Barbara 15,149 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 fair enough, i must have misinterpreted your post. Still, my question stands, if Oscar gets injured or suspended, wouldnt Hazard be our best option for his position?Hazard is our best player, by a very fair lead. He should play where it's the best for the team, regardless of Oscar form or lack of form.If he proves he's the best option to do what Mourinho requires from a #10 now (which is a lot of work-rate to balance the midfield) we should go with it. I'm just not sure if we wouldn't be wasting him a bit there now. Oscar has a very important tactical role in the team right now, and I think giving that responsibility to Eden will harm the team and also Eden's progress. Right now Eden also have defensive responsibilities, but they're lighter on a winger than on a CAM - at least that's what Jose said when he explained why Mata was playing in the wing.I think the system will mature as well as our players. In the future our pivot will be stronger (when Matic is fully adapted) and probably we won't demand as much work-rate from our #10. If by then Hazard plays better in the CAM position than in the LW position, we should play him as the #10. And if Salah is better in the wing than Oscar and Willian (which with time or maybe even right now he might be) than one of the two might be benched.I just don't think we should sacrifice the system for Hazard now (and we'd be sacrificing by giving him a free role) or that we should sacrifice Hazard for the system now, moving him to a position where the system demands a lot more of work-rate and defensive responsibilities. MAF and Coop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAF 162 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Well i'd like to see last seasons EL game where he played in the middle again. problem is i dont remember exactly witch game it was :si think it was Steaua or Rubin.. Anyone remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Well i'd like to see last seasons EL game where he played in the middle again. problem is i dont remember exactly witch game it was :si think it was Steaua or Rubin.. Anyone remember?Wan't it Basel Away? A kind of 4-4-1-1 if i remember correctly. Coop and MAF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Well i'd like to see last seasons EL game where he played in the middle again. problem is i dont remember exactly witch game it was :si think it was Steaua or Rubin.. Anyone remember?Was it this game ? Coop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAF 162 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Was it this game ? Yep, cheers.. Belgiannutt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Maybe my mind is doing overtime here but could Jose be planning on doing to Hazard what Wenger did to Henry? could that what he meant when he said we will know in the summer why we didn't sign a striker ? If he improves finishing i don't see why not and he won't have the same level off responsibility he does on the wing. Coop and Belgiannutt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop 114 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Well the more Hazard touches the ball the more danger comes from it, maybe he can be more decisve in the center but I have to agree with Barbara for the moment, he currently plays best on the left side. But who knows if he gets 5 games in the center what would become of him? I'm sure Mourinho will know what is best for him and the team. Verstuurd vanaf mijn Find 5 met Tapatalk Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop 114 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Maybe my mind is doing overtime here but could Jose be planning on doing to Hazard what Wenger did to Henry? could that what he meant when he said we will know in the summer why we didn't sign a striker ? If he improves finishing i don't see why not and he won't have the same level off responsibility he does on the wing. Playing in a 4 4 Hazard 1 you mean? Verstuurd vanaf mijn Find 5 met Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Maybe my mind is doing overtime here but could Jose be planning on doing to Hazard what Wenger did to Henry? could that what he meant when he said we will know in the summer why we didn't sign a striker ? If he improves finishing i don't see why not and he won't have the same level off responsibility he does on the wing.Would love Hazard to become a false 9. Central position, license to roam, less defensive work, focal point for the attack so he'd be seeing a lot of the ball.Can't see it happening though. Don't think Mourinho likes the concept of a false 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Playing in a 4 4 Hazard 1 you mean?Verstuurd vanaf mijn Find 5 met TapatalkThink he means as a false 9, so alone upfront. