🇧🇷 David Luiz

[addyz 7]

Sell this guy while we still can get some good cash.

Unneeded. In defense I cant trust him. In midfield we can get a better player for that cash.

[Henrique 9,133]

It was disjointed because Cahill has been nothing short of excellent this season, he has raised his game and his partnership with JT has grew because both have played at a very high level.

What has me being a moderator got to do with with me saying it was a disjointed post?

You failed to understand my post. Thats why you though it was disjointed.

Cahill has been excellent this season, so this is the reason why Luiz is not playing as a CB, because at this moment there is someone better than him, but somehow people are saying he is useless because Cahill is better at this moment. Luiz still is a good defender, and he is sitting on the bench in most games because Cahill is better at this moment, but people still make a big deal of it. For me its a good thing to have a player like Luiz sitting on the bench.

One team is not made for one single season. I still have misgivings about Cahill form in big games: he was far from good in the 1st leg against PSG, and poor in 2nd league against Atlético, and I still have misgivings about his performance in a more audacious tactics (he was the CB when the team conceded 6 goals for Stoke+Sunderland in two games). Terry already is 33, at his age you never how he will be playing next season (thats why the club adopted the one year deal thing with players in their 30s) , just take Lampard as an example. He was really decent last season, this season he was useless, and he will be here next season because of his "legend" status.

Terry+Cahill was a excellent partnership this season, no one can deny that, but thats not a long term solution. Luiz still can be useful in that process, he is the younger of our CBs at the end of the day.

So, thats was an irony, for you.

[didierforever 7,349]

No, Mourinho will choose Ramires and DL in both position until we got Matic.

Once Matic was here, the combination of DL-Matic became the best.

But as you stated before, in some matches Ramires was not eligible, similar DL, he had some injuries and such.

But when fully fit, It would be Matic-DL

:carlo2: after matic came in, these are the PL matches we have played

united - DL and rambo

whu - rambo starting, DL on the bench

city - DL and rambo both starting

newcastle - DL started as a CB. matic, lamps-matic pivot

wba - rambo starts, luiz as CB

everton - rambo starts, DL not in the squad

fulham - rambo starts, DL as a 86th minute sub

spurs - rambo starts,DL not in the squad

villa - rambo starts,DL not in the squad (injury)

rambo misses 3 matches in ban, comes back

swansea - rambo starts, DL on the bench

sunderland- rambo starts, DL on the bench

so dude, whenever, rambo and DL are eligible, it has been rambo who has started.

[Fernando 6,585]

:carlo2: after matic came in, these are the PL matches we have played

united - DL and rambo

whu - rambo starting, DL on the bench

city - DL and rambo both starting

newcastle - DL started as a CB. matic, lamps-matic pivot

wba - rambo starts, luiz as CB

everton - rambo starts, DL not in the squad

fulham - rambo starts, DL as a 86th minute sub

spurs - rambo starts,DL not in the squad

villa - rambo starts,DL not in the squad (injury)

rambo misses 3 matches in ban, comes back

swansea - rambo starts, DL on the bench

sunderland- rambo starts, DL on the bench

so dude, whenever, rambo and DL are eligible, it has been rambo who has started.

uhhhm you take Ramires ban and such into account.

What about DL injury?

And you missing some games men. Where is Arsenal, Liverpool and such?

[didierforever 7,349]

uhhhm you take Ramires ban and such into account.

What about DL injury?

And you missing some games men. Where is Arsenal, Liverpool and such?

oh dear god, these are all the games that rambo was eligible. arsenal,palace, stoke, pool, norwich, cardiff - were the games he was banned for.

lets even ONLY take the games where both of them were in the matchday squad, still

united - DL and rambo

whu - rambo starting, DL on the bench

city - DL and rambo both starting

newcastle - DL started as a CB. matic, lamps-matic pivot

wba - rambo starts, luiz as CB

fulham - rambo starts, DL as a 86th minute sub

rambo misses 3 matches in ban, comes back

swansea - rambo starts, DL on the bench

sunderland- rambo starts, DL on the bench

who do you see starting more?

