stroey 2,525 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Love Ramires he's without question the perfect squad player!Perfect big game player, we haven't lost a big game with him starting this season. If he starts scoring goals again, even better. Rambo-Matic-Cesc is our best set up in CL. CFC888 and didierforever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Perfect big game player, we haven't lost a big game with him starting this season. If he starts scoring goals again, even better.Rambo-Matic-Cesc is our best set up in CL.I think its based on the opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I think its based on the opponent.Yeah obviously not in the group games, but in knock out rounds I'd always go with that midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Yeah obviously not in the group games, but in knock out rounds I'd always go with that midfield.Depends on the game still. If we are down 3-1 ans need to score goals in the second leg I'd play Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Almost every single source has it that we paid £25m for Oscar.Question for you. When we bought Oscar, what expectations did you have for him? Because many viewed him alongside with Hazard as our future stars. He isn't looking like he'll ever be as important as Eden to us though.He was part of the cringe worthy "three amigos" "mazacar" so you are definitely right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! lionsden 4,689 Posted March 3, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted March 3, 2015 Ramires has done far more for Chelsea than Oscar ever as. the disrespect of the former is quite shameful. He was the players player of the year in 2012 and many thought should have won the chelsea POTY that year instead of Mata. he was also quite instrumental in our CL win and has performed consistently well for us bar his first couple of months here and 2nd part of last season. He has proven to be a much more reliable and valuable asset for the team than Oscar. If it came down to it, there's no logical reason to keep oscar at the expense of ramires.in layman's term I will sell Oscar before i ever consider selling ramires. Sir Mikel OBE, Azul, Shaan and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Question for you. When we bought Oscar, what expectations did you have for him? Because many viewed him alongside with Hazard as our future stars. He isn't looking like he'll ever be as important as Eden to us though.I had no expectation actually I knew nothing about him before we purchased him. He's been very good though if you ask me! He's definitely increased his value and is worth more than the 19.35m we paid for him...Hey man you're more than within your right to demand more from him, I want more too, just think you guy have placed unrealistic expectations on him because he's the "Brazilian 10" He works hard for the team and scores important goals, that's enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Well, any player will struggle to show his best if they're not playing weeks in weeks out. He is play today, dropped next match, play again next, dropped again, dropped again, play again.See how Salah doing at Fio, weaker league aside? that's what you get from playing regularly.So unfortunate for Oscar, against particular opponents, Jose prefer more a system that doesn't need Oscar style of play. I don't have a complain though as it is for the team first what is most important.Also in addition, he just signed the extension for 5 more year not long time ago, so whether you have to 'accept' that he will be stick around for a while now, or you will be 'forced dying to accept' that later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Well, any player will struggle to show his best if they're not playing weeks in weeks out. He is play today, dropped next match, play again next, dropped again, dropped again, play again.See how Salah doing at Fio, weaker league aside? that's what you get from playing regularly.So unfortunate for Oscar, against particular opponents, Jose prefer more a system that doesn't need Oscar style of play. I don't have a complain though as it is for the team first what is most important.Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with his consistency and importance to the team?. Why aren't the likes of Hazard,matic,JT et al going through the same predicament. The reality is Oscar is nothing more than a squad player at this point and rightly so. We can't be giving out handouts to perennial underperformers. Every player should earn their place in the team and Oscar hasn't done enough to earn a regular starting berth.And God knows he's had ridiculous amount of chances over the last 3 years to cement his place as an indisputable starter. stroey, didierforever, Ainsley Harriott and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with his consistency and importance to the team?. Why aren't the likes of Hazard,matic,JT et al going through the same predicament. The reality is Oscar is nothing more than a squad player at this point and rightly so. We can't be giving out handouts to perennial underperformers. Every player should earn their place in the team and Oscar hasn't done enough to earn a regular starting berth.and despite the rather false claim he's still one of our most played/featured players over the last 3 seasons.maybe you could be right, because we never know what is his 'problem' actually (physical condition, sickness, his minds, etc). But for sure he is not getting regular playing time, and that didn't help him at all. As I wrote in my 3rd paragraph, I