Eden Hazard

[Costa19 858]

Doesnt look like a £100m + player in Madrid. Fraud they say 

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Honest question: are we missing him right now?

 

[Costa19 858]

21 minutes ago, BlueLion. said:

Honest question: are we missing him right now?

 

Right now in RM he is just transporting the ball 5-10 meters and then pass backwards. Empty of confidence and burst of speed, something he used to have here. 

I dont miss him a bit and i hope he has a nightmare in Madrid.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

49 minutes ago, Costa19 said:

Right now in RM he is just transporting the ball 5-10 meters and then pass backwards. Empty of confidence and burst of speed, something he used to have here. 

I dont miss him a bit and i hope he has a nightmare in Madrid.

I don't wish him any negativity at all. But watching our style of play this season, whilst he would obviously be a step up on Willian or Pedro right now, I don't think he is missed even half as much as we feared. 

[the wes 7,212]

Marc Andre Ter Stegen has more assists than Eden Hazard this season. 

 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

1 hour ago, BlueLion. said:

I don't wish him any negativity at all. But watching our style of play this season, whilst he would obviously be a step up on Willian or Pedro right now, I don't think he is missed even half as much as we feared. 

He's only missed because he is a better finisher/dribbler than any of our wingers. But his style of play may have slowed down our tempo under Lamps

[milka 3,344]

how long it will take them to turn against him 

no one will love you like Chelsea fans  , Hazard ...... 

 

[Vesper 28,768]

34 minutes ago, milka said:

how long it will take them to turn against him 

no one will love you like Chelsea fans  , Hazard ...... 

 

a few more games like yesterday's and they are going to start to become 

 

 

 

[ulvhedin 507]

9 hours ago, BlueLion. said:

Honest question: are we missing him right now?

 

It depends, none of our winger are on his level, however we won't be contending for any serious title this season so it was a perfect time to move on from him, especially for 100m. But he could be a difference between getting or not the 4th place.

[NikkiCFC 7,942]

We lost him and our first strikers last season Morata/Higuain and everyone was concerned from where our goals will come. I remember discussion here in the summer and even Souness after United game said we don't have enough goals in our squad for top4. But as a team we play very good offensively and we don't miss him at all. And we can only improve from here expecially with Pulisic and CHO. 

[Jase 43,479]

Uh oh...

[Vesper 28,768]

47 minutes ago, Jason said:

Uh oh...

All those brutal tackles are adding up,

In a prefect situ, he would have been under contract for 3 more years and would have left NEXT summer, when he was 5 or so months away from turning 30, as I have serous doubts he does much beyond 30 years of age, 31 max. He has taking an absolute beating the last 10 or 11 seasons. That shit adds up. Look at yank football running backs (granted, much more vicious contact) whose average career in the NFL s  is under 3 years (2.57 years in the NFL!), and 95% who never have great seasons once they hit 29yo max (and those are rare) In the last 20 years, out of over 1000 rostered running backs, NINE have had 230 PPR plus seasons when they were over 29, none over 31yo (6 30 yo's, and 3 31 yo's)

Eden's style of play is the association football version of a running back.

[robsblubot 3,502]

26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

All those brutal tackles are adding up,

In a prefect situ, he would have been under contract for 3 more years and would have left NEXT summer, when he was 5 or so months away from turning 30, as I have serous doubts he does much beyond 30 years of age, 31 max. He has taking an absolute beating the last 10 or 11 seasons. That shit adds up. Look at yank football running backs (granted, much more vicious contact) whose average career in the NFL s  is under 3 years (2.57 years in the NFL!), and 95% who never have great seasons once they hit 29yo max (and those are rare) In the last 20 years, out of over 1000 rostered running backs, NINE have had 230 PPR plus seasons when they were over 29, none over 31yo (6 30 yo's, and 3 31 yo's)

Eden's style of play is the association football version of a running back.

As a fan of both footballs, I could not disagree more. And honestly, sounds like yet another excuse for eden to not be producing the goods as some here have predicted.

running-backs run into contention and do not really avoid contact, often thru the middle. Can’t think of a player who protects himself more than eden. And he mostly stays on the left avoiding contention. Just kick him good in the beginning of the game and he will vanish.

once again, I find it interesting that we don’t link his often mentioned lack of determination, on and off the pitch, to avoiding hard tackles and protecting himself. It is the same determination. The very thing that allows Ronaldo to compete against Messi and prevents, because he lacks that, eden from getting anywhere that level.

[Vesper 28,768]

1 hour ago, Robchels said:

As a fan of both footballs, I could not disagree more. And honestly, sounds like yet another excuse for eden to not be producing the goods as some here have predicted.

running-backs run into contention and do not really avoid contact, often thru the middle. Can’t think of a player who protects himself more than eden. And he mostly stays on the left avoiding contention. Just kick him good in the beginning of the game and he will vanish.

once again, I find it interesting that we don’t link his often mentioned lack of determination, on and off the pitch, to avoiding hard tackles and protecting himself. It is the same determination. The very thing that allows Ronaldo to compete against Messi and prevents, because he lacks that, eden from getting anywhere that level.

