Right-back Ramires?

[manpe 10,861]

what? your post says that rambo should play less than last 2 years because the cliche that he is a mediocre player in a world class team was born for a reason. and now u say that u dint say it. u alright?

You should re-read that sentence, it was written in speculative manner, hence the usage of the word "should" not "is". Let me put it into perspective for you. If Victor Moses was voted players' player of the season at Wigan, and then they went on to sign the likes of Hazard and Hulk and possibly other world class players, then should Moses still be played as much and considered the best on the merit of him being voted the PPOTS last season? No, I'm pretty sure they'd shove aside the sentiment and let more skillful players take his place, thus demoting his status as "the best player" to a more mediocre rotation/squad player and upping the team's general play by sacrificing his position.

[didierforever 7,349]

You should re-read that sentence, it was written in speculative manner, hence the usage of the word "should" not "is". Let me put it into perspective for you. If Victor Moses was voted players' player of the season at Wigan, and then they went on to sign the likes of Hazard and Hulk and possibly other world class players, then should Moses still be played as much and considered the best on the merit of him being voted the PPOTS last season? No, I'm pretty sure they'd shove aside the sentiment and let more skillful players take his place, thus demoting his status as "the best player" to a more mediocre rotation/squad player and upping the team's general play by sacrificing his position.

and how do u know hulk is gonna come here and perform well and better than nando? we payed 50 m for rambo and he has not justified it, do we want another 40mil. plus even when compared to hulk rambo wont be mediocre. in the big games when we will need our asses to be saved and to defend, he will be our go to man.

btw when did hulk become a world class player?

[mnmontero 78]

Don't act like you run the club. Guess what? We are buying, buying, buying and Hulk seems to be on his way. So do you know more than Roman? Should you be running the club instead of him? Exaclty, so be quiet.

This is a forum to express opinions.

If you don't like my opinion please disagree with an statement not with some witty remark and telling me to stop posting.

Not me nor you are running the Club right? I have a point of view, you have yours, Roman has his and it's the one that counts at the end and with the other members of the board that take decisions.

[manpe 10,861]

and how do u know hulk is gonna come here and perform well and better than nando? we payed 50 m for rambo and he has not justified it, do we want another 40mil. plus even when compared to hulk rambo wont be mediocre. in the big games when we will need our asses to be saved and to defend, he will be our go to man.

btw when did hulk become a world class player?

I didn't say anything definitive, again, I was being speculative by saying that in a world class team Ramires should not be the best player. I didn't claim any of the players to come and overtake Rambo straight away, but again - hypothetically saying that if Hulk, Hazard, Marin, KdB and whoever else proved to be(come) better players, then that would demote Rambo's status whether you like it or not. If all of our midfielders and wingers were like Rami, we wouldn't hold even 10% of ball possession against the likes of Barca. He's excellent in a counter-attacking and more defensive setup, but since we are aiming to become the dominators rather than the dominated, then Rambo's role should decrease. At the moment, in our current team, he is not mediocre, he's arguably the most important player we have, but that is because he is basically the only one with serious pace and stamina. He doesn't ideally fit the double pivot, as a result he was moved to the wing, but since we now have real wingers, his playing time should decrease... unless he somehow consistently manages to outperform our new exciting wingmen, which I frankly don't think he will be able to do.

Do you NOW get my point?

[zolayes 14,489]

seems a feisty day here...

remember

WE ARE CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE

[didierforever 7,349]

I didn't say anything definitive, again, I was being speculative by saying that in a world class team Ramires should not be the best player. I didn't claim any of the players to come and overtake Rambo straight away, but again - hypothetically saying that if Hulk, Hazard, Marin, KdB and whoever else proved to be(come) better players, then that would demote Rambo's status whether you like it or not. If all of our midfielders and wingers were like Rami, we wouldn't hold even 10% of ball possession against the likes of Barca. He's excellent in a counter-attacking and more defensive setup, but since we are aiming to become the dominators rather than the dominated, then Rambo's role should decrease. At the moment, in our current team, he is not mediocre, he's arguably the most important player we have, but that is because he is basically the only one with serious pace and stamina. He doesn't ideally fit the double pivot, as a result he was moved to the wing, but since we now have real wingers, his playing time should decrease... unless he somehow consistently manages to outperform our new exciting wingmen, which I frankly don't think he will be able to do.