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hazard is our best player, by a very fair lead. He should play where it's the best for the team, regardless of Oscar form or lack of form.If he proves he's the best option to do what Mourinho requires from a #10 now (which is a lot of work-rate to balance the midfield) we should go with it. I'm just not sure if we wouldn't be wasting him a bit there now. Oscar has a very important tactical role in the team right now, and I think giving that responsibility to Eden will harm the team and also Eden's progress. Right now Eden also have defensive responsibilities, but they're lighter on a winger than on a CAM - at least that's what Jose said when he explained why Mata was playing in the wing.I think the system will mature as well as our players. In the future our pivot will be stronger (when Matic is fully adapted) and probably we won't demand as much work-rate from our #10. If by then Hazard plays better in the CAM position than in the LW position, we should play him as the #10. And if Salah is better in the wing than Oscar and Willian (which with time or maybe even right now he might be) than one of the two might be benched.I just don't think we should sacrifice the system for Hazard now (and we'd be sacrificing by giving him a free role) or that we should sacrifice Hazard for the system now, moving him to a position where the system demands a lot more of work-rate and defensive responsibilities.I think it's unfair to say Hazard is our best player. He is definitely the best at what he does and is the main man but stick him in defence and then say he's better than JT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I meant to say defensive responsibility, im on my ps3 so can't edit my posts. Coop nope if Hazard improves his finishing he has the potential to be deadly there, it wouldn't be an exclusive false 9 playing say Oscar or Spain playing Cesc there would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hazard in the middle against Basel (away) last season was fantastic. He kept receiving the ball, turning past people with ease and leading the team on the counter.He can definitely be more dangerous there, because he will receive the ball in better positions, compared to on the left when he has to dribble past 4 people to get a shot.But there's no reason to change anything right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Was it this game ? It was Basel away actually, not the home game. MAF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Would love Hazard to become a false 9. Central position, license to roam, less defensive work, focal point for the attack so he'd be seeing a lot of the ball.Can't see it happening though. Don't think Mourinho likes the concept of a false 9.I reckon potentially he could be our Henry , started as a winger got moved up front and turned into one off the best in the world.It would save us a hell off a lot off money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 It was Basel away actually, not the home game.He seems to be playing a lot on the number 10 position in this game aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I reckon potentially he could be our Henry , started as a winger got moved up front and turned into one off the best in the world.It would save us a hell off a lot off money.Would be awesome if Mourinho did this.Well.... *DREAM MODE ON*What if we spend £30 million on Reus instead of Costa and played.Hazard upfront with Reus-Oscar-Willian. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppen 934 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Would be awesome if Mourinho did this.Well.... *DREAM MODE ON*What if we spend £30 million on Reus instead of Costa and played.Hazard upfront with Reus-Oscar-Willian. *drool* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 but for Hazard to play as a striker he has to improve plenty of his finishing and goal flair. I mean, he's not awful, far from it, but I don't think his finishing is good yet for us to do that neither is he's that goal inclined yet - which are two different things, although the second I'm positive I'm not apt to define well, so I'll explain instead There are some kind of players that 'smell' the goal, and they haunt and chase it down. Scoring is second nature to them, their natural reaction is to try the shot and they seem to be magnetically attracted to the goal. I don't see that on Hazard yet and there's no way I'd rather us to make this bet right now than sign a world-class striker. We're talking about six months from now. Can Hazard completely change his goal approach as well as improve considerably his finishing in such a short time? I think it's a risk I'm not willing to take. Another season without a proper striker for us will lead me to pull all the hair off of my head.I also doubt that's what Mourinho has in mind. I think he's probably referring to a player that will only become available then or whose situation in their current club is likely to change 6 months from now.Also there's no need to complicate things like that. RM has the best 'in-theory-winger' in the world, that is basically a striker and who plays with a striker ahead of him. Barça played with Villa (and others) ahead of Messi for a while. We don't need to turn Hazard into our #1 striker if he could enjoy a second striker job (whether in the wing like Cris or in the middle like Messi) while we have a poacher in the box. that's the ideal scenario in my opinion. Developing Hazard (without any rush) to his full potential, give him a free role but still have a striker ahead of him. Despiadado.Maleante, Coop and MAF 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 There's only one truly succesful false 9 in Europe and that's Messi. The only reason he makes it work is because he's an absolute phenomenon who excels in the most crucial attributes in football. It's an incredibly difficult role to pull off and it can work against you.Personally I find it a very overrated concept. Strikers are crucial. borriske, Despiadado.Maleante and duo11bluecl 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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