think it is almost sure because Jose preferred another system when playing particular opponents (big teams away), to get the points. Jose could stubbornly played Oscar in 4231 formation in every match, and I think we will get 'Tottenham away score' when playing City away, Liverpool away for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Well Internacional's accounting firm have it at 19.35M, I don't see a reason why they would lie. Also if you look at Oscar's Amortized fee there is no way its 25m we paid for him.Can you link me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFC888 219 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Ramires has done far more for Chelsea than Oscar ever as. the disrespect of the former is quite shameful. He was the players player of the year in 2012 and many thought should have won the chelsea POTY that year instead of Mata. he was also quite instrumental in our CL win and has performed consistently well for us bar his first couple of months here and 2nd part of last season. He has proven to be a much more reliable and valuable asset for the team than Oscar. If it came down to it, there's no logical reason to keep oscar at the expense of ramires.in layman's term I will sell Oscar before i ever consider selling ramires.No shit Ramires has done more for us, because he's 3 and a half years older and has been here for 2 years longer! And please do enlighten me as to who exactly was 'disrespecting' Ramires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 maybe you could be right, because we never know what is his 'problem' actually (physical condition, sickness, his minds, etc). But for sure he is not getting regular playing time, and that didn't help him at all. As I wrote in my 3rd paragraph, I think it is almost sure because Jose preferred another system when playing particular opponents (big teams away), to get the points. Jose could stubbornly played Oscar in 4231 formation in every match, and I think we will get 'Tottenham away score' when playing City away, Liverpool away for example.Please, Oscar has clocked nearly 2000 minutes this season, he's played regularly enough.The Mo Salah analogy is poor, I doubt Salah even got 2000 minutes in his whole CFC career. stroey, lionsden and didierforever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Please, Oscar has clocked nearly 2000 minutes this season, he's played regularly enough.The Mo Salah analogy is poor, I doubt Salah even got 2000 minutes in his whole CFC career.Where do you get that minutes from? how it is compared with other starter players?My point is that when away he is not very often playing, if he is given enough time also while playing away, his goals and assist tally will be much better, but the risks is we could lose some matches, because our attacking formation leaves holes here and there. You choose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azul 1,615 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 I'd replace him with a CM like Pogba. I think our team will function better if we use 4-3-3. didierforever, xPetrCechx and RoyalBlues 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Where do you get that minutes from? how it is compared with other starter players?My point is that when away he is not very often playing, if he is given enough time also while playing away, his goals and assist tally will be much better, but the risks is we could lose some matches, because our attacking formation leaves holes here and there. You choose.Because in those games we can only afford one of Oscar and Cesc and Cesc should always play since he only need one pass to decide a game. Oscar did play some of those games and we've seen what happened against United and Spurs away. Our midfield got completely dominated. didierforever and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Can you link me?http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_%28footballer,_born_1991%29 Read the Chelsea section. http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/10/16/6968855/chelsea-ffp-databaseHis amortized fee is 6.5m meaning his salary for a 5yr contract and transfer fee combined is averaged to be 6.5 total. If he was purchased for 25m his salary makes him grossly underpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,570 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 If Mou can't trust him in big games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Because in those games we can only afford one of Oscar and Cesc and Cesc should always play since he only need one pass to decide a game. Oscar did play some of those games and we've seen what happened against United and Spurs away. Our midfield got completely dominated.Yes, it has been discussed though, it is the system preferred by Jose, he doesn't want to take a risk by putting offensive formation to make sure grab some points in certain matches. So I completely understand the decision to dropped Oscar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 If Mou can't trust him in big games...who on earth said Mourinho doesnt trust him in big games??? he started against Man City at Home, Liverpool at Home in the coc and away in the pL, Spurs home and away and Man United away. so please explain how Mourinho doesnt trust him in big games?Fact is in the games where Mourinho wants to play 4-3-3 of course the number 10 would get dropped for an extra Midfielder, usually Ramires or Mikel. So i have no idea where you think Jose doesnt trust him from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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