Eden Hazard

[LAM09 6,814]

1 hour ago, Belgiannutt said:

Either follow the conversation properly or stfu. I said he's been poor in march (4 weeks) onemosalah said he's been poor since january so i then brought up his stats clearly showing he has been performing in january and february.
He still scored more goals then any other Chelsea player in 2018.  Even Willian in the form of his life didn't score as much.

Might be helpful if you drop the bias your name alludes too.

He's been poor all year, so my point about his stats still stands. His only notable performance this year was against the team way adrift in 20th. Stop trying to defend the indefensible and I couldn't care less about Willian's output or lack of in HAZARD'S thread.
 

 

[OneMoSalah 8,799]

2 minutes ago, Belgiannutt said:

Just pointless discussing things with you. 

Jumpy ? I simply get irritated when people say stupid things but enough, i'm done, wasted enough time. 

 

What do you mean? There are more than enough points there to discuss, how many big games since the turn of the year has he shown up in? What did he do vs Arsenal other than scoring a penalty? Maybe he showed up for 25 mins vs United? He was a no show v City (where he sat walking about with his arms in the air more often than not complaining), same in the games against Barca and yesterday. Throw in those games vs Bournemouth and Watford and you have got what 7 or 8 games in total where he has been pretty poor since the turn of the year. If people are seriously thinking if he goes in the summer that this club will be fucked then they are wrong. If people seriously think Real Madrid are going to prioritise signing him over Neymar they are also very wrong, lets be very honest. 

Irritated? I get quite irritated when members like yourself and that other bloke from yesterday sit there and give all this 'I'm done wasting enough time' over what many people on here seem to think is a valid thing to discuss, a lack of big game performances in the most crucial part of our season. Since the start of this year I've seen other forum members bring this up and until he does something to change opinions in this regard it will continue to be brought up. Lets be frank if this was Willian or Pedro they would get absolutely slated and guys like yourself would be right at the front of the cue. Now if we want to talk about him playing against the smaller teams or even bring up his big performances from last season yes fair enough, but we are going to be playing Europa League football next season without a doubt by the looks of it, the big games have cost us this year, the whole team is to blame but to sit there and protect Eden as if he was a one man army in these big games is utterly ridiculous. Willian for example playing arguably the best football of his career in a tough period for the team, fair enough maybe it was just a purple patch but still it was more productive than what he showed in that time. Other people have also been criticising other players, Cesc, Morata, Christensen, Cahill, Courtois, Bakayoko... but when it comes to Eden there is some sort of we are lucky to have him feeling, maybe we are maybe we aren't but regardless in the most crucial matches of this season he has flattered to deceive. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,952]

Probably needs to have a bit more of that Christiano selfish arsehole streak to be a true great

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

8 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Probably needs to have a bit more of that Christiano selfish arsehole streak to be a true great

The only thing he needs to to be a true great is to leave Chelsea and go to a team that plays possession based, attacking football, is littered with world class, technically gifted players and  plays to his strengths.

[Fulham Broadway 16,952]

2 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

The only thing he needs to to be a true great is to leave Chelsea and go to a team that plays possession based, attacking football, is littered with world class, technically gifted players and  plays to his strengths.

Such as ?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

16 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Such as ?

Madrid, City, Bayern, Barcelona, PSG. Even Spurs and Liverpool have a superior philosophy to us. Our approach in big games is still the same ol' sit deep and wait rudimentary counter-attack. Hardly any of the other top players in the world play for such a team. 

Which brings me to another concern I have. See how many of our transfer targets turned us down last summer. They'll have seen the type of football Chelsea is known for and would have wanted no parts of it. Danilo would rather join last year's 4th place team as a reserve full back than join the Champions and be a likely starter. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,952]

7 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Madrid, City, Bayern, Barcelona, PSG. Even Spurs and Liverpool have a superior philosophy to us. Our approach in big games is still the same ol' sit deep and wait rudimentary counter-attack. Hardly any of the other top players in the world play for such a team. 

Which brings me to another concern I have. See how many of our transfer targets turned us down last summer. They'll have seen the type of football Chelsea is known for and would have wanted no parts of it. Danilo would rather join last year's 4th place team as a reserve full back than join the Champions and be a likely starter. 

Well it would be fucking beyond idiotic to sell him to a rival - but not beyond the wisdom of the board as we know.

If he wants to go, fuck it let him go to Madrid, take the cash and give Hudson a chance

[Tomo 21,733]

2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

2 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

4 goals 1 assist in january (7 games). 3 goals 2 assists in february (4 games). 7 goals and 3 assists in 2018.

7 goals in 19 games certainly isn't good enough for someone that's supposed to be amongst the best.

For an unselfish winger that's a very good return.

[LAM09 6,814]

For an unselfish winger that's a very good return.

I presume only 3 assists is solely down to his supporting cast as well? 

 

 

 

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

40 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

I presume only 3 assists is solely down to his supporting cast as well? 

