's debate). Despite being two playmakers, they manœuvre into two differents positions, which implies different roles, different tasks, different playing areas. For example, some stats can illustrate those differences : in La Liga, Xavi has five goals and eight assists while Iniesta has three goals and 16 assists.

Now, is Oscar a good fit for this pivot ? I don't think so. Firstly, I don't see him being exceptional at spreading the ball from deep. In the pivot, he will have the game/action in front of him — but to mine, he has to be in the heart of the action to express his qualities. When I compare him to deep-lying playmakers such as Xavi, Pirlo and Alonso, I don't see him having the same set of playmaker's abilities than them.

Furthermore, we also have to take into account that the defensive tasks he will have to accomplish in the p*v*t won't be the same as what he does right now. At the moment, he has so good defensive stats because he has the liberty of movement (at some extent), he can (and has to) leave his position to chase down the foes and to get back the ball. He comes from a high position to a deep one in order to help out our defensive midfielders and defenders ; in some sense, he's not the defender but helps the defenders. In the p*v*t, he won't have the same defensives task, won't have the same responsabilities. From a position of "defenders' assitant" he will become a "defender". And, as playing in the p*v*t requires discipline, he won't be able to go all over the pitch to chase down the opposition — and thus, into my opinion, he will be found out of his depth because it's not the kind of defender he is.

All in all, playing into this position will hinder both his attacking and defending abilities. It probably won't be a flop ; but it won't be a thundering success. We have the chance to have into our hands a very good "n°10" who has a more than valuable defending facet to his game — why try to be some wizard and play him out of position, just like we did with Mikel, Kalou, Anelka, etc...? For God's sake, we should try to build around these qualities, not putting him in this fucking p*v*t just because it looks trendy.

[GhanaBoy 104]

This.

That's what annoys me at times on this forum. Whenever a player has an ability which is not specific to his position, people want to play him outta position — just like Luiz. I mean, a lot of people wanted (and still want) to play him as our DM because he has a very good technique (for a defender). Now Oscar displays good defending aptitudes and a great work rate, so people want him to play him more deeper into the midfield where he will have more defending duties..... Ramires runs fast — should we drop him out of the team and register him into an athletics club ?

To me, that's stupid. It's a chance to have a defender with good technical abilities ; it's a chance to have an advanced midfielder with very good defending abilities. Into my eyes, we have to look at these "extra abilities" as "plus" and built around it. I mean, Luiz has a very good passing game for a defender, but once you put him into midfield, this ability becomes irrelevant because it's nothing out of this world for a midfielder. The same will happen with Oscar, in my opinion.

Moreover, putting Oscar in this fucking pivot will inhibit him and his qualities. "playmaker abilities" + "defending abilities" doesn't necessarily equates to "deep-lying playmaker". In the football era we're in, Oscar is what comes the nearest to the classic "n°10" ; he plays like one. He participates in the building of the game and in setting the tempo of the game by roaming all over the pitch. By default his place is in the center of the pitch (in an advanced position) though he drifts to the right wing, to the left wing, comes deep into the midfield and goes into goalscoring position.

Building the game as a deep-lying playmaker or as an advanced midfielder are two different things. If you want to see the differences, go and watch a game of Barcelona. Xavi and Iniesta are the two Barça's playmaker (+ arguably Messi, but it isn't today's debate). Despite being two playmakers, they manœuvre into two differents positions, which implies different roles, different tasks, different playing areas. For example, some stats can illustrate those differences : in La Liga, Xavi has five goals and eight assists while Iniesta has three goals and 16 assists.

Now, is Oscar a good fit for this pivot ? I don't think so. Firstly, I don't see him being exceptional at spreading the ball from deep. In the pivot, he will have the game/action in front of him — but to mine, he has to be in the heart of the action to express his qualities. When I compare him to deep-lying playmakers such as Xavi, Pirlo and Alonso, I don't see him having the same set of playmaker's abilities than them.

Furthermore, we also have to take into account that the defensive tasks he will have to accomplish in the p*v*t won't be the same as what he does right now. At the moment, he has so good defensive stats because he has the liberty of movement (at some extent), he can (and has to) leave his position to chase down the foes and to get back the ball. He comes from a high position to a deep one in order to help out our defensive midfielders and defenders ; in some sense, he's not the defender but helps the defenders. In the p*v*t, he won't have the same defensives task, won't have the same responsabilities. From a position of "defenders' assitant" he will become a "defender". And, as playing in the p*v*t requires discipline, he won't be able to go all over the pitch to chase down the opposition — and thus, into my opinion, he will be found out of his depth because it's not the kind of defender he is.

