🇧🇷 David Luiz

[BlueSunshine 672]

I wouldn't exactly call Luiz clumsy.He is just overenthusiastic and this attribute leads him sometimes to bad decisions when he is defending.

BUT the positive things he brings to our play (his speed,drives,passes and goals) are far more significant than the negative ones,especially in AVB 's style of football.

[Gil 28]

Fully agree with the OP.

Something that also annoys me regarding Luiz are the fanboys that are adamant he should be playing in defensive midfield. I mean it really doesn't take a genius to realise he wouldn't be able to make those marauding runs with him playing there.

[Tomo 21,751]

Fully agree with the OP.

Something that also annoys me regarding Luiz are the fanboys that are adamant he should be playing in defensive midfield. I mean it really doesn't take a genius to realise he wouldn't be able to make those marauding runs with him playing there.

He nearly got released by Victoria because of below par performances in that position plus when do defenders who are good going forward do well further up? every one thought Alves would be a beast of a winger but was shite when played there.

Also on a side not could you imagine the field day this forum would have had if DAvid Luiz gave away the penalty against Fulham and got sent off instead of Alex?

[Kojo 4,676]

He nearly got released by Victoria because of below par performances in that position plus when do defenders who are good going forward do well further up? every one thought Alves would be a beast of a winger but was shite when played there.

Also on a side not could you imagine the field day this forum would have had if DAvid Luiz gave away the penalty against Fulham and got sent off instead of Alex?

I agree there it would of been a totally different story if David Luiz had done what Alex did.

[manpe 10,861]

Luiz is a very good defender and an accomplished one may I add. I don't understand why people expect perfection all the time from him, hardly any defender is better at covering than him I feel... and he still feels like a new signing to me, in a season, or maybe this season already, he will be a starter. He reminds me of Carvalho, but has more potential imo. He is probably the most exciting player to watch play in defence, I mean did you see when he overlapped he did oversteps? Or his overhead cross against ManU if I remember correctly. Last time I remember a Chelsea player showboating was Ferreira against Kitchee I have never thought he'd be more suited as a full-back or a defensive mid. Terry makes mistakes and gets caught quite often yet it hardly gets noticed, and he used to be a midfielder and a full-back... he started playing as a defender by chance. Luiz was a mid also and he was finally suited in CB and it is the position in which people call him world class.

Now cut it out, it's getting old. People seem to rate Cahill more as a defender, which is a joke imo.

[didierforever 7,349]

CLUMSY... no i definitely wont call him that. but he does have some moments when it seems that he cant help himself for making some silly tackles but i am sure it will improve with time plus the old trafford mistake was just a one off thing and we need to get over it.

[Tomo 21,751]

@manpe

Ferreira is a bit of a showboater at times, i remember in injury time against Arsenal at The Bridge last season he did a trick which took 2 Arsenal players out of the game

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Yes he is. But that's what makes him a great defender and a fan favorite.

[teignman 441]

I wouldn't go so far as to call him clumsy. He's a bit overzealous at times and makes rash challenges. He's got a lot of raw ability and has only been playing as a central defender for the past 4 years (also playing as a fullback at times during that stretch). So he's not the finished article quite yet.

It's tough to find a balance between not shying away from a challenge and not being a foul and card machine. David has an excellent teacher though in JT. If he avails himself of this resource and applies himself more to the cerebral aspects of his position, I see no reason why he shouldn't be a top class central defender.

[warnie_666 1,081]

I won't call him a clumsy defender. Most of the games he plays well but he makes one mistake that ends up costly. Against Fulham he should have been off by then he was good in the next games. Again he tends to be over enthusiatic when it comes to winning the ball in the box. I wouldn't call him superb untill he consistently puts in a good performance.

But what I do like about him is his ball playing skills

[zolayes 14,489]

Good thread Sloth ..you must start them more often.

with regard to Luiz

1 He has the most important attribute of any CB or keeper.He is completely fearless . The downside is this will at times lead to reckless

challenges.

2 What he also brings is tremendous pace .As such it makes him a perfect partner for JT. He has the pace to cover if John is done for

pace.

3 IMO JT and Carv were a perfect CB partnership..Ricky had the experience( was there a better shirt puller in the PL?).

We cant expect David to show the experience of Ricky just yet. I do believe he has the potential to be just as good.

The added bonus of his play going forward ,already the equal of Ricky means we have what i very few years time could be the best

centre back in the world.

KTF and back him to the hilt.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Why do you think that?, he's not clumsy he goes in for the tackle and if he gets it wrong people think he's clumsy. The one against Birmingham was uncessary yes!, but what he's doing is making a name for himself, if he got it right and got the ball, the oppesition would know he's a fucking beast, defenders have to make reputations for themselves, so it unerves the oppenent, especially defenders like David Luiz. You can go on about all this experience he needs but at the end of the day what experience?, i don't think it will make him better, it will just make him be less aggressive, and i would much rather have him more aggressive, because he's better that way. You can't have a defender to perfect, it's just not possible, you have to pshycic, every big tackle is a gamble, and when people want him to be less 'clumsy', that will be meaning he will be giving oppenents more time on the ball instead of closing them down, now if he does that and the oppesition score. People will complain about how much Luiz is giving the openent time on the ball, people just need to accept David Luiz is that defender who will make mistakes, because he simply has to, no one can be that perfect.

