David Luiz

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Luiz should've done better with Anichebe

Exactly.

Laughing at how supposedly Luiz isn't good enough to be a CB here but is the starting CB for a top international team like Brazil?

Because Brazil don't have to deal with players of Anichebe's quality?

People need to relax. We should've played a lot better against WBA in general, those basically scapegoating Luiz for the draw just have an agenda against him IMO.

And you have an agenda as well. He's your favourite player so can you judge him honestly?

It's very easy to say people are scapegoating him but our tactics limited West Brom to one shot on target all game.

Here's a simple question. Was Anichebe's movement too good for a Chelsea-quality defender to defend against? Was it the pace or the movement or the agility of Victor Anichebe's run that made it so good?

he just didn't mark him for the goal.

Why?

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Sorry, was he bullied by Anichebe? He didn't struggle against Victor, he just didn't mark him for the goal.

If you can give me more examples of Luiz struggling against physical strikers then go ahead, if not then sorry I don't think your claim is right.

He did struggle against him. He clearly couldn't match Anichebe's power, so resorted to shirt grabbing. He also lost almost all aerial duels with him when he came on. He is always looking to get in front of his man, getting ridiculously tight, instead of holding his ground. That sort of thing doesn't work against physically strong and tall strikers. If Pepe Mel had watched more tapes, he would have started Anichebe from the get go and it probably would have been worse.

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And you have an agenda as well. He's your favourite player so can you judge him honestly?

I've acknowledged he could've done better but honestly you're acting like he's never had a good game at CB here for us when you and I both know that's far from the truth.

It's very easy to say people are scapegoating him but our tactics limited West Brom to one shot on target all game.

Whilst they had 11 shots to begin with. Yeah only one was on target but to say that only one was threatening? Come on...

Here's a simple question. Was Anichebe's movement too good for a Chelsea-quality defender to defend against? Was it the pace or the movement or the agility of Victor Anichebe's run that made it so good?

The simple answer is that it was a great cross.

Why?

What I think was going through Luiz head is that he saw Cech coming off the line to claim the ball and thought Cech would get it, so he decided he didn't want to collide with Cech so they both don't end up injured.

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Partially at fault for the goal, yes, but he had a good overall game and made some crucial interceptions and blocks. It wasn't a even a 'big' mistake. Anichibe, who had just got on from the bench and was fresh while Luiz had been playing for 86 mins, had a few yards run on him and beat him to the cross. Yes, he should have done better, but I blame Ivanovic for not trying to stop the cross or even put pressure on the player crossing much more than I blame Luiz.

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It's very easy to say people are scapegoating him but our tactics limited West Brom to one shot on target all game.

So what?

How many shots and shots on target didnt de have against Stoke who we won by just 1-0 or against West ham 0-0?

Totally irrelevant.

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Luiz should never play for us at CB again, except in an emergency situation. This WASN'T an emergency situation because we had Ivanovic, a CB who plays at RB. Only god knows how many points this player has cost us in the last 3 years since he's been here. Just this season in the few games he's played at CB : Everton, Cardiff and now WBA. And that's just from memory.

It was rumored at the start of the season that Mourinho wanted both Luiz and Mata out. Jose got rid of Mata. He will surely do the same with Luiz.

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Luiz should never play for us at CB again, except in an emergency situation. This WASN'T an emergency situation because we had Ivanovic, a CB who plays at RB. Only god knows how many points this player has cost us in the last 3 years since he's been here. Just this season in the few games he's played at CB : Everton, Cardiff and now WBA. And that's just from memory.

It was rumored at the start of the season that Mourinho wanted both Luiz and Mata out. Jose got rid of Mata. He will surely do the same with Luiz.

Explain why he was so bad this game that you wrote this? And stick to facts.

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I've acknowledged he could've done better but honestly you're acting like he's never had a good game at CB here for us when you and I both know that's far from the truth.

He's had good games. But I'll take consistency and reliability over 'good games'. For fuck's sake he isn't a bad player so you'd expect him to have had good games amongst the 130-odd he's played for him. That's the bare minimum.

Whilst they had 11 shots to begin with. Yeah only one was on target but to say that only one was threatening? Come on...

We denied them clear goalscoring opportunities. In fact that tactic worked until Luiz lost his man in the 87th minute.

The simple answer is that it was a great cross.

And how would you describe Anichebe's movement? What was so good about it that made Luiz lose his man?

Come on, you're doing quite the Anichebe impression yourself ducking that question.

What I think was going through Luiz head is that he saw Cech coming off the line to claim the ball and thought Cech would get it, so he decided he didn't want to collide with Cech so they both don't end up injured.

I think if you watch the goal then you'll see that's not true. Luiz has already lost Anichebe before Cech leaves his line.

