David Luiz

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It's not just the goal. he should have been sent off when he was grabbing Anichebe's shirt in the box. West brom should have had a penalty.

Anichibe was holding his shirt first and then Luiz grabbed his back. That's never given because both players are grabbing each others shirts. And even if Anichibe wasn't holding Luiz's shirt, why in the world would that be another yellow? And finally, don't you find it weird that you're bringing this up when even Anichibe nor the WBA players appealed for it?!

[rantdeville 195]

It's just simply an observation.

Luiz didn't do good enough against Anichebe.

Anichebe is a really strong player, we're not going to burn Luiz at the stake, no need to be so defensive.

[Joe Cool 388]

I've just about had it with Luiz at centre-back, every time he's been there this season it's costed us goals and points. Tonight's performance was utter bollocks, it was nothing more than a complete sham.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I've just about had it with Luiz at centre-back, every time he's been there this season it's costed us goals and points. Tonight's performance was utter bollocks, it was nothing more than a complete sham.

I feel you are the sham for bashing on him as if he is to be blamed for us losing 2pts after the way the whole team played.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Anyone want to guess what month Luiz starts another game at centre-back for us in the league when Cahill and Terry are fit?

Will he ever start another one there?

I've just about had it with Luiz at centre-back, every time he's been there this season it's costed us goals and points. Tonight's performance was utter bollocks, it was nothing more than a complete sham.

He didn't cost us goals at the weekend....but he made two errors, one of which was getting the wrong side of De Jong for a cross.

Oh well, there's a reason he's third choice centre-back and we've already signed one young guy. I'd say it's a certainty he's sold in the summer, except he's been good for us in midfield.

[robsblubot 3,529]

@The Skipper, you are wasting your time.

Some folks here never kicked a ball in their life.

That was an unstoppable play caused by a perfect cross. You'd need a defender who was NOT man marking to see the cross first - assuming Victor does not know the crosser from practice. It's possible but it would have taken a perfect reading, pace, and luck.

Some folks here also have a problem with logic; they are good removing the deficiencies of the players they replace in their minds, but not taking into account the deficiencies of the substitutes. Say, Terry were on the pitch and there is no Victor goal (a wild assumption as he's pretty pacey) there is no backheel flick from Luiz and no Iva goal: result 0x0 (also an assumption). Did we not press with a high defense line for 70min of the match either?! That's Luiz' specialty and he looked pretty good then.

Furthermore, lets assume that in the situation we were in in the last 20 min or so, under pressure and all, we'd rather have Terry than Luiz on the pitch. This is fair as Terry shines in those situations. However, in other situations that's not the case: like I said, when pressing your opponent in midfield like we tried to do for most of the match.

Is it fair to expect Luiz to be as composed as Terry in those particular situations, even though David Luiz is a lot better than Terry in others? Isn't Terry any good then if Luiz has to match Terry in what Terry does best even though it's really not Luiz' virtue?

I find this discussion repetitive as we've coming to the same conclusions over and over again: about what his deficiencies are and what his virtues are. The same people focus on his deficiencies and the same others on his virtues.

I will just agree to disagree on this one.

[Joe Cool 388]

I feel you are the sham for bashing on him as if he is to be blamed for us losing 2pts after the way the whole team played.

You are hilarious. You really are. I didn't say that Luiz is the only one to be blamed because let's be honest, everyone was shite. However, the one who stood out the most, with his shirt tugging (which could have easily been a penalty), his stupid fouls, and random gifts of possession to the opposition was none other than yours truly.

Edit: Well maybe Ivanovic is also a culprit too, but he has been superb the last few months so he was due a meltdown like that.

[didierforever 7,349]

So Gc and It start abiut 10 matxhes together and concede one goal against pool thru set piece and another to united when everyone was cruising thru. All this while no team put in a "perfext cross" or no striker made a perfect run.

But luiz comes in and the stars align and that one moment of magic happens. Oh definitely!!!! Poor luiz... never at fault for anyyhing ever. He is simply PERFECT!!!

[The only place to be 11,313]

So Gc and It start abiut 10 matxhes together and concede one goal against pool thru set piece and another to united when everyone was cruising thru. All this while no team put in a "perfext cross" or no striker made a perfect run.

But luiz comes in and the stars align and that one moment of magic happens. Oh definitely!!!! Poor luiz... never at fault for anyyhing ever. He is simply PERFECT!!!

No, you're ignoring his virtues and focusing on his weaknesses.

Look at his 50 yard passes and free-kick attempts, and ignore his marking abilities. You have an agenda and you're scapegoating and I'M TELLING MUM!!!

[didierforever 7,349]

No, you're ignoring his virtues and focusing on his weaknesses.

Look at his 50 yard passes and free-kick attempts, and ignore his marking abilities. You have an agenda and you're scapegoating and I'M TELLING MUM!!!

U forgot the "its not continental enough , there are different ways to defend than just the english way argument".

[Barbara 15,149]

I've seen the goal a few times. Just two matches ago Terry allowed EXACTLY the same thing to happen, but the opponent - don't remember who - didn't capitalize and headed wide or Cech deflected it... can't remember. Still when Luiz does the same he's the worst player?

