David Luiz

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Eh...no. Gary Cahill was never the 1st choice. He wasn't the 1st choice for RDM and Benitez. He became Mourinho 1st choice after 10 matches of PL 2013/14 season. Being Mourinho 1st choice doesn't mean that much these days, since the defense he created is a big joke.

Despite David Luiz woeful performances he can produce at times, I think few managers around would play Cahill instead of Luiz.

I also believe your memory is not that good for a football fan. DL best performances playing as a DM actually came when Mourinho was the manager. He played superb matches against Liverpool, City and Arsenal.

Call me crazy, and I know many people won't agree with that, but I'm still not convinced Matic is really that better than Luiz as a DM. Any manager with decent balls and that can really teach players different things, would turn Luiz into one of the best DM around.

You're missing the point. I said "Gary Cahill wouldn't still be first choice", meaning you've misunderstood my point. If Luiz is as good a CB as you all think, it would be he, not Cahill, who would be leading our defence. And regarding your point about "few managers around would play Cahill instead of Luiz", one of those "few" managers happens to be the Chelsea boss, so that's too bad for you.

Also, my memory is pretty damned good. Of course, if you want to overhype one or two very good performances as a defensive midfielder, largely in one-off games or Europa League ties and here and there in the Premier League, then good for you. At best he was a square peg for a round hole; played in midfield only because of a lack of options and the fact he was less of a liability in midfield than he was at centre-back.

This is all subjective, but I just can't see how you can say you don't think Matic - who, for me, is without question the best defensive midfielder in the English game, possibly in Europe - isn't far superior to Luiz. Then again, scoring the odd cracker-jacket masks a tonne of shit performances, I suppose. Matic is bang out of form, but at his best, there aren't many better. Each to their own, if you prefer Luiz then good for you.

[Oscar 441]

You're missing the point. I said "Gary Cahill wouldn't still be first choice", meaning you've misunderstood my point. If Luiz is as good a CB as you all think, it would be he, not Cahill, who would be leading our defence. And regarding your point about "few managers around would play Cahill instead of Luiz", one of those "few" managers happens to be the Chelsea boss, so that's too bad for you.

Also, my memory is pretty damned good. Of course, if you want to overhype one or two very good performances as a defensive midfielder, largely in one-off games or Europa League ties and here and there in the Premier League, then good for you. At best he was a square peg for a round hole; played in midfield only because of a lack of options and the fact he was less of a liability in midfield than he was at centre-back.

This is all subjective, but I just can't see how you can say you don't think Matic - who, for me, is without question the best defensive midfielder in the English game, possibly in Europe - isn't far superior to Luiz. Then again, scoring the odd cracker-jacket masks a tonne of shit performances, I suppose. Matic is bang out of form, but at his best, there aren't many better. Each to their own, if you prefer Luiz then good for you.

Luiz is the only transfer I regret and potentially Felipe too...

David Luiz would start as cb on ever team in the world outside of Real Madrid and with Jose.... Maybe, if Luiz waited, he would of eventually started. Honestly, I have no clue why Luiz was sold, unless it's based on the notion that PSG's valuation was too good to say no...

Epl's midfielders are subpar in Europe.. Luiz could of easily did the role better than most in England.

If we still had Luiz, our cm/cb dilemma would not exist.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Money was never needed. We lost a potential future captain, our best CB, and steel/quality in the midfield.

Especially, with the ridiculous bid on Stones, Luiz never should of been sold.

Our best CB???? He was a shit cb, he was a good midfielder, though

Not a good captain, he was too irresponsible

Just because we're shit at the moment does not mean we should regret a good decision.

[zolayes 14,489]

Our best CB???? He was a shit cb, he was a good midfielder, though

Not a good captain, he was too irresponsible

Just because we're shit at the moment does not mean we should regret a good decision.

perhaps we are shit BECAUSE we got rid of Luiz ,, Luis ,, Lukaku .. omg Al literation . better move on Ake ,,, Bruma Bertrand Kalas KDB Mata SChurrle Salah .. will stop there but consider

we would not be a better squad if some or most of these still with us,,

[didierforever 7,349]

we never replaced luiz the CM. as a CB, i dont think he would have made any difference. but as a CM, he was immense.

[Stats 7,136]

Luiz is the only transfer I regret and potentially Felipe too...

David Luiz would start as cb on ever team in the world outside of Real Madrid and with Jose.... Maybe, if Luiz waited, he would of eventually started. Honestly, I have no clue why Luiz was sold, unless it's based on the notion that PSG's valuation was too good to say no...

Epl's midfielders are subpar in Europe.. Luiz could of easily did the role better than most in England.

If we still had Luiz, our cm/cb dilemma would not exist.

