Oscar

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In 2012 I predicted he would become a better player than Eden Hazard. With the help of my friends and family I have since been able to overcome my crack addiction

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

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Hazard-willian-rambo

Matoc-luiz.

That was our formation on the day with william along with one of our Dms doubling on yaya whenever he got the ball. It was a 4-2-3-1.

Willian is not a direct goal threat. But if u read carefully I ridicule the point that there is not "supposedly" a better option than oscar in this squad which is a LOL opinion that only oscar lovers ( sadly that includes jose) have.

There is not a single thing that oscar gives us that willian can't. And surprisingly enough willian can put together 2 succesful passes unlike oscar.

Ps - agenda. oscar fans never seem to disappint. Atleast most of them are off "he is tired", "he is young", he has potential". All those were fun to read.

You can call it whatever you want but the fact is we played a 4-3-3 with Rambo leaking out on the right to join counters. That's pretty much how we play all the time on the counter. Its no secret that in big games Jose likes to keep the midfield compact. But I digress its a muted argument that I doubt you will see the light of so lets just move on.

"There's not a single thing that Oscar can give us that Willian can't"? Ummmmm what? in his time with Chelsea Willian has scored 8 goals in 76 games. 18 goals in 87 games. Wiliian has had 10 assists and Oscar 20...

For his career Oscar has averaged more than 2 tackles a game to Willian 1.4. You must be sniffing glue if you think these two players are even close to comparable in production. I like Willian a lot but lets not pretend his contributions to the squad have been anywhere near as much as Oscar's.

The truth of the matter is Oscar, Willian and Cesc have all been poor in 2015 and we've struggled as a result.

[didierforever 7,349]

You can call it whatever you want but the fact is we played a 4-3-3 with Rambo leaking out on the right to join counters. That's pretty much how we play all the time on the counter. Its no secret that in big games Jose likes to keep the midfield compact. But I digress its a muted argument that I doubt you will see the light of so lets just move on.

"There's not a single thing that Oscar can give us that Willian can't"? Ummmmm what? in his time with Chelsea Willian has scored 8 goals in 76 games. 18 goals in 87 games. Wiliian has had 10 assists and Oscar 20...

For his career Oscar has averaged more than 2 tackles a game to Willian 1.4. You must be sniffing glue if you think these two players are even close to comparable in production. I like Willian a lot but lets not pretend his contributions to the squad have been anywhere near as much as Oscar's.

The truth of the matter is Oscar, Willian and Cesc have all been poor in 2015 and we've struggled as a result.

so you are telling me that willian dint play thru the center and as a no.10 against city? Wow.. don't know what match u saw.

These goals and assists that u talk of, are they any like the ones against newcastle? Where he taps in a goal made up by willian and iva? Don't think willian got an assist for that. Also, we don't rwally need a 25 mil player to tap in and play horendous all through the game. Or maybe those goals and asists are like against swansea where he got 2 goals and an asist but has done NOTHING for us. And when I say NOTHING, I mean nothing. Passing hold up play, defensive play... NOTHING. So you see, I would take a couple of fewer goals if its means our player can string 5 passes together would being afraid that oscar might lose the ball, AGAIN.

I would love to see all of his "tackles" and which area of the pitch they are made. Are these tackles anything likebthe one he made in the first spurs goal? Willian is a far better player to do the defensive bull work than oscar is. The amount of times willian is down on the wing savong iva's ass is proof of that.

Oscar has had his chanceS (capital S). Too many if u ask me. Its been 3 years of excuses(and stupid ones at that). Its time someone else gets a real shot at it. Both willian and cesc are awesome candidates and better than oscar and should without a dount be given a clear go.

[borriske 330]

In 2012 I predicted he would become a better player than Eden Hazard. With the help of my friends and family I have since been able to overcome my crack addiction

That's no excuse

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

so you are telling me that willian dint play thru the center and as a no.10 against city? Wow.. don't know what match u saw.

These goals and assists that u talk of, are they any like the ones against newcastle? Where he taps in a goal made up by willian and iva? Don't think willian got an assist for that. Also, we don't rwally need a 25 mil player to tap in and play horendous all through the game. Or maybe those goals and asists are like against swansea where he got 2 goals and an asist but has done NOTHING for us. And when I say NOTHING, I mean nothing. Passing hold up play, defensive play... NOTHING. So you see, I would take a couple of fewer goals if its means our player can string 5 passes together would being afraid that oscar might lose the ball, AGAIN.

I would love to see all of his "tackles" and which area of the pitch they are made. Are these tackles anything likebthe one he made in the first spurs goal? Willian is a far better player to do the defensive bull work than oscar is. The amount of times willian is down on the wing savong iva's ass is proof of that.

