Oscar

[LDN Blue 7,903]

People seem to forget that we played Sunderland, not City, Arsenal or even Leicester! And it's also funny that when the players put in a decent performance to win a game under Mourinho this season, people urged others not to get carried away because it's only one game or the opposition was rubbish etc. Now, Mourinho is gone, the players put in ONE decent display against a hopeless side and people think the players are getting back to their best already.

That's basically it in a nutshell. I corrected Henrique earlier to say having a fickle nature, albeit even if its a few times, is just a by-product of football.

It's part of the process of being a fan to be fickle on certain issues and Oscar seems to be one of those right now. This thread is just prime example, going back to when he was signed and the promise he showed. To then becoming an Oscar v Mata debate, that dragged on far longer than it had to! To then becoming forgotten, I mean we literally forgot about him during our struggles. No-one looked to Oscar as the man who would save our season.

Let's see how we get through until the end of January. New manager syndrome is effective, ask Klopp, but lets see if its sustainable.

[Clockwork 1,794]

No Jose more freedom.

Have always said Oscar biggest strength is his movement, he moves exceptionally well off the ball and pops everywhere to build attack. Under Mou he became so robotic.

It was Sunderland no doubt, but we have played so many poor teams but never looked this fluid.

[Jase 43,479]

Let's see how we get through until the end of January. New manager syndrome is effective, ask Klopp, but lets see if its sustainable.

What Klopp effect...?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

What Klopp effect...?

Looool ouch!

:D

[positivefootball 195]

People seem to forget that we played Sunderland, not City, Arsenal or even Leicester! And it's also funny that when the players put in a decent performance to win a game under Mourinho this season, people urged others not to get carried away because it's only one game or the opposition was rubbish etc. Now, Mourinho is gone, the players put in ONE decent display against a hopeless side and people think the players are getting back to their best already.

Except he never played like this under Jose. Its pretty clear. He even did a rabona cross when he was in the box. Only a Jose fan would say that he played like this under him.

[Barbara 15,149]

I had given up on him for real this season. I really truly believed if he had proper rest he'd be more consistent. I was fairly mistaken.

Many players will have the chance to prove themselves under a new manager now, let's see how it goes.

I wouldn't sell any player now based on how they've been performing, but I wouldn't mind at all to see the buggers who didn't bother to say goodbye. So I'm not against his departure, just for a completely different reason.

[Jase 43,479]

Except he never played like this under Jose. Its pretty clear. He even did a rabona cross when he was in the box. Only a Jose fan would say that he played like this under him.

So, we're now using executing rabona cross as a judging criteria?! Oscar had great games under Mourinho as well, like in the 2 previous seasons. It is ONE game and it was against Sunderland. The reaction to his performance (or anyone else for that) is just ridiculous and over the top. If Mourinho was still around, oversaw that game and Oscar and the rest put in that kind of performance, people would be urging caution and said it's only Sunderland. I'll wait till he put those kind of performances in the upcoming matches - Watford, Man United, Crystal Palace etc - and do so consistently before coming to any conclusion.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Chelsea scored a corner after 5 min of play. 4 or 5 men at the back won't prevent that from happening. It was an excellent header from Ivanovic. Typical Chelsea goal.

7 min later Pedro plays the ball to Ivanovic on the right flank. He's completely unmarked with plenty of space. Van Aanholt (I think) moves from a tucked in position to the left flank. But he decides not to press him and stays more than a few metres away from him. Again, no one is around him (Sunderland offered a lot of space throughout the game). is He's pretty far away from the box but decides to cross the ball early. Nothing new about this scenario. The cross is poor. Again nothing new. But the ball lands in front of Pedro after a richochet. Close range, he smashes it, goal.

12:14 and you are leading by two goals against a poor team at home. How easy life becomes all of a sudden. They were terrible. Chelsea has been very poor but let's not exaggerate. Games have actually been won this season and even a team in worse form than Chelsea would win a game like that in most cases.

This was of course a game that could've been lost. But heading into the game, a win, draw or loss were all perfectly plausible scenarios. Losing was not the most likely outcome though.

You're right. Best to wait for Watford who are on fire. I just think we played really well, moved the ball faster (A LOT), playing great 1-2s, movement and finding space was of improvement.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

My theory that Mourinho stunts young attacking players developments will be proven correct if Oscar suddenly becomes the player everyone thought he'd be. I'm one of his biggest fans but I do agree with those who are weary. It was just one game, consistency is key.

