The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 All this tells me is you and the British media overrate hazard vastly. He's done nothing to justify £60/70m price tag. that's the sort you pay for genuine match winners ala Suarez, Zlatan et al. dribbling past players with ease is not enough. impact, consistency and character are equally important.It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then? Jype 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 You said only strikers and Zidane go for that sort of money and I gave you three examples from the last year alone to prove you wrong so clearly it wouldn't be just a case of a player going for a ridiculous inflated fee out of the blue like David Luiz for example. Hazard, if he signs the extension and stays for another couple of years, will almost certainly have developed further from the player he is today and be at least as good as any of those three if not even better and I don't think around £60m would be over the odds for a player like that, quite the opposite actually. The market is what it is but for a world class attacking player 50m seems to be the starting rate these days and for a guy being hyped as a potential future Ballon d'Or winner it's not at all unreasonable to ask for even more.Anyway, we shouldn't even talk about selling Hazard at this point. I'd rather just enjoy the qualities he brings to the team and if (right now a very big IF mind you) he wants to go after a couple of more seasons then we'll talk more. And I said with the current market now adays its difficult to tell...Di maria and man United overpaid for everyone they purchased in since fergie left.Fellaini.Mata.Di maria.Shaw.Even Rooney wagesBale is a winger/second striker that has the ability to score a ton of goals as does Neymar. Bale and hazard are not similar playersl... So, in essence, hazard can go for stupid money when you have clubs like PSG/City/Madrid, but his proper valuation is not 70m... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then?50m.....Best dribblers in the world, but besides that i wouldnt say anything more. James has massive market appeal imo and will be the face of madrid following the end of cr7 reign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOS 580 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 All this tells me is you and the British media overrate hazard vastly. He's done nothing to justify £60/70m price tag. that's the sort you pay for genuine match winners ala Suarez, Zlatan et al. dribbling past players with ease is not enough. impact, consistency and character are equally important.ok then, what's your number? how many goals, assists, trophy do you expect of him this season to make it in to that list of yours? ... just lay it out here for every one to see and let's put the issue to bed until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 50m.....Best dribblers in the world, but besides that i wouldnt say anything more. Let me rephrase that. If Hazard signs a contract extension, do you really think a very financially stable team such as ourselves would sell Hazard for only £50m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Let me rephrase that. If Hazard signs a contract extension, do you really think a very financially stable team such as ourselves would sell Hazard for only £50m?Chelsea wouldnt sell hazard to begin with since it doesnt need money.However, Hazard could push for the move....If so, than I agree, he could go for crazy money as did Bale, cr7, james, etc....Also, I dont think hazard really has real madrid dna.. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I know people here think chelsea and real madrid have the same allure, but anyone can tell you that is far from the truth...Madrid is basically the sign that you made it big in the football world.. You are the rockstars of football and everyone will know you.Madrid is more than just football and I dont think hazard really fits madrid tbh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidator 5,176 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I still see him going to Real at some point. Continental players play with themselves at the very mention of Real Madrid, not to mention when Zinedine Zidane starts publicly stating his admiration for them they become like 18 year old girls around a Hollister model in a nightclub Cholo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then?Firstly everyone knows Luiz and James were massively overpriced and that was no where near their true valuation. secondly Cavani was sold off the back of 3 truly world class season where he averaged over 22 goals per season and strikers traditionally cost more than other outfield players anyway so the cavani fee was more reasonable Di maria joined Utd after a Ballon dor level season (that's how good he was last season) and if Ronaldo and Messi weren't in the equation, we are talking about a genuine Ballon dor contender right there alongide Suarez and Zlatan. coupled with the fact that United were desperate to revive their season and also appease the fans with marque signings.All things considered we could get £60/70m for Hazard (you are right in that sense and with how crazy the modern market has become ) but that wouldn't be an accurate reflection of his true value which is the point I was trying to make anyway. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then?A player's worth doesn't even exist. We, the people who watch football, do not decide how much a player is worth to the interested club. So many factors are at play when deciding how much they're willing to spend on a player.Zidane was not worth 75 - 80 mil euros back in 2001, Drogba was 'not worth' 24 mil pounds, incredible amount of money back then, and CR was not worth 80 mil pounds back in 2009 (again, a figure that was more significant at the time, even though it's still crazy in today's market.One thing's for sure, Chelsea bought Hazard for 32 mil pounds and his stock has skyrocketed since then. ZOS and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOS 580 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 who cares what his true value in the market is... what matters most is how much Chelsea FC wants for him and how much the other party is prepared to pay at that moment in time. Such is the condition of most trades between European elites wherein the seller is never in need of the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper22 2,418 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Wha? Have I missed something?Has Hazard said he wants to leave?Has Mourinho or the club said they want to sell him?Have Real even said that they want him?If no to all then it's a non-story that doesn't even deserve discussion. Hazard is a blue and I hope it always stays that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sutro 1,026 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Wha? Have I missed something?Has Hazard said he wants to leave?Has Mourinho or the club said they want to sell him?Have Real even said that they want him?If no to all then it's a non-story that doesn't even deserve discussion. Hazard is a blue and I hope it always stays that way.nononoits all speculation, no worries he spend his prime years here at the bridge ? iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukakutoStamford 779 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Real Madrid could be a destination due to his reverence of Zidane. However I think a lot of you are selling Chelsea's role as "Superclub" a bit short. While Chelsea doesn't have the history of a Real Madrid Bayern etc it is developing it's own legendary history. I think few are taking into the chance to be the legend at a top club versus being a legend at a club with so many legends that it's easy to get lost in the shuffle even as a top tier player.Doesn't mean that Real isn't alluring but I think people are viewing Chelsea like Arsenal or Liverpool rather than in the eschelon with Bayern Real Madrid Barcelona United.It may well be that Eden continues to star at Chelsea wins some PL titles maybe a CL or two and wins a ballon d'Or and sows his legacy as the greatest Chelsea player ever. It still amazes how people who see him play on a week in week out basis and still vastly underrate him. Right now he's one of the top 5 players in the world using all available statistical metrics, but since too many people are wrapped up in goals and assists they fail to see how vast his impact is on the game. He's the Belgian version of Iniesta who essentially creates massive amounts of space and mismatches for his teammates to exploit he also iniates a large majority of attacks which don't always result in a goal or an assist but many of those goals and assists would occur if Eden isn't draw 2-4 men in close proximity each time he touches the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Speaking of Real Madrid. Its almost embarrassing how a club of their size only managed to break through 3 youth products into the first team for almost 15 years in Iker, Gutti, and Raul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Anyone notice Hazard's improved running and movement off the ball? He's been a much bigger presence in the box lately and is making some very good runs behind defence. But he's hardly been on the end of through balls. Should improve as the chemistery grows between the players. His positioning between the lines is improving as well.Great signs. chelseafc9010 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Anyone notice Hazard's improved running and movement off the ball? He's been a much bigger presence in the box lately and is making some very good runs behind defence. But he's hardly been on the end of through balls. Should improve as the chemistery grows between the players. His positioning between the lines is improving as well.Great signs.Yeah it's improving. He still has a long way to go though. It's still one of the weakest parts in his game - saying that, before Costa and Fabregas came out link up play was generally too poor in the final third for Hazard to even concentrate on this. Now we've got both however he should definitely improve on it as it'll actually be utilised. We need runners off the ball. DYC., Barbara and dee25 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafc9010 224 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Like mentioned, amazing movement and efforts here, loving it. Sadly the passing has been awful so far and no one has found him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Hazard was bound to miss one of those pks...Thank gosh he miss vs shit teams and insignificant games. iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggman 118 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Hazard's finishing is woeful, which cannot be but a mental issue. With his technical ability, he can do anything with the ball. It's like he's afraid to really take a committed shot.Poor bastard. A vicious circle is opening up for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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