Oscar has had his chanceS (capital S). Too many if u ask me. Its been 3 years of excuses(and stupid ones at that). Its time someone else gets a real shot at it. Both willian and cesc are awesome candidates and better than oscar and should without a dount be given a clear go.

Like I said before its very hard to say exactly what the shape was since we played mostly on the counter anyway. But having said that I still for the life of me don't see where in that game Willian "bossed it" If my memory serves me Matic was MotM with Luiz playing an integral role and Hazard in scintillating form. I'm still struggling to find where the phrase Bossed it and Willian meet?

you seem to suffer from short term memory let me help you with that.

I must've miscounted too Oscar has 30 goals for Chelsea in less than 3 yrs...

And anyone who actually watches Chelsea play regularly and don't have some wack agenda against Oscar can tell you he gets stuck in way more than Willian does. To compare the two in that regard not only shows how little you've actually been paying attention but also how terribly biased you've become in your tirade.

Oscar is by no means the article when you think of a 10, he has warts, but discrediting his contributions to the squad show you either have a shallow IQ for the game or that you can't set aside your ego and judge a player objectively. I know which category you fall under and its pretty sad... I guy who usually has decent things to say about football can't set his ego aside online.

[Jase 43,479]

Non taken.

I agree with you, PSG, Real, Bayern and Barca won't be interested. But I doubt Juve is in that group. They still remember how he kicked their ass in the CL few seasons ago, and after seeing Salah eat lighting and crapping thunder, they will sniff around for sure. Pirlo is 35, Marchisio 29, Pogba and Vidal could leave...they could use a midfielder. If I was in their position, and Pogba was looking to leave, and would focus my effort in trying to steal Oscar from Chelsea and still earn some money, simple as that.

The two wonder goals aside, not sure he really did much otherwise against Juventus and certainly no big club would want him when you see his performance against Southampton. Was almost non-existent like half of his other matches here.

[robsblubot 3,595]

He was abysmal today, no if ands or buts about it. I still love him but todays performance is inexcusable... The people who want him out of the club will be barking loudly today, not just in 24pt font size either.

Willian, Oscar and Fabregas have been well off the pace for some time now and its becoming a bit of a concern. We aren't creating any chances and that's coming down to those three players not doing enough in attack. This is an Oscar thread so expect to hear how poor he was when you visit it...

My only allegiance is to the badge, Oscar, for whatever the reason, hasn't been up to snuff lately and something has to give. He is still a decent buy for the quoted price of 19.35m but having said that he still needs to do more than run about. He's not even making a nuisance of himself anymore, not getting stuck in. When he plays like that his offensive deficiencies are less of an issue, because his work rate is helping the team keep shape. When we don't get that from him he has a negative impact on the team.

Just need to be careful shipping players away as soon as they are in a slump or they may hurt us later. Or they will develop elsewhere and people who wanted them gone will say "oops my bad" bc they don't have a stake in the game.

Aren't we all complaining about the small squad which prevents Jose from rotating? And yet KDB is gone, so is Andre and Salah with just one Cuadrado in.

If Oscar is underperforming, then it's really up to the manager to start someone else - simple really. Oscar does not pick the team. If and when he recovers his form, then he can be rotated in and then start if consistent enough... Jose doesn't seem to work like that though, as he plays the same set of players in both cup and CL.

Sometimes I'm confused as to what people here are complaining about... is it Oscar or Jose for starting him? I am sure Oscar wanted to be playing better... at the very least like he was at the start of the season?

Oscar is like many young promising players: has very good moments and then a dip in form. Not really different from any young player out there. If Fabregas, a senior, is allowed to play like shit for so long why shouldn't a far younger player?

[didierforever 7,349]

Like I said before its very hard to say exactly what the shape was since we played mostly on the counter anyway. But having said that I still for the life of me don't see where in that game Willian "bossed it" If my memory serves me Matic was MotM with Luiz playing an integral role and Hazard in scintillating form. I'm still struggling to find where the phrase Bossed it and Willian meet?

you seem to suffer from short term memory let me help you with that.

I must've miscounted too Oscar has 30 goals for Chelsea in less than 3 yrs...

And anyone who actually watches Chelsea play regularly and don't have some wack agenda against Oscar can tell you he gets stuck in way more than Willian does. To compare the two in that regard not only shows how little you've actually been paying attention but also how terribly biased you've become in your tirade.