 

 

 

Assists can go either way. David Silva and Ozil have had seasons or have gone stretches with very low assists. Iniesta barely has any assists even in his best seasons but no one can doubt his creative output. It's not really the best reflection of creativity because you are dependent on your teammates actually scoring from your passing.

That's why nowadays football people tend to look at "chances created" which is basically a pass that leads to a goal scoring opportunity/ and "key passes" which in an amalgamation of created chances and assists. Neverthless Hazard does have 11 assists this season in all competitions which is the joint 1st highest in our team (with Willian). 

[Tomo 21,733]

6 hours ago, DDA said:

I can unserstand people defending his ability but to defend his performances this season is madness. I guess if you feel completing 3 out of 6 backheels on the spin is an acheivement.. then yh he has been immense.

All season? Bit late for an April fools joke.

From his return from injury upto early December he was arguably in the best form of his whole career, he was 10/10 against Atletico twice, Roma and United, was excellent at Anfield alongside games like WBA, Qarabag, Newcastle. December and January he wasn't as good as previous months but still pretty good, since then admittedly for his standards he has been off, but yesterday he still created more chances than the rest of the team put together and if you could find stats for who has created the most chances since February i bet he will be top 5, minimum top 10 despite a little dip.

[LAM09 6,814]

13 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Assists can go either way. David Silva and Ozil have had seasons or have gone stretches with very low assists. Iniesta barely has any assists even in his best seasons but no one can doubt his creative output. It's not really the best reflection of creativity because you are dependent on your teammates actually scoring from your passing.

That's why nowadays football people tend to look at "chances created" which is basically a pass that leads to a goal scoring opportunity/ and "key passes" which in an amalgamation of created chances and assists. Neverthless Hazard does have 10 assists this season in all competitions which is the joint 1st highest in our team (with Willian). 

We're at a point where people are just defending him regardless of his lack of contribution in umpteenth games that have a notable significance to others. I'd loved to see those two stats in regards to our games against Barcelona, City, Utd, Arsenal & Tottenham. These are the games where he is supposed to be showing the drastic difference in class amongst our squad, let alone the best in European football.

Getting tired of hearing the same things from certain individuals about him deserving better, too good for the club or being exempt from criticism.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

30 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Assists can go either way. David Silva and Ozil have had seasons or have gone stretches with very low assists. Iniesta barely has any assists even in his best seasons but no one can doubt his creative output. It's not really the best reflection of creativity because you are dependent on your teammates actually scoring from your passing.

That's why nowadays football people tend to look at "chances created" which is basically a pass that leads to a goal scoring opportunity/ and "key passes" which in an amalgamation of created chances and assists. Neverthless Hazard does have 11 assists this season in all competitions which is the joint 1st highest in our team (with Willian). 

What do you mean?

De Bruyne in the Premier League:

17-18: 14 assists and counting

16-17: 21 assists

De Bruyne in the Bundes Liga:

14-15: 21 assists

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

13 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

We're at a point where people are just defending him regardless of his lack of contribution in umpteenth games that have a notable significance to others. I'd loved to see those two stats in regards to our games against Barcelona, City, Utd, Arsenal & Tottenham. These are the games where he is supposed to be showing the drastic difference in class amongst our squad, let alone the best in European football.

Getting tired of hearing the same things from certain individuals about him deserving better, too good for the club or being exempt from criticism.

Let's be honest the platform just isn't there for him to be there all the time in big games both in terms of his teammates and the brand of football which inhibits him (Not just him but his teammates as well). How many memorable European performances have any of our attacking players in the post 2012 era had in the CL other than Willian's recently? It's few and far between and the reasons for that are pretty obvious, at least to me.

Still Hazard has already shown his mettle in big games despite all of the above:

 

Let's not pretend like none of these things happened.

[DDA 9,689]

33 minutes ago, Tomo said:

From his return from injury upto early December he was arguably in the best form of his whole career,

You are being sarcastic right?

[Alabama 1,992]

Madrid please just splash your cash and deliver us from this dilemma...at this point I don't even think Madrid will consider signing him when ruthless attacking players like Neymar and Salah are quite available....so Hazard fans can fuck off and follow him to Madrid... Guys talking as if without him we will be in 19th position when he is been anonymous virtually all season... 

[Tomo 21,733]

7 minutes ago, DDA said:

You are being sarcastic right?

Are you saying he wasn't fantastic in those above games i mentioned? 

[LAM09 6,814]

3 minutes ago, MrExcalibur100 said:

Let's be honest the platform just isn't there for him to be there all the time in big games both in terms of his teammates and the brand of football which inhibits him (Not just him but his teammates as well). How many memorable European performances have any of our attacking players in the post 2012 era had in the CL other than Willian's recently? It's few and far between and the reasons for that are pretty obvious, at least to me.

Still Hazard has already shown his mettle in big games despite all of the above:

 

Let's not pretend like none of these things happened.

We have arguably had the same platform since Roman bought the club. Our squad has steadily declined for the most part, so it's of little surprise we aren't/haven't been a presence in Europe.

I'm certainly not underestimating his impact during his time here, but we have to talk about the present. Just have to ask yourself, when does the blame lie with the player?