I never said that that was his only issue. He has always been streets behind Messi and CR7, he was never even in the same postal code. 

He will never posses their drive to win and excel. It is just part of his make-up. I still think he will go down as a top 10 to 15 overall player for the 2010's though.

[Blue Armour 4,278]

2 hours ago, Robchels said:

As a fan of both footballs, I could not disagree more. And honestly, sounds like yet another excuse for eden to not be producing the goods as some here have predicted.

running-backs run into contention and do not really avoid contact, often thru the middle. Can’t think of a player who protects himself more than eden. And he mostly stays on the left avoiding contention. Just kick him good in the beginning of the game and he will vanish.

once again, I find it interesting that we don’t link his often mentioned lack of determination, on and off the pitch, to avoiding hard tackles and protecting himself. It is the same determination. The very thing that allows Ronaldo to compete against Messi and prevents, because he lacks that, eden from getting anywhere that level.

You must be thinking of a handful of games, like those he had against United when thugs like Young and Herrera tried to do a number on him.

Other than those few examples, how can you say that he shied away from tackles? There's a reason he was the most fouled player in the league when he was here.

And that earlier comment on here by @Costa19 sounds just wrong. How can you wish ill will on a player who contributed so much when he was here? For 7 years at that! Not sure how his Madrid exploits can bother you. 

[robsblubot 3,502]

22 hours ago, Vesper said:

I never said that that was his only issue. He has always been streets behind Messi and CR7, he was never even in the same postal code. 

He will never posses their drive to win and excel. It is just part of his make-up. I still think he will go down as a top 10 to 15 overall player for the 2010's though.

fair enough, you rate him a lot higher than I do. Just can't imagine a player like eden as a running back.  Only if food. 

21 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

You must be thinking of a handful of games, like those he had against United when thugs like Young and Herrera tried to do a number on him.

Other than those few examples, how can you say that he shied away from tackles? There's a reason he was the most fouled player in the league when he was here.

And that earlier comment on here by @Costa19 sounds just wrong. How can you wish ill will on a player who contributed so much when he was here? For 7 years at that! Not sure how his Madrid exploits can bother you. 

Nah, sorry, I don't think eden exposed himself often. Can only think of Ronaldinho as a player less likely to go into tackles. Eden never showed that extra effort, a sliding tackle to win the ball or to finish. For me he is extremely laid back on the pitch. He only plays at this level because of his talent esp close control. Most of his injuries were muscle, not from tackles: https://www.transfermarkt.us/eden-hazard/verletzungen/spieler/50202

For all his antics, compare that with Neymar: https://www.transfermarkt.us/neymar/verletzungen/spieler/68290 

All these skillful players protect themselves, it's part of it, but once in a while, in important games, they need to show that extra determination. E.g. CL matches... Eden never did. He never gets angry in adversity. I have a hard time liking players who lack determination. Even though I think neymar is more of a match winning type, I think he lacks that as well.

[1905didierblue 748]

If it only took a couple of kicks at the start of the match to keep Eden quite, he would not be one of the best players in the world.what an obnoxious to even say.

The guy is world class. One of the best players to have EVER played for Chelsea. And one of the best to have ever played in PL. Without a shred of doubt. 

The minimum we can do is show him some respect rather than making OTT remarks.

He gave us the best years of his life. Carrying the team this whole time. The guy had contributed in 50% of the goals in PL for us (goals and assists).

[robsblubot 3,502]

9 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

If it only took a couple of kicks at the start of the match to keep Eden quite, he would not be one of the best players in the world.what an obnoxious to even say.

The guy is world class. One of the best players to have EVER played for Chelsea. And one of the best to have ever played in PL. Without a shred of doubt. 

The minimum we can do is show him some respect rather than making OTT remarks.

He gave us the best years of his life. Carrying the team this whole time. The guy had contributed in 50% of the goals in PL for us (goals and assists).

What a preachy post. Kinda silly one too in a discussion forum. Might as well lock all player threads then. Imagine if we were to disrespect any of our players esp the ones who won us silverware... still waiting for you in the alonso thread.  

nobody said he’s not world class. That he’s not one of the best, esp at Chelsea. I’m comparing him with other great players! Which is something people do in discussion forums...  

eden was great in the PL. Never did shit in CL and that’s typical of players who lack determination to withstand the physicality that these single-elimination games bring.

At least that’s what I saw on and off the pitch all these years. He’s a guy who shows up fat after getting his dream job. I thought his injury record that I posted was interesting as a data point, I guess not.