[Fernando 6,585]

oh dear god, these are all the games that rambo was eligible. arsenal,palace, stoke, pool, norwich, cardiff - were the games he was banned for.

lets even ONLY take the games where both of them were in the matchday squad, still

united - DL and rambo

whu - rambo starting, DL on the bench

city - DL and rambo both starting

newcastle - DL started as a CB. matic, lamps-matic pivot

wba - rambo starts, luiz as CB

fulham - rambo starts, DL as a 86th minute sub

rambo misses 3 matches in ban, comes back

swansea - rambo starts, DL on the bench

sunderland- rambo starts, DL on the bench

who do you see starting more?

Seems like about even to me.

[didierforever 7,349]

Seems like about even to me.

rambo started 6 matches in the pivot (not counting the city match), 1 game as a RW.

DL started 2 matches in the pivot, 2 as a CB.

in a total sample set of 8 matches, not taking into account the 3 matches where DL was not in the matchday squad (one of those 3 matches were spurs at 8th march, 2 days after DL played for brazil, same as rambo hence saying he was injured is a maybe for me). (another of those matches are villa on 15th march, 2 days before he was on the bench against gala but lets give him the benefit of doubt there),

[Fernando 6,585]

rambo started 6 matches in the pivot (not counting the city match), 1 game as a RW.

DL started 2 matches in the pivot, 2 as a CB.

in a total sample set of 8 matches, not taking into account the 3 matches where DL was not in the matchday squad (one of those 3 matches were spurs at 8th march, 2 days after DL played for brazil, same as rambo hence saying he was injured is a maybe for me). (another of those matches are villa on 15th march, 2 days before he was on the bench against gala but lets give him the benefit of doubt there),

Why 2 for CB? Because it was needed like with Ramires on the RW right?

That shows flexibility then.

Anyhow I don't take into account injuries, but surely ban.

A player that gets ban stupidly is on him.

That's a difference then being injured or being ineligible like Matic in CL.

[didierforever 7,349]

Why 2 for CB? Because it was needed like with Ramires on the RW right?

That shows flexibility then.

Anyhow I don't take into account injuries, but surely ban.

A player that gets ban stupidly is on him.

That's a difference then being injured or being ineligible like Matic in CL.

well, thats why i dint take into account the game he played as RW. the games they have started as CMs is 6-2 in a 8 match sample. should tell u a lot in that too.

i was not defending rambo. anyone who puts in a tackle like he did against villa, deserves to be banned. again, its all on your first statement and the follow ups. jose has chosen rambo over luiz.

[Special Juan 28,141]

You failed to understand my post. Thats why you though it was disjointed.

Cahill has been excellent this season, so this is the reason why Luiz is not playing as a CB, because at this moment there is someone better than him, but somehow people are saying he is useless because Cahill is better at this moment. Luiz still is a good defender, and he is sitting on the bench in most games because Cahill is better at this moment, but people still make a big deal of it. For me its a good thing to have a player like Luiz sitting on the bench.

One team is not made for one single season. I still have misgivings about Cahill form in big games: he was far from good in the 1st leg against PSG, and poor in 2nd league against Atlético, and I still have misgivings about his performance in a more audacious tactics (he was the CB when the team conceded 6 goals for Stoke+Sunderland in two games). Terry already is 33, at his age you never how he will be playing next season (thats why the club adopted the one year deal thing with players in their 30s) , just take Lampard as an example. He was really decent last season, this season he was useless, and he will be here next season because of his "legend" status.

Terry+Cahill was a excellent partnership this season, no one can deny that, but thats not a long term solution. Luiz still can be useful in that process, he is the younger of our CBs at the end of the day.

So, thats was an irony, for you.

So because Luiz is younger he can be useful? I'm sorry but Luiz was bought in January of 2012 and still to this day has not cemented his spot into this team. He has been far from solid as a CB and thus was moved to CM where he hasn't been much better.

Luiz is the crossword that has never been solved but I hear people saying he is outstanding for Brazil yet he has played some very average games for Chelsea to a point people calling him world class. This guy should be sold, he fetches good money, he hasn't fulfilled his so called potential here and selling him for 30M is like getting Costa for nothing.