Oscar is by no means the article when you think of a 10, he has warts, but discrediting his contributions to the squad show you either have a shallow IQ for the game or that you can't set aside your ego and judge a player objectively. I know which category you fall under and its pretty sad... I guy who usually has decent things to say about football can't set his ego aside online.

Hahhahahhahahahha... like I said, an oscar fan can never fail to disappoint. So now its just my ego that makes oscar useless. Was it my ego that is saying that oscar has been pretty average, scratch thay, pretty WANK for the last 3 months, scratch that, 3 years since he has been playing with us. This is a player who pretty much has nothing in his game. Not even a decent first touch, no link up play, no hold up play, no passing. Even fellaini can be useful sometimes cos u can ping up the ball to him but that's not even an option with oscar. The best supposed aspect of his game is goal scoring but consideting how poor his overall game is, these 10 goals per season seem such a poor poor trade off consideting all the things we seem to be losing.

As for being biased, I am. I want chelsea to succeed and having this guy as a starter means impeding the primary objective. You don't need to be biased or have an agenda to see that this guy is not chelsea quality. Infact if u don', u might have an agenda urself. Trying to justify his contribution with goals means NOTHING. For god's sake, torres scored 23 goals in 2012-13 and we all know how shit he was and how much we regressed. Its the same with this guy. He is absolutelt redundant. And probablt the fact that he is replaced so easily in a big match shows that we should not have any problem whatsoever in replacing his meagre contributions.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Just need to be careful shipping players away as soon as they are in a slump or they may hurt us later. Or they will develop elsewhere and people who wanted them gone will say "oops my bad" bc they don't have a stake in the game.

Aren't we all complaining about the small squad which prevents Jose from rotating? And yet KDB is gone, so is Andre and Salah with just one Cuadrado in.

If Oscar is underperforming, then it's really up to the manager to start someone else - simple really. Oscar does not pick the team. If and when he recovers his form, then he can be rotated in and then start if consistent enough... Jose doesn't seem to work like that though, as he plays the same set of players in both cup and CL.

Sometimes I'm confused as to what people here are complaining about... is it Oscar or Jose for starting him? I am sure Oscar wanted to be playing better... at the very least like he was at the start of the season?

Oscar is like many young promising players: has very good moments and then a dip in form. Not really different from any young player out there. If Fabregas, a senior, is allowed to play like shit for so long why shouldn't a far younger player?

Both. Oscar for playing like crap and Jose for continuing to play him.

Because that "far younger player" is having his third season in a row where he's had "a dip in form" for most of the second part of the season. Also he's not THAT young anymore. He's gonna be 24 in september.

The way you talk about him makes it seem like he some 18 y old kid having his first season of professional football. 3rd season here and he's shown almost no signs of improving even though he's been getting regular playing time.

Patience has run out with him.

Now personally i'm fine with keeping him as a squad player but he definitely shouldn't be a starter for us next season.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Hahhahahhahahahha... like I said, an oscar fan can never fail to disappoint. So now its just my ego that makes oscar useless. Was it my ego that is saying that oscar has been pretty average, scratch thay, pretty WANK for the last 3 months, scratch that, 3 years since he has been playing with us. This is a player who pretty much has nothing in his game. Not even a decent first touch, no link up play, no hold up play, no passing. Even fellaini can be useful sometimes cos u can ping up the ball to him but that's not even an option with oscar. The best supposed aspect of his game is goal scoring but consideting how poor his overall game is, these 10 goals per season seem such a poor poor trade off consideting all the things we seem to be losing.

As for being biased, I am. I want chelsea to succeed and having this guy as a starter means impeding the primary objective. You don't need to be biased or have an agenda to see that this guy is not chelsea quality. Infact if u don', u might have an agenda urself. Trying to justify his contribution with goals means NOTHING. For god's sake, torres scored 23 goals in 2012-13 and we all know how shit he was and how much we regressed. Its the same with this guy. He is absolutelt redundant. And probablt the fact that he is replaced so easily in a big match shows that we should not have any problem whatsoever in replacing his meagre contributions.

For the record I'm not an Oscar fan, I'm a Chelsea fan, I've always said players come and go and the badge endures... Since I am a Chelsea fan I support our squad and I'm not dumb enough to expect consistency from a player who is 23 not considered world class. He is struggling but I'm not the type to come online trying to protect my ego by spewing nothing but negative comments for a player who scores for my club and assists for my club and plays hard for my club. You are entitled to your opinion, like a few others here you seem hellbent to drive home you don't like him and you look like a complete tool doing it too. No one in their right mind can say Willian has made more contributions to the team than Oscar... Anyone who does I would call a moron. And why are you talking about Fellaini now? of course Fellaini has value and use, just because he's not world class doesn't mean he can't function within a team.