All in all, playing into this position will hinder both his attacking and defending abilities. It probably won't be a flop ; but it won't be a thundering success. We have the chance to have into our hands a very good "n°10" who has a more than valuable defending facet to his game — why try to be some wizard and play him out of position, just like we did with Mikel, Kalou, Anelka, etc...? For God's sake, we should try to build around these qualities, not putting him in this fucking p*v*t just because it looks trendy.

peace what do you think about KDB and can he and Oscar play together. Also the formation that best suits this squad, in my opinion Oscar reminds me of Zidane while Mata reminds me of kaka in the sense that he is a second striker not an examplilary #10, as such needs to play wide.

[haranr 485]

Because he is skinny or something.

Guys clam down. Its not my words. David Luiz said in an interview that Oscar is a shy boy and it will take him time to adapt. He knows better than you so yea

[haranr 485]

Let me be clear. We all know Oscar isn't that confident. We can see it. Hazard is much more confident if anyone argues about that he is an idiot seriously.

[haranr 485]

Hulk is just a terrible player. He shouldn't be anywhere near the national team.

Lol. I don't get how come so many mates are saying Hulk isn't good. The guy is a beast! Amazing Shots Good Dribble Good Strength Good Workrate. He is surely better than Schurrle

[Jase 43,479]

Guys clam down. Its not my words. David Luiz said in an interview that Oscar is a shy boy and it will take him time to adapt. He knows better than you so yea

When did he say that? Wasn't it an old quote??

Let me be clear. We all know Oscar isn't that confident. We can see it. Hazard is much more confident if anyone argues about that he is an idiot seriously.

We all? We ALL?? Judging by some replies here, it's safe to say that those members and loads of others know Oscar is a lad that is confident and knows what he's doing. If anything, it seems you are the only one around here that thinks Oscar isn't a confident person. What exactly are the reasons you think he's not that confident??

[Gorando 184]

Lol. I don't get how come so many mates are saying Hulk isn't good. The guy is a beast! Amazing Shots Good Dribble Good Strength Good Workrate. He is surely better than Schurrle

yea but his decision making is awful, his passing is poor, hes too selfish and he doesnt know he has a right foot

[haranr 485]

When did he say that? Wasn't it an old quote??

We all? We ALL?? Judging by some replies here, it's safe to say that those members and loads of others know Oscar is a lad that is confident and knows what he's doing. If anything, it seems you are the only one around here that thinks Oscar isn't a confident person. What exactly are the reasons you think he's not that confident??

LOL would u calm down wow! He knows what he is doing I am just saying that I can see that Hazard is more confident. Oscar is a little bit afarid. He does well but you can't say he is comfortable like Hazard is in the team.

[Merih 10]

Lol. I don't get how come so many mates are saying Hulk isn't good. The guy is a beast! Amazing Shots Good Dribble Good Strength Good Workrate. He is surely better than Schurrle

Hulk is also 4.5 years older than Schürrle... I'm much more happy with Schürrle for £18M instead of Hulk for £40M.

As far as Oscar is concerned I hope that our increased depth can afford him a break in a similar way to the break we have Mata recently.

[Jase 43,479]

LOL would u calm down wow! He knows what he is doing I am just saying that I can see that Hazard is more confident. Oscar is a little bit afarid. He does well but you can't say he is comfortable like Hazard is in the team.

You said Oscar isn't confident, mentally weak (compared to Hazard etc) or shy, fine. But all you are doing is basically just comparing Oscar with Hazard, which isn't exactly a justifiable reason to your main point, and not looking at Oscar's characteristics in isolation. If anything, it looks as if you are just judging a book by its cover here.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If he plays on sunday Final, it will be his 80th game of season.

FFS!!!!

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Can we stop considering Oscar as a CM please? We all know it won't happen for a lot of years yet.... or it might not even happen at all. Its a future possibility but for now, he should stay as a number 10 no matter what. Hes better centrally. He is better at dropping deep to link the play than Juan is, his work rate is superb, he has a good tactical understanding and can drop back and mark players out of the game like with Pirlo and Arteta. I'd like to see him playing centrally under Jose. With Schurrle coming in that means another option for left and right wing so hopefully we won't see Oscar there much.

[zolayes 14,489]

I just get more impressed by his maturity ,,,he is going to be the ultimate " TEAM" player

[Yeboii 1,844]

If he plays on sunday Final, it will be his 80th game of season.

FFS!!!!

Goodbye legs