You are saying that next season may not be the same and using the crystal ball method……I can do that, Luiz isn't a long term solution because he doesn't have a consistent position, does he? the rumours of him being sold aren't for no reason, I fully believe that Jose doesn't trust this bloke because for me he has been very, very inconsistent.

30M, I will fly the plane.

[Barbara 15,149]

I think it's a risk to keep only Terry and Cahill as experienced defenders.

Don't even start the bullshit about Ivanovic being a replacement. I wasn't part of his forum last season, but I know how terrible at moments all of those three looked (Terry, Cahill and Iva) and Luiz was by far our best defender.

Then this season things changed. Cahill improved, Iva stopped playing as a CB and Terry stayed healthy. Is it written in the rock that those three things will remain the same? We don't know if Cole is staying (don't think he is), we don't know if Luke is coming, so we actually need Iva as a RB (even with Cole here we need Iva to play as a RB).

So we have Kalas and Zouma and if one between Terry and Cahill (especially the former) gets injured for longer than a couple of weeks, that's who we're relying on? Kalas and Zouma? I actually do believe they'll be great for us soon, but that's a lot unnecessary pressure and that's not how Mourinho likes his defense. If Courtois comes (and I think he will), I think Mourinho will stick with experience more than anything else in the four defenders. Cole has been unreliable as a defender lately, being much more useful and trustful in the attack.

I can understand the money talking, I even agree financially is good business. Luiz isn't Mata. We can't even start compare the situations. Luiz is versatile, is much more suited to our system than Mata ever dreamed of, and Luiz had a dip of form that justified his absence. I'm not saying the deal won't happen. I used to be convinced through all season :Luiz couldn't leave. I'm not as much right now because he's the kind of player José likes to have in the squad and if he has a great WC and finds form, I'm still pretty convinced he's staying.

[bushman 2,043]

Luiz is a hoof ball specialist. Let him hoof it in Barcelona.

[The Skipper 20,609]

I think it's a risk to keep only Terry and Cahill as experienced defenders.

Don't even start the bullshit about Ivanovic being a replacement. I wasn't part of his forum last season, but I know how terrible at moments all of those three looked (Terry, Cahill and Iva) and Luiz was by far our best defender.

Then this season things changed. Cahill improved, Iva stopped playing as a CB and Terry stayed healthy. Is it written in the rock that those three things will remain the same? We don't know if Cole is staying (don't think he is), we don't know if Luke is coming, so we actually need Iva as a RB (even with Cole here we need Iva to play as a RB).

So we have Kalas and Zouma and if one between Terry and Cahill (especially the former) gets injured for longer than a couple of weeks, that's who we're relying on? Kalas and Zouma? I actually do believe they'll be great for us soon, but that's a lot unnecessary pressure and that's not how Mourinho likes his defense. If Courtois comes (and I think he will), I think Mourinho will stick with experience more than anything else in the four defenders. Cole has been unreliable as a defender lately, being much more useful and trustful in the attack.

I can understand the money talking, I even agree financially is good business. Luiz isn't Mata. We can't even start compare the situations. Luiz is versatile, is much more suited to our system than Mata ever dreamed of, and Luiz had a dip of form that justified his absence. I'm not saying the deal won't happen. I used to be convinced through all season :Luiz couldn't leave. I'm not as much right now because he's the kind of player José likes to have in the squad and if he has a great WC and finds form, I'm still pretty convinced he's staying.

Top post, but some just have an agenda against Luiz and will always deride him in any way they can.

[Henrique 9,133]

So because Luiz is younger he can be useful? I'm sorry but Luiz was bought in January of 2012 and still to this day has not cemented his spot into this team. He has been far from solid as a CB and thus was moved to CM where he hasn't been much better.

Luiz is the crossword that has never been solved but I hear people saying he is outstanding for Brazil yet he has played some very average games for Chelsea to a point people calling him world class. This guy should be sold, he fetches good money, he hasn't fulfilled his so called potential here and selling him for 30M is like getting Costa for nothing.

You are saying that next season may not be the same and using the crystal ball method……I can do that, Luiz isn't a long term solution because he doesn't have a consistent position, does he? the rumours of him being sold aren't for no reason, I fully believe that Jose doesn't trust this bloke because for me he has been very, very inconsistent.