Luiz made too much mistakes for us at CB but I always liked his style. But his style of play was more suited to Barca and I am sure they would have got him was it not for PSG coming in with that huge bid. I am a big fan of Luiz because I like ball playing defenders but seriously he made loads of errors at CB for us. He was just far too clumsy at times. For instance when we beat Cardiff 4-1, the error he made for their goal were not just one-off occasions. He had quite a few moments like that. Even before Moruinho came here, many people had ridiculed Luiz at CB. I think it was slightly OTT but like I was saying it is not as if he had not made a lot of mistakes, he had. When we actually played his team PSG, two seasons ago it was his 2 errors in the game that made us lose 3-1.

Then there was his error for Brazil against Peru. A costly error and again where the clumsy part of his game comes into question. I know it was Barca but his style of play played into their hands last season and he got torn apart. He was so naive in his defending and cost them. His rash way of pressing and intercepting got picked off by Barca easy. Just look at Suarez goal. Too many mistakes he had made.

Luiz is one of them players who when he is at it can look the best defender around. His performance against Bayern for instance was excellent but when he is bad he is bad and sometimes you could not help but think despite his qualities he would do something stupid.

We got a huge bid for a player who while has a lot of qualities, also is very error prone and we had Terry and Cahill who at the time were a perfect partnership. Maybe we should have bought another top CB to replace him which we did not.

Let's not also make it look like it is only a Chelsea way of thinking to get rid of Luiz and something only we would do. You do realise a lot of people outside Chelsea and even Brazilian fans mock him for being a CB and I have seen so many criticisms of him. Saying that I saw some Brazilians claiming "they actually had a defence" now that he was out against Chile but Marquinhos was poor as his replacement too apparently. Many fans around the world were shocked when he was included in the FIFApro team of the year thing as well but I am with you. I would have him in my team because I think while he is clumsy his positive outweigh his negatives and he has pretty much everything when he is at the top of his game but with the fee we were offered it was some ways a no-brainer. But right now would I have him, of course. Always been a big fan.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Luiz - Matic was the best partnership we've seen in years tbh

[bababoom 4,478]

Luiz - Matic was good against the bigger sides but against teams that parked the bus it was dreadful, i lost count how many times Luiz tried a hollywood pass and failed.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Luiz - Matic was good against the bigger sides but against teams that parked the bus it was dreadful, i lost count how many times Luiz tried a hollywood pass and failed.

well that's why we need a a larger squad than we have now - so that the manager can make a couple of tweaks depending on opponent and venue. Right now we have a a starting XI and perhaps one additional AM and one aging CB - not good enough.

Yes, the lack of options is Jose's own fault.

[lucio 5,418]

Luiz - Matic was good against the bigger sides but against teams that parked the bus it was dreadful, i lost count how many times Luiz tried a hollywood pass and failed.

A lack of a proper 10 and striker also caused that , and unbalanced fullback. Reckon luiz matic would work with those 3 things fixed

[Oscar 441]

Luiz made too much mistakes for us at CB but I always liked his style. But his style of play was more suited to Barca and I am sure they would have got him was it not for PSG coming in with that huge bid. I am a big fan of Luiz because I like ball playing defenders but seriously he made loads of errors at CB for us. He was just far too clumsy at times. For instance when we beat Cardiff 4-1, the error he made for their goal were not just one-off occasions. He had quite a few moments like that. Even before Moruinho came here, many people had ridiculed Luiz at CB. I think it was slightly OTT but like I was saying it is not as if he had not made a lot of mistakes, he had. When we actually played his team PSG, two seasons ago it was his 2 errors in the game that made us lose 3-1.

Then there was his error for Brazil against Peru. A costly error and again where the clumsy part of his game comes into question. I know it was Barca but his style of play played into their hands last season and he got torn apart. He was so naive in his defending and cost them. His rash way of pressing and intercepting got picked off by Barca easy. Just look at Suarez goal. Too many mistakes he had made.

Luiz is one of them players who when he is at it can look the best defender around. His performance against Bayern for instance was excellent but when he is bad he is bad and sometimes you could not help but think despite his qualities he would do something stupid.

We got a huge bid for a player who while has a lot of qualities, also is very error prone and we had Terry and Cahill who at the time were a perfect partnership. Maybe we should have bought another top CB to replace him which we did not.

Let's not also make it look like it is only a Chelsea way of thinking to get rid of Luiz and something only we would do. You do realise a lot of people outside Chelsea and even Brazilian fans mock him for being a CB and I have seen so many criticisms of him. Saying that I saw some Brazilians claiming "they actually had a defence" now that he was out against Chile but Marquinhos was poor as his replacement too apparently. Many fans around the world were shocked when he was included in the FIFApro team of the year thing as well but I am with you. I would have him in my team because I think while he is clumsy his positive outweigh his negatives and he has pretty much everything when he is at the top of his game but with the fee we were offered it was some ways a no-brainer. But right now would I have him, of course. Always been a big fan.

