Popular Post! TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 7, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted August 7, 2013 David has yet to say he wishes to leave this club and all these " supporters" saying he should be sold if right amount comes in... so if the right amount comes in for hazard or mata or de bruyne we sell them too cause that seems to be all that matters.. not what the player has helped our beloved club accomplish not the fact that he bleeds blue and loves being here.. I feel the people who are for this still have this notion that Luiz is liability which is in fact not true.. The current club captain picks Luiz to be Chelsea legend and captain clearly the players feel he is someone that should be around...My stance on Luiz to be sold is simple.. no way if other teams want him why don't we...Yes, if the right amount for anyone comes in, we should sell them. Nobody is untouchable. None of these players bleed blue except for perhaps ones like Lampard and Terry who have been with us for over a decade. Luiz played longer at Benfica than he has at Chelsea.That's not to say that he isn't loyal, of course he is, just that this idea of players loving the club more than anything is a fan's projection of their own feelings, not the way players actually feel. Our players don't grow up loving Chelsea and play from the time they're kids. We buy them when they are older and they loyalty to Chelsea is literally because we pay them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this but it's the way things are. (Just as we are. If a company offered me double the salary i was getting now, I'd take it. We all would do that.) The money we're talking about for Luiz would make him the most expensive defender in history. Luiz is good, but like almost all players, he's replaceable and for that price, it'd be worth it. chelseathebest, Hannah, The only place to be and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 May I point out ? Manure fans are the most arrogant pigs one can ever face. Over the years, every forum full of manures that I had visited I almost puked over their postings.They are bound to be, they have had the biggest success in the Premier League, however that's all over now Fergie is gone.They will probably turn into Liverpool fans banging on about history soon enough when they can't compete for the title anymore. mediator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman2610 1,417 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Yes, if the right amount for anyone comes in, we should sell them. Nobody is untouchable. None of these players bleed blue except for perhaps ones like Lampard and Terry who have been with us for over a decade. Luiz played longer at Benfica than he has at Chelsea.That's not to say that he isn't loyal, of course he is, just that this idea of players loving the club more than anything is a fan's projection of their own feelings, not the way players actually feel. Our players don't grow up loving Chelsea and play from the time they're kids. We buy them when they are older and they loyalty to Chelsea is literally because we pay them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this but it's the way things are. (Just as we are. If a company offered me double the salary i was getting now, I'd take it. We all would do that.) The money we're talking about for Luiz would make him the most expensive defender in history. Luiz is good, but like almost all players, he's replaceable and for that price, it'd be worth it. and how did terry or lampard become blue by giving their all for a decade.. but before our new players can make it there we are willing to sell them what kind of message is that to an incoming player if you sign for chelsea looking long term and the right price comes we sell you.. and thats not a fans projection of a players loyalty just as jose says he is a blue david and mata have said the same and even the " mercenary" hazard has come out saying things like that.. Just as you in a job look for job security so do players.. and if my employer is good to me at a reasonable rate of wage I am loyal to them but maybe that is just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Yes, if the right amount for anyone comes in, we should sell them. Nobody is untouchable. None of these players bleed blue except for perhaps ones like Lampard and Terry who have been with us for over a decade. Luiz played longer at Benfica than he has at Chelsea.That's not to say that he isn't loyal, of course he is, just that this idea of players loving the club more than anything is a fan's projection of their own feelings, not the way players actually feel. Our players don't grow up loving Chelsea and play from the time they're kids. We buy them when they are older and they loyalty to Chelsea is literally because we pay them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this but it's the way things are. (Just as we are. If a company offered me double the salary i was getting now, I'd take it. We all would do that.) The money we're talking about for Luiz would make him the most expensive defender in history. Luiz is good, but like almost all players, he's replaceable and for that price, it'd be worth it. It is understandable, obviously at any club there will always be fans who are against selling our good players at any cost because of his connection with the club, but the more knowledge fans can see a bigger picture. No body was born to play for Chelsea as you said, only what they do matter. Just like 3-4 years ago Essien was one of the best in his position, I bet at the time many would say he is not for sale at any price too. Now look at him, no one gives a tosh anymore about him after 1-2 years. Same will happen with Luiz, if he doesn't do spectacular stuffs and defend averagely next season, a bid of like £25m comes in and I am sure the majority would take it even though it is impossible to imagine now.Don't get into the Liverpool problem guys, where every good player they had is born to play for them according to their fickle fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Certainly, Chelsea should use the cash. However, him gone, Chelsea´s defense won´t be shattered, I feel.It won't be shattered, but our defense would look a bit pedestrian with very simple CBs. All our rivals (always except Arsenal) would have better options than us.What is really scary to me isn't us losing him - life goes on - but Barcelona getting him. He would solve all their CB problems and they would go back to being the best side in the world IMO. Their biggest problem recently has been that they did not have a CB who could make the defense to midfield transition (hello David!), so they've been employing midfielders in teh CB position which hurts them when they actually have to defend in the box. David is the perfect player for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Even Cristiano Ronaldo, one of the greatest living player of all time is replaceable. Luiz is nothing compare to him. Maybe the only player that is truly irreplaceable atm is Messi because no one can score 50+ goals every season like he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 It won't shattered, but our defense would look a bit pedestrian with very simple CBs. All our rivals (always except Arsenal) would have