30M, I will fly the plane.

You are wrong. Luiz was a starting CB since january 2012. Under AVB, under RDM and under Benitez. Benitez decided to use him as a DM because he believed Luiz was a better option in that position than Mikel, not because he was "far from solid as a CB". When he wasn't playing as a DM, he was playing as a CB. This is the first season Luiz lost his spot as a CB in the starting eleven. Thas a fact. Mourinho was the first manager to see Cahill as a better option than Luiz, thats another fact.

I'm not using the crystal ball method. Its obvious Cahill+Terry are not a long term solution. One is already 33 years old, and another one is far from a "solid rock defender" as some of you are trying to picture. I said it many times, Cahill+Terry were the CB when the team conceded 6 goals to Stoke + Sunderland. Cahill + Terry were there when the team conceded 3 goals to PSG in one game, and 3 games to Atletico in another. You need to analise the whole season. Terry also scored an own goal against Palace in a decisive game, you can't even say he was unlucky.

Both were great this season? Yes if you consider we are a 3rd place PL side, and got trashed at home in the semi-finals, and don't tell me they have nothing to do with the bad results this season, they are part of the problem. We need to improve in every aspect next season, we need a better defense.

I think if we sell Luiz and don't buy another CB next season, we will be in trouble, and the club will probably spend some millions in winter window to fix the problem.

And I use the rumors argument here as well: the rumors about BARCELONA and PSG interest aren't for no reason. He is not leaving for a small side in Premier League or to play in Turkey or Greece, he is leaving for a huge amount of money, considering he is a CB. He is not leaving for half of the money we paid 2 and half years ago.

It seems you really know one thing or two about disjointed posts, don't you?

[Henrique 9,133]

Top post, but some just have an agenda against Luiz and will always deride him in any way they can.

Its intriguing that the most loud voices against Luiz always come from english members...

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Luiz is a hoof ball specialist. Let him hoof it in Barcelona.

..hoof ball specialist?!

Where everyone says he's a 'better midfield player' because of his footwork, you've labelled him a hoof specialist? Cahill has 'hoofed' the ball away many times this season.. In fact everyone has when we've been pushed against it in the final 10 minutes.

He still has to work on controlling when exactly he chooses to carry the ball out of possession but his ability on the ball surely can't be going against him?

[Nike 373]

Pique went from scrub at United to world class at Barcelona, I fully expect Luiz to rise higher than Pique...

At PSG, I fully expect him to get the world class label as well.

Mourinho better make sure he has a better replacement...

[iseah100 5,612]

Pique went from scrub at United to world class at Barcelona, I fully expect Luiz to rise higher than Pique...

At PSG, I fully expect him to get the world class label as well.

Mourinho better make sure he has a better replacement...

Exactly. People talking shit about him now will regret when we have to score against him+Pique in the CL.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Recent rumour said that Bayern interested to buy Luiz too in around 25 millions.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Its intriguing that the most loud voices against Luiz always come from english members...

I'm sorry, but how many times does this member have to imply there's some xenophobic or racist agenda behind some people's comments before he's reprimanded?

Don't even start the bullshit about Ivanovic being a replacement.

It's not bullshit. Ivanovic is a very capable central defender and has shown it on numerous occasions, like at Liverpool a couple of weeks ago. He made a couple of errors last season but I would still trust him over Luiz.

So we have Kalas and Zouma and if one between Terry and Cahill (especially the former) gets injured for longer than a couple of weeks, that's who we're relying on? Kalas and Zouma? I actually do believe they'll be great for us soon, but that's a lot unnecessary pressure and that's not how Mourinho likes his defense.

When Terry was injured for a couple of weeks Luiz was drafted in. Fortunately the first game was against Newcastle who had no fight in them, although Luiz still made a couple of errors. The second game was against West Brom when he lost Anichebe in the 87th minute and he scored.

David Luiz hasn't played in defence since.

he's the kind of player José likes to have in the squad

We'll see, but I absolutely think he isn't a Jose-type of player and I think Jose has realised that ever since he dropped him for the second time in November.