The best aspect of Oscar's game is not his goalscoring (though I can understand why you think that way since he does have a knack for it) but is work rate and his ability to get stuck in all over the pitch. If you really think the reason he's in the squad is because of his goalscoring than you clearly have no clue about what Jose wants his first place club to play like. Before Jose, Mata had 18 goals and a boatload of assists, you think Jose doesn't understand the value of such a player? He chose Oscar because when the goals aren't flying in he's still useful to the team and works.

Glad you finally admit your bias! We're finally getting somewhere now! When we had what many people considered the best 10 in the prem we finished 6th and 3rd. You'd be happy to know with Oscar the team went from 3rd to 1st. So if all you want is for Chelsea to succeed look no further than the standings! With Oscar as our 10 we're right where we want to be. He's not solely responsible but he's not solely to blame as to why we're not better. Its a TEAM everyone has a function within the team philosophy! No amount of minutes playing FIFA 15 can get you to grasp this concept but please believe me it exists! There is a method to this perceived madness and we're reaping the benefits of it this year.

And for the record I wasn't trying to justify his contributions through goals, you made the assertion that Willian can do everything that Oscar can which is clearly a myth that I've exposed. I've clearly said that Oscar, when in his top form contributes both offensively and defensively, the sad part about what we're seeing from him now is he's not giving us much of anything at either end. You're not gonna see me argue against that, he's been poor... Do I think he's shit? hell no! he's Chelsea player working for Jose Mourinho, I know even if I can't see it that the kid adds value to the squad(I do see it)

You have no concept of how Jose likes to play so I'm jut gonna leave it with this. Whether you choose to agree or disagree is up to you I'm not gonna battle ignorance and arrogance in a few paragraphs... When Chelsea want to play expansive football Oscar is in the 10, when Chelsea want to play compact football Ramires plays either 8 or 7. That is about as obvious to anyone who has even watched half a season of Mourinho at Chelsea. Its not about big game players, its about big game shape. He did the same thing with Ozil right after calling him the best 10 in the world and few could argue there was a time when Ozil was right up there.

So please give it a rest! The most important aspect in all of this is he plays for Chelsea and we all want him to succeed! At least I do! And writing 10 posts a day about why you hate him so much and why you think Isco is what we need isn't gonna make it so... Oscar is our 10! We are winning the Premier League so there really isn't much room for argument, clearly what we're doing is working so why not enjoy rather than bitch and moan about the things you have absolutely no control over? Just some advice...

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

Just need to be careful shipping players away as soon as they are in a slump or they may hurt us later. Or they will develop elsewhere and people who wanted them gone will say "oops my bad" bc they don't have a stake in the game.

Aren't we all complaining about the small squad which prevents Jose from rotating? And yet KDB is gone, so is Andre and Salah with just one Cuadrado in.

If Oscar is underperforming, then it's really up to the manager to start someone else - simple really. Oscar does not pick the team. If and when he recovers his form, then he can be rotated in and then start if consistent enough... Jose doesn't seem to work like that though, as he plays the same set of players in both cup and CL.

Sometimes I'm confused as to what people here are complaining about... is it Oscar or Jose for starting him? I am sure Oscar wanted to be playing better... at the very least like he was at the start of the season?

Oscar is like many young promising players: has very good moments and then a dip in form. Not really different from any young player out there. If Fabregas, a senior, is allowed to play like shit for so long why shouldn't a far younger player?

I don't want him gone at all! I think he has great value when in his prime mode. The problem many have here is he needs to find more consistency which I would bet isn't the easiest thing when he's running all over the pitch. He definitely needs to be in better shape if he's gonna be the player we need him to be on a consistent basis, on current form he doesn't seem to have the stamina to play his game for the duration of the season.

The squad is without question lacking depth but high end depth isn't cheap and we aren't exactly swimming in cash... We basically went with a small squad so we can get the right players in. It makes it hard to compete on all fronts but the reality is we are a very good XI and have a few holes to plug on the bench.

Oscar, of all the attacking players has been rotated the most. He's not the only one struggling for form but he is the one often on the bench... Jose needs more options but options are expensive and how many games do high end subs get in order to justify paying upwards of 25m+ for them? its not easy to keep everyone happy.

Again you're not telling me anything I haven't observed for myself! I realize that he isn't the only one struggling but his case it different to that of Cesc mainly because we have a few more options there than we do in the DLP role.

[mikeholiday 209]

On another day he could have won us the game with that solid chance he had. Foster was solid to be fair. Think he's taller than Tibo.. Definitely wider..