I do agree we have a better defense with Terry and Cahill. But people make it out to be as if Luiz is the biggest liability in this team... Again, I haven't watched the match - only the goals - but it's always the same old here... I'm not exempting him at all, but no matter what, if we concede and Luiz is in the pitch, somehow everything will be credited as his fault. As usual. I'm not even going to comment on how pathetic Cech was in that goal. It doesn't matter. It's all Luiz... as always

[lionsden 4,689]

It was Mikel tonight wasn't it? Or was it Torres? Oh and Mourinho for his tactics.

Maybe it was the guy who let Anichebe get away from him....or did that not happen? Maybe it's because he hasn't played much at centre-back recently....oh wait, that excuse got used at the weekend for one of the incidents against Newcastle.

Oh, nearly forgot.....Munich, Champions League, plays well for Brazil, only form, why else would Barca value him at £30 million, future captain, sun was in his eyes. That's all of them isn't it?

You forgot the best one"He's continental and technically gifted"

[lionsden 4,689]

As far as I'm concerned part of jose's priority in the summer should be getting rid of him and Ramires. Bring in a DLP to partner matic and Zouma replaces Luiz in the team. I don't want continental, what I want is reliability which JT and cahill have offered us for majority of the season and a midfielder that can actually pass and control games.

[robsblubot 3,529]

folks he's obviously not English enough as only the English know how to defend in football. After all all other top sides have English defenders, especially in England.

David Luiz should be sold in the summer so we can make funds to buy Ryan Shawcross - a proper Englishman with a serious face and short haircut. We can even buy a few of "them" with the money.

[bababoom 4,478]

folks he's obviously not English enough as only the English know how to defend in football. After all all other top sides have English defenders, especially in England.

David Luiz should be sold in the summer so we can make funds to buy Ryan Shawcross - a proper Englishman with a serious face and short haircut. We can even buy a few of "them" with the money.

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Yes because we didn't like Carvalho, Desailly, Gallas... stop talking out your fucking arse. All of a sudden you cant slate Luiz, if you do you get replies back saying it's because he's not English... grow up.

It's a conspiracy i'm telling you, all the the English posters have an agenda, Luiz has actually been our most consistent defender, we just don't like him because he's not English. Have you seen his hair? how fucking messy is it? he should get it cut like JT or Cahill... you know how ridiculous you sound?

Luiz was fucking poor today, it's not about nationality, it's about defending and I've had enough of his poor defending costing us games. I know Terry and Cahill have made mistakes, but lets be honest Luiz is more of a liability than them.

[Reddish-Blue 2,354]

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Yes because we didn't like Carvalho, Desailly, Gallas... stop talking out your fucking arse. All of a sudden you cant slate Luiz, if you do you get replies back saying it's because he's not English... grow up.

It's a conspiracy i'm telling you, all the the English posters have an agenda, Luiz has actually been our most consistent defender, we just don't like him because he's not English. Have you seen his hair? how fucking messy is it? he should get it cut like JT or Cahill... you know how ridiculous you sound?

Luiz was fucking poor today, it's not about nationality, it's about defending and I've had enough of his poor defending costing us games. I know Terry and Cahill have made mistakes, but lets be honest Luiz is more of a liability than them.

Cahill is more of a liability then Luiz in general

The difference is that Luiz has been poor this season and Cahill is having a good season by his standards

Alot of English posters don't appreciate Luiz...he should go to a club that plays to his strengths.

[Cech's helmet 220]

People need to use their head not their heart when they judge him. he's a great footballer, the best technically gifted center back in the game, no doubt. his first touch and passing are quality. the thing is, his decision making. he takes risks. he makes mistakes. everyone makes mistakes; Luiz just makes more than JT and Cahill. when is he going to be solid mentally as he is physically? he could have been sent off today and nearly cost us a penalty. Anichebe didn't pull his shirt, he was really close to him, but Luiz was grabbing his shirt and it was so clear. he can't be doing that, even if Anichebe was grabbing first(he really wasn't) he still shouldn't. also, I said he's a good passer but ffs how many long balls in a game does he miss every game? every long ball goes to a throw in for the other team.

And the goal.. really lazy defending there. how the heck does the striker get the ball first? he was sleeping. I think he should be a midfielder but he's not good as I thought he was. a year ago, I expected him to be benching JT. but deary me I was wrong.

[bababoom 4,478]

Cahill is more of a liability then Luiz in general

The difference is that Luiz has been poor this season and Cahill is having a good season by his standards

Alot of English posters don't appreciate Luiz...he should go to a club that plays to his strengths.

Luiz had a good spell under Rafa, but apart from that six months he's been poor. Cahill was bought in as a sqaud player, this season he's been improving with every game, now he's a starter. Of course he made the odd mistake same with any defender, but Luiz constantly does that. It's not even mistakes with Luiz anymore though, he whole game has regressed.

It's not just the English posters, it's most of the Chelsea fans who think he's a liability.