A lot of fans outside of Chelsea mock Chelsea in general so what is your point.

David Luiz was and is better cb than anyone on the team. The money being brought back is irrelevant.

JT is retiring soon and Cahill is better off being a 3rd cb. Zouma still needs time and grooming. We were going to spend how much for John Stones? Money means nothing, especially when you are making transfers like that.

Fact is Luiz would of been a viable option at the CB/CM position and the leader to the brazilian players. A future captain and our only proactive defender. Unless you enjoying watching these guys with their hand back backpedeling all game long. Also, barcelona made boateng look like a sunday league player too in Champions league

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Well, as the little flag above my name says, i come from Italy. Producing world class CB was our hobby not too long ago, as a representative of the nation i can say with all honesty: Luiz is a very poor CB, getting rid of him for 50m was a master stroke
Would've been useful now? Yes, because we're utter shit.
Would've been an upgrade on last season defence? NO!

Let's keep developing the French Hulk and let's get Stones.

[Stats 7,136]

A lot of fans outside of Chelsea mock Chelsea in general so what is your point.

David Luiz was and is better cb than anyone on the team. The money being brought back is irrelevant.

JT is retiring soon and Cahill is better off being a 3rd cb. Zouma still needs time and grooming. We were going to spend how much for John Stones? Money means nothing, especially when you are making transfers like that.

Fact is Luiz would of been a viable option at the CB/CM position and the leader to the brazilian players. A future captain and our only proactive defender. Unless you enjoying watching these guys with their hand back backpedeling all game long. Also, barcelona made boateng look like a sunday league player too in Champions league

Because you said he would start for any team outside Chelsea. That is not true. A lot of teams would laugh at paying over £30m for him. Well Luiz as a defender was not better than the Terry in our team last season. If you like the style of playing with the ball then Luiz is your man. For those who don't want that, he is not ideal. You can not tell me Luiz was better than Terry last season.

But, yeah I agree right now Luiz would have been an excellent option for us. Versatile too and his positives outweigh his negatives. But you only have to see the forums when Luiz was here of the people who thought he was a nightmare waiting to happen. Not me, as I liked him and like you I would rather have ball playing defenders in my team like him rather than a defender who does not have that much qualities on the ball.

[Oscar 441]

Because you said he would start for any team outside Chelsea. That is not true. A lot of teams would laugh at paying over £30m for him. Well Luiz as a defender was not better than the Terry in our team last season. If you like the style of playing with the ball then Luiz is your man. For those who don't want that, he is not ideal. You can not tell me Luiz was better than Terry last season.

But, yeah I agree right now Luiz would have been an excellent option for us. Versatile too and his positives outweigh his negatives. But you only have to see the forums when Luiz was here of the people who thought he was a nightmare waiting to happen. Not me, as I liked him and like you I would rather have ball playing defenders in my team like him rather than a defender who does not have that much qualities on the ball.

Only Jose didn't start him and maybe Carlo at Real wouldn't.

There is a good chance Luiz would of started at bayern, city, barcelona, etc. Also, a lot of teams were willing to pay good money for him, just not PSG money. JT weaknesses were there last season as was Cahill. JT didn't just get slow this summer. Once matic, oscar and cesc played subparly in the second half, the cbs weren't as good as you make them out to be.

[Stats 7,136]

Only Jose didn't start him and maybe Carlo at Real wouldn't.

There is a good chance Luiz would of started at bayern, city, barcelona, etc. Also, a lot of teams were willing to pay good money for him, just not PSG money. JT weaknesses were there last season as was Cahill. JT didn't just get slow this summer. Once matic, oscar and cesc played subparly in the second half, the cbs weren't as good as you make them out to be.

Luiz was only saved being dropped by the other managers because we had not got Matic and he use to cover in the DM role when it turned out he could do a good role there. If Matic was here when our previous managers where here Luiz would have been dropped quite a few times for sure. Terry was excellent in the league last season. He had a poor game against Spurs, WBA and his lack of pace was exposed against Southampton but apart from that he was formidable and was one of the best performing CB in Europe. Luiz has a lot of qualities like I said but he is not this great defensive god as you make him out to be. PSG would have won the league with him or without him last season however in Europe he let them down on the big stage.

Jose has made a lot of mistakes with transfers etc but selling Luiz was not a bad error. Now at this moment you look at things and think you could do with him but season after he left, we won the league and had one of the best defensive records in the country if not the best IIRC.