I'm not saying he's a bad defender. I think he's the best one on our squad. I just think he makes silly challenges frequently.

[termninja 5,290]

Ah I came here ready to blow someone away thinking this was a new thread slating Luiz's defensive capabilities :champions:

Great post mate and I absolutely agree. He is absolutely a phenomenal player and with the goes on he'll only get better. Once he learns English well I look forward to seeing him on CTV cameras! Legend!

[Kojo 4,676]

Good thread Sloth ..you must start them more often.

with regard to Luiz

1 He has the most important attribute of any CB or keeper.He is completely fearless . The downside is this will at times lead to reckless

challenges.

2 What he also brings is tremendous pace .As such it makes him a perfect partner for JT. He has the pace to cover if John is done for

pace.

3 IMO JT and Carv were a perfect CB partnership..Ricky had the experience( was there a better shirt puller in the PL?).

We cant expect David to show the experience of Ricky just yet. I do believe he has the potential to be just as good.

The added bonus of his play going forward ,already the equal of Ricky means we have what i very few years time could be the best

centre back in the world.

KTF and back him to the hilt.

Thanks for the praise Zolayes, yeah Carvalho was a very entertaining defender, i think Luiz is the exact same too, they have similar qualities when going upfront, Carvalho would sometimtes make a good cross or a good pass, Luiz is the same, you never know what to expect out of them, they surprise you. I'm happy he's got that speciality about him. I think the reckless about him was just bad challenges, i think it's in his nature to do that, but i'm sure he will give us much more positives than negatives, he should be able to get better.

I'm not saying he's a bad defender. I think he's the best one on our squad. I just think he makes silly challenges frequently.

lol after reading my last post i think i was incredibly harsh on you there sorry about that, it looked like i was mad, but it's your opinion i suppose, silly challenges you gotta expect from him however.

Ah I came here ready to blow someone away thinking this was a new thread slating Luiz's defensive capabilities :champions:

Great post mate and I absolutely agree. He is absolutely a phenomenal player and with the goes on he'll only get better. Once he learns English well I look forward to seeing him on CTV cameras! Legend!

He's a very funny guy it seems, i can't wait till he learns english too, it should be good. It will also help him with John Terry, i think them two are still adapting to work together, the last two games proved that they wernt to confident on the line but they are getting better, it should be fine though. And yeah i kinda just put that as the topic title to grab attention more than anything, it's pretty awkward to make a thread in the mathiew haridng stand, probably the most active section on this forum and not have any replies at all in the topic. If u understand me

[Wilson 358]

Luiz is a great young defender, he settled in well and he does have more to learn. Luiz isn't clumsy, I think he's a risk taker by going forward a lot, but he does it well, he usually recovers. If not, Mikel/Essien/Ramires does.

[Naked Mole Rat 437]

Luiz is an exceptional defender. His defensive skills (marking and tackling) I think are the best in the team, and recently he's been in the right place at the right time on almost every single occasion. It's true he is a bit clumsy, and I really hate it when he loses out cheaply or makes a stupid challenge that could get him sent off, but he's not much more clumsy than Ivanovic or Terry.

[blue out west 27]

Positioning and feel of the game are things that can't really be taught in training, they are things that will come with seasoning and experience in the league. I feel that right now Alex is a cut above in terms of defending, but he is also slow, Luiz provides better cover in general.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Luiz isn't clumsy at all. He's certainly no worse than Carvalho! I find him like a puppy; he is too eager; too eager to tackle and too eager to get forward. He is still learning and adapting to the Premier League; his discipline is something he is obviously working on. I think he was also affected by being made a scapegoat by Ancelotti at Old Trafford last season, and that is something only game-time will get out of his system.

[Kojo 4,676]

Luiz isn't clumsy at all. He's certainly no worse than Carvalho! I find him like a puppy; he is too eager; too eager to tackle and too eager to get forward. He is still learning and adapting to the Premier League; his discipline is something he is obviously working on. I think he was also affected by being made a scapegoat by Ancelotti at Old Trafford last season, and that is something only game-time will get out of his system.

I was once going on about how he needs dicipline, but i think it's good to see him get forward, look at the damage he done against Bolton whilst doing it, now i'm sure he wont be doing it all the time, AVB should of sorted it out, in the Valencia match he didn't do anything like that. I think in Luiz's case it's one of those where if he gets it right, he's just described as untouchable, one of the greatest defenders in the premier league, if he gets it wrong, well he's a clumsy defender who should be taking more time on the bench and learn how to defend.

[Krypt 241]

Its not that Luiz is clumsy its his decision making , i think Ray Wilkins pointed out against Bolton , instead of just clearing the ball in a tight situation he seems to try the impossible to retain the ball. He is still young and i think he will be the best defender we have in a couple of years time.