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He did struggle against him. He clearly couldn't match Anichebe's power, so resorted to shirt grabbing. He also lost almost all aerial duels with him when he came on. He is always looking to get in front of his man, getting ridiculously tight, instead of holding his ground. That sort of thing doesn't work against physically strong and tall strikers. If Pepe Mel had watched more tapes, he would have started Anichebe from the get go and it probably would have been worse.

Luiz is the sort of CB that goes for the interception more oft than not, regardless of who he's facing. He wasn't amazing against Victor but he didn't really struggle either.

Again I ask, I would love to know the plethora of powerful strikers Luiz has struggled against?

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He's had good games. But I'll take consistency and reliability over 'good games'. For fuck's sake he isn't a bad player so you'd expect him to have had good games amongst the 130-odd he's played for him. That's the bare minimum.

He WAS consistently good at CB for us though, especially in the second half of last season, which you always completely seem to forget.

We denied them clear goalscoring opportunities. In fact that tactic worked until Luiz lost his man in the 87th minute.

So Ivanovic couldn't have done more to stop the cross? Was the cross an average cross? Couldn't Cech perhaps have gotten there or put some pressure on Anichebe by going for the ball since he did come off his line?

And how would you describe Anichebe's movement? What was so good about it that made Luiz lose his man?

Come on, you're doing quite the Anichebe impression yourself ducking that question.

It goes without saying that

I think if you watch the goal then you'll see that's not true. Luiz has already lost Anichebe before Cech leaves his line.

It wasn't an exceptional run, but that goes without saying. I'm not absorbing Luiz of any blame in the goal, he was definitely partially at fault, but you're acting like it was solely his when there were other factors that affected it.

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Terry and Cahill from now on please.

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God, the overreaction in here is amazing.

Yeah Luiz should've done better with Anichebe but why are people acting like he's never had a good game at CB for us?

Laughing at how supposedly Luiz isn't good enough to be a CB here but is the starting CB for a top international team like Brazil?

People need to relax. We should've played a lot better against WBA in general, those basically scapegoating Luiz for the draw just have an agenda against him IMO.

It's not just the goal. he should have been sent off when he was grabbing Anichebe's shirt in the box. West brom should have had a penalty.

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He WAS consistently good at CB for us though, especially in the second half of last season, which you always completely seem to forget.

He was playing in defence and midfield, but if you want to keep on bringing up the fact that he was good when we were largely SHIT then more power to you.

So Ivanovic couldn't have done more to stop the cross? Was the cross an average cross? Couldn't Cech perhaps have gotten there or put some pressure on Anichebe by going for the ball since he did come off his line?

Cech didn't come out, Ivanovic didn't waggle his hands in the air to stop the cross....anything to avoid criticising your boy. It's alright, no-one begrudges someone saying they were wrong about stuff. It happens a lot in a man's life.

It wasn't an exceptional run, but that goes without saying. I'm not absorbing Luiz of any blame in the goal, he was definitely partially at fault, but you're acting like it was solely his when there were other factors that affected it.

We limited them to a cross into the box aimed at Victor Anichebe. Luiz loses his man AND DOESN'T EVEN CHALLENGE HIS HEADER.

But yeah, he's a scapegoat. There is no pattern of poor play from him this season that saw him DROPPED TWICE and limited to TWO LEAGUE STARTS SINCE NOVEMEBER 2ND.

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Jose's gonna be MAD!!!!

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JT-Cahill in defence and Matic-Luiz in DM makes up our best team IMO. Luiz's long passes to nobody really annoy me. It seems like he's trying to take things in to his own hands, make something happen because we don't necessarily have any other players in our team to spread the play but he hardly ever gets the passes right. It's just gifting the opposition back the ball, and he purposely does it when we have the lead - just boots it upfield to no-one!

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He was playing in defence and midfield, but if you want to keep on bringing up the fact that he was good when we were largely SHIT then more power to you.

Cech didn't come out, Ivanovic didn't waggle his hands in the air to stop the cross....anything to avoid criticising your boy. It's alright, no-one begrudges someone saying they were wrong about stuff. It happens a lot in a man's life.

We limited them to a cross into the box aimed at Victor Anichebe. Luiz loses his man AND DOESN'T EVEN CHALLENGE HIS HEADER.

But yeah, he's a scapegoat. There is no pattern of poor play from him this season that saw him DROPPED TWICE and limited to TWO LEAGUE STARTS SINCE NOVEMEBER 2ND.

I don't get why you don't understand that I do partially blame him for the goal...

Anyway, seems like we're just going round and round here. We'll just leave it there.

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It's not just the goal. he should have been sent off when he was grabbing Anichebe's shirt in the box. West brom should have had a penalty.

Absolutley not. And the ref saw it. Luiz was grabbed and pulled aswell.

Sick of self-announced experts like yourself.

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It's not just the goal. he should have been sent off when he was grabbing Anichebe's shirt in the box. West brom should have had a penalty.

Nope. Think the ref made the correct call. It was a 50/50, both were tugging.