Those tricks and skills never happened under Jose though. Forget the Rabona crosses and backheels there was this Neymar sombrero skill he did in his own half!

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Let's not get carried away.

We know Oscar has such games in him, his problem is consistency (or there lack of). Until he does that in consecutive games, I refrain from jumping back on the wagon. Made that mistake when he was cost Mata his role.

Mata? Seriously. He's been irrelevant ever since he left. It's been what? 3 seasons since he was any good lol. De Bruyne I could understand but Mata?

[Ossie the King 634]

My theory that Mourinho stunts young attacking players developments will be proven correct if Oscar suddenly becomes the player everyone thought he'd be. I'm one of his biggest fans but I do agree with those who are weary. It was just one game, consistency is key.

Those tricks and skills never happened under Jose though. Forget the Rabona crosses and backheels there was this Neymar sombrero skill he did in his own half!

By what about the growth of Hazard under Jose? Does that not count for some reason I'm unaware of?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Mata? Seriously. He's been irrelevant ever since he left. It's been what? 3 seasons since he was any good lol. De Bruyne I could understand but Mata?

Oscar has still been unable to do what Mata did in a Chelsea shirt. Whatever way you judge their careers now, to understate Mata's contributions would be criminal.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

By what about the growth of Hazard under Jose? Does that not count for some reason I'm unaware of?

Hazard would have grown to the same degree, or even more, under a coach who doesn't place massive shackles on him, in my honest opinion. Talent is talent, whichever way you look at it.

[Ossie the King 634]

Hazard would have grown to the same degree, or even more, under a coach who doesn't place massive shackles on him, in my honest opinion. Talent is talent, whichever way you look at it.

But Oscar is talented isn't he? I sort of see the distinction you're making but I think Hazard reached incredible heights last season despite these so-called shackles. Not many players in world football get away without being shackled. Look at Barca and players like Messi often lead the press high up the pitch, yet that doesn't seem to stop him from being probably the best there's ever been.

[Barbara 15,149]

Oscar has still been unable to do what Mata did in a Chelsea shirt. Whatever way you judge their careers now, to understate Mata's contributions would be criminal.

True, but we can't ever overlook how Mata had a whole team built around him when he reached those highs (imo reason why he was never able to be as effective at Utd), something not even Eden had under Mourinho - let alone Oscar.

Mata is a better 10 than Oscar, I agree, but in effective terms, it isn't to the extent people believe as they often disregard he had a free role here and that makes a huge difference. For Mata to be very effective he needs to have a whole team gravitating around him, free reign to only do his thing and he depends a lot on what others are doing around him. Different problems, but he has the same setup limitations Cesc has. A very ideal setup needs to be in place for him to really flourish, otherwise his slowness to move, extended time he needs to get things done and lack of physicality are easily exposed. I didn't even mention the inability to do any defensive work - as I know for many here, a true #10 shouldn't have any obligations of the sort, something modern football seems to disagree vehemently, but still.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

True, but we can't ever overlook how Mata had a whole team built around him when he reached those highs (imo reason why he was never able to be as effective at Utd), something not even Eden had under Mourinho - let alone Oscar.

Mata is a better 10 than Oscar, I agree, but in effective terms, it isn't to the extent people believe as they often disregard he had a free role here and that makes a huge difference. For Mata to be very effective he needs to have a whole team gravitating around him, free reign to only do his thing and he depends a lot on what others are doing around him. Different problems, but he has the same setup limitations Cesc has. A very ideal setup needs to be in place for him to really flourish, otherwise his slowness to move, extended time he needs to get things done and lack of physicality are easily exposed. I didn't even mention the inability to do any defensive work - as I know for many here, a true #10 shouldn't have any obligations of the sort, something modern football seems to disagree vehemently, but still.

Agreed, Oscar albeit did have an enormous weight on his shoulders to be fair. With Mourinho basically saying 'you're my guy' over that player who won twice 'player of the season' with us. The demands of being Mourinho's no10 are quite different to what you see of how Arsenal expect Ozil to play, Manchester City with Silva, etc.

[King11Didier 916]

I can't even believe it was Oscar who played with his shirt against Sunderland. I know he has a good game once a month, but that performance on Saturday was more than impressive. If I was someone who doesn't watch Chelsea matches often and watched last game, I'd say Oscar is one of the most important player in Chelsea's squad. MOTM without any doubt.
If only he could be consistent... But looks like this is his biggest problem.

[Leif 6,006]

remember when i said Coutinho is better than Oscar

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