Do you NOW get my point?

i do get your point and still think you are wrong. he has an ability better than marin and kdb, believe me. we are making way too much of those guys are going to be in for a suprise. anyways as far as rambo is concerned he does the needful defensively because that is what is required of him more often than not. we all forget the napoli (4-1) shift that he put that night. he was brilliant on the wings on the day wen we were attacking (remember the cross for drogs for the first goal).

i just think that the mentality that since we are buyin new players they will obviously be better than the existing players will bite us in the ass.

DO you get my point?

[JDY 1,290]

4-3-2-1.

Cole & Ramires predominately providing the width with both Mata and Hazard as a trequartista. Lampard will need to wise up defensively and cover Cole. Obviously if we sign Hulk it messes this up!

[manpe 10,861]

DO you get my point?

Yes, I always did. I wasn't a fan of your intelligent beginning of argument with "screw you" though, have more respect to other peoples' opinions.

[didierforever 7,349]

4-3-2-1.

Cole & Ramires predominately providing the width with both Mata and Hazard as a trequartista. Lampard will need to wise up defensively and cover Cole. Obviously if we sign Hulk it messes this up!

precisely. dont sign hulk. btw hard to see us droppin 4-2-3-1 after the hazard-kdb-marin buys. we are going to see a lot of wing play now. at last.

[didierforever 7,349]

Yes, I always did. I wasn't a fan of your intelligent beginning of argument with "screw you" though, have more respect to other peoples' opinions.

sorry about that. just dint like it when (apparently) i thought u called rambo mediocre. anyways sorry for any insults, dint mean it.

[manpe 10,861]

sorry about that. just dint like it when (apparently) i thought u called rambo mediocre. anyways sorry for any insults, dint mean it.

Sorry for calling you an inept prick

[didierforever 7,349]

Sorry for calling you an inept prick

forgiven and forgotten dude. but i still think rambo should be in the 1st team.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

--------------Torres----------------

-----Hazard--------Hulk-----------

-----------------------------------------

---------------Mata------------------

-----Lampard------Ramires------

A.Cole------------------------Ivanovic

-----------J.Terry---Luiz-----------------

-----------------Cech----------------------

Would be my first choice and formation

first choice??? kina hard to be honest because that team has no TRUE dm, switch lamps for mikel and ramires for lamps then maybe it can be fist choice.

also, all these people (not u semia) who put lamps for double pivot role need to understand that playing 4231 kills ramires!! if/when we sign hulk ramires is now left out of his prefered potition and we suggest all these wird ass positions for him. 433 is best formation for u ramires fans (witch i presume is evrybody). for he can go forward and back without a priority on either, as apposed to 4231 witch forces him to play more defensive and limit forward opprotunities.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

forgiven and forgotten dude. but i still think rambo should be in the 1st team.

if only more people were like u guys.

[NoFear 23]

If we are to get both Hulk and Hazard, we have to remember that we would be having a major share of possession (at least 60 to 70%) as the attacking team against most of the opposition in EPL (bar Arsenal, ManU and ManC)... And as the attacking team, I do not think we would need a true DM to provide us a shield. If Rami pushes up, David Luiz or Cahill would be stepping up alongside Mikel to form a back 3.. And i guess we would be having a high defensive shield (i know it does not suit JT) if we are to be a super attacking team. My starting 11 in EPL would be one of the following (not mentioning defense as we are talking only abt att and mid)

(4-2-3-1)

FT9

EH - JM - HULK

FL8 - Rami

or

(4-3-3)

EH-FT9-HULK

JM-MIKEL-Rami

Against Arse, ManU or ManC - I had play the following

FT9 (4-2-3-1)

EH - JM - HULK/Rami

FL8-Mikel

or

EH - FT9 - HULK (4-3-3)

FL8-Mikel-Rami

or

EH-FT9-Hulk

JM-Mikel-Rami

In either case, I envisage Ramires starting in almost a majority of our matches next season. And they would all be from a CM position IF we get Hulk... Else he would take the RW spot as he did during our close season.

i would personally not like Rami to be our RW. Yes - he was good for us the past 2 months. But that is only because we were uinltra defensive and were only counter attacking. With Hazard and FT and JM, even without Hulk we would not be playing Defensive which would mean our wingers would have to be skillful enough to beat their man and create space / chances which is not Ramires' forte... Hence why he should play in CM as our engine if we are to become an attacking team....