better options than us.What is really scary to me isn't us losing him - life goes on - but Barcelona getting him. He would solve all their CB problems and would resume being the best side in the world IMO. They had to problems last season: no CB who could make the defense to midfield transition (hello David!), so they've been employing midfielders in teh CB position which hurts them when they actually have to defend in the box. David is the perfect player for them.Is that any difference from we trying to sign Rooney to solves our striker problem? From we signing Hazard to help our creativity problem before?Who are we to deny the other clubs the chance to improve? Sure I hate Barca as much as you are but we cannot have this one sided view. We are trying to sign Rooney is alright while Barca trying to get Luiz is unacceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Ferdinand cost 30million about 10 years ago I think ..looking at transfer inflation it is ridiculous to rate at Luiz at 30 million or less ...Bale 100 million and Luiz 30 million .....not in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 They are bound to be, they have had the biggest success in the Premier League, however that's all over now Fergie is gone.They will probably turn into Liverpool fans banging on about history soon enough when they can't compete for the title anymore.Exactly, Manures are banging about their 20 PL titles, history....repetitiously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Is that any difference from we trying to sign Rooney to solves our striker problem? From we signing Hazard to help our creativity problem before?Who are we to deny the other clubs the chance to improve? Sure I hate Barca as much as you are but we cannot have this one sided view. We are trying to sign Rooney is alright while Barca trying to get Luiz is unacceptable?Well, you are barking at the wrong tree... I'm not too fond of Rooney's current form. Would have signed him a couple of years ago, but not right now.And Rooney's not #1 striker for United -- even his Manager said so -- while Luiz is our absolute best CB; I think his CV/resume is already kind showing that, for club and country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 It won't be shattered, but our defense would look a bit pedestrian with very simple CBs. All our rivals (always except Arsenal) would have better options than us.What is really scary to me isn't us losing him - life goes on - but Barcelona getting him. He would solve all their CB problems and they would go back to being the best side in the world IMO. Their biggest problem recently has been that they did not have a CB who could make the defense to midfield transition (hello David!), so they've been employing midfielders in teh CB position which hurts them when they actually have to defend in the box. David is the perfect player for them.No, it won´t. Plenty of folks there. Azpi, Iva, Cahill, JT, Cole, Bertrand, soon Kalas. If Jose needs to buy, he will.If I were Jose, I would ask Luiz the similar question as Roman asked him. LUIZ DO YOU WANT TO PLAY FOR CHELSEA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 If he does go, these are the candidates to replace him imo that we could get:1. Diego Godin2. Fazio3. Mangala4. Sakho5. Chedjou6. That Greek CB from Schalker who I cba to search his name7. Howedes8. RamiAll are good CB, all quite young apart from Chedjou and none should cost more than £15-£20m max. Well maybe apart from Mangala who we would need to pay his release clause of £30m seeing it is Porto.godin- quite a good defender but not world-class. also too slow and technically limitedfazio- already 26 and hasnt achieved nothing till yet. solid defender but nowhere near luiz classmangala- he is a beast. but porto want 50 m for him.sakho- dont rate him at all. stagnated really in his progress and makes way too much errors.papadopoulos- good CB, but injury-prone as hell. also schalke dont really want to sell him and he still has to learn a lot.höwedes- schalke wont sell him, unless for a really high offer.rami- is awful. have seen enough from him at Valencia and against half-way good strikers he looks embarrasing.so, most of the options you listed, arent really good at all or would be expensive. mangala would be really the only one who could replace him quite well, but he would be really expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 don't see why selling Luiz is even an option. We don't need the money and I don't think they can/will offer enough where the money would be better than keeping Luiz. I realize anything can happen. But we don't need to be a selling club and Luiz is making it clear as of late he wants to stay here. Everyone wants him now after the Confederations Cup and they'll want him even more after the World Cup. If Luiz wants to stay we shouldn't even consider selling. To me he's a big part of the current positive image of the Chelsea squad. Everyone loves him, kids, adults, the other players. The longer he stays he'll only become more important to and more of a leader to the club.Very true!David has a contract until 2017 and has already said he's not nterested in talking to another club.. the performance he showed in the Confederations Cup final against Spain proves why we musn't sell him. He is a big future for the long run, and I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes our new captain after JT chucks it in.I actually consider Barca to be a rival club seeing as we've faced them so many times in Europe, so selling Luiz to them shouldn't even cross anyone's mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Don't forget that omoreu got his work permit.Is really another CB needed if Luiz wants to move?IvanTerryCahilKalasOmoreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustinC 136 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Right. And JT himself has even mentioned Luiz as a preference for the next captain. I really see him and Mata being the next JT and Lampard for our club if we keep them around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Don't forget that omoreu got his work permit.Is really another CB needed if Luiz wants to move?IvanTerryCahilKalasOmoreuRomeu could make his Valencia move permament next summer, so that would be him out of the equasion.Besides, Romeu is more of a CDM than he is a centre back, though he can play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Talk shit reckon the bid was 25M....We should offer them a tenner and a Toffee Crisp for Messi!!! DustinC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drog.ba 239 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 £40m+ and he can go, bring in Hummels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 £40m+ and he can go, bring in Hummelsbecause dortmund will sell him, you know. the same as Lewandowski The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Romeu could make his Valencia move permament next summer, so that would be him out of the equasion.Besides, Romeu is more of a CDM than he is a centre back, though he can play there.Omoreu not Romeu he is a CB that played for the Nigerian NT and had cavani and suarez in his pocket this summer, and he is already ours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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