Jase 43,479 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 He has all the attributes of a right-back, to me....Funnily enough, he played there against Stoke under RDM 2 seasons ago and it didn't really work out all too well IIRC. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I still think he's class myself. He brings a lot of qualities to our team The_Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I still think he's class myself. He brings a lot of qualities to our teamTotally agree, and brings such fun in the dressing room as well. AndersonBLUE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 He has all the attributes of a right-back, to me....Or we could just stick with him as a CB instead of trying him in yet another position... Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Tried so many time, never did anything good there.Ok?I actually think something like this would work absolutley perfect at many times.CechAzpi - Iva - Terry - ColeRamires - Luiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Kills 164 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Funnily enough, he played there against Stoke under RDM 2 seasons ago and it didn't really work out all too well IIRC.If it's the same match I'm thinking of, he really looked disinterested in attacking or was strictly told not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Luiz is a center-back, end of it. If someone else is playing better than him, he has to get his shit together and win back his position in the team as a center-back.We don't have problems in the right-back and although we do have in the pivot, Luiz isn't the answer to that and he can contribute to improving it by playing well as a CB,with his good distribution and long passes - that while are not as accurate as a DLP, he makes up for the lack of one, but as a CB, not a DM.Hopefully playing for the national team will give him some confidence and he'll come back to us fired up or at least more consistent. But imo there's only one position for him to play and one where he can offer something more and be a differential for us, and that is by Terry's side. Until his level prevents him from starting, he should be benched and Mourinho's and Luiz's efforts should be on making him a better CB. The only place to be, Dion and Rmpr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Square peg in a round hole shifting him all over the place. The fact remains he is a CB and that's that, he needs to start showing his worth in that position alone, let's just hope he can because right now I am not so sure. The only place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 David started both friendlies for Brazil and was captain in the first one when Thiago did not play.His passing was the usual, great overall, but I was particularly impressed by his long passing against Chile because Chile apply pressure very high up the pitch; their players had obviously been instructed to stop David from carrying the football. Still, he assisted! Neymar, hulk, and Oscar a few times even under pressure from the back.... really incredible stuff.On the defensive side he looked better with faster play and interceptions. He was slow to close down on Chile's goal though: Thiago completely missed his aerial interception leaving David as the last man (big no no), David attempted a block but was just too far from the player (Vargas), and finally Julio Cesar had no reaction - Brazil's weakest link IMO. Brazil don't produce great Gk unfortunately.I've been paying attention to Luiz performances for Brazil and I think it's not just sharpness; he's a bit slower than he was last season. Not sure whether it was due to too much partying after the Conf Cup win, too much fun on vacation, who knows?! Still, I see he's lacking fitness for both Chelsea and Brazil.BTW, the irony of it is that if we go back a few (many) pages, we will see many ppl complaining of how aggressive luiz is and how he needs to tone it down a bit; now we feel he's not been aggressive enough and too lax. Rmpr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Its really embarrassing for Mourinho. Luiz captain for Brazil NT, playing good football, while Cahill can't even start for poor English team. Mourinho must do something quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Brazil don't produce great Gk unfortunatelyI agree with your analyses about Luiz performance. However, Brazil has had amazing keepers throughout our history. Some of the all time best, imo. Barbara and Korea 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I agree with your analyses about Luiz performance.However, Brazil has had amazing keepers throughout our history. Some of the all time best, imo.Dida was really amazing. However, he died out pretty fast..JC was at a point fighting for top gk as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Dida was really amazing. However, he died out pretty fast..JC was at a point fighting for top gk as well. Not disagreeing with you (when talking about his peak), but Dida is Gremio's goalkeeper 2nd in the Brasileiro with 2 matches to go. Vargas who scored for Chile is also tehre, on loan, from Napoli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Its really embarrassing for Mourinho. Luiz captain for Brazil NT, playing good football, while Cahill can't even start for poor English team. Mourinho must do something quickly.It really doesn't matter what Luiz does for Brazil. He has to be consistent for us, and when he is then he won't get dropped. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Sheva. 5,373 Posted November 21, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted November 21, 2013 He'll be back in the team soon enough, after that shambolic defending against WBA. Barbara, The Skipper, robsblubot and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 It really doesn't matter what Luiz does for Brazil. He has to be consistent for us, and when he is then he won't get dropped.Your argument would make sense if Cahill was consistent, which he pedantically is, consistently terrible that is...If Luiz doesn't get in the team he'll leave in January, probably for Barca, and I wish him good luck.As things stand he doesn't quite fit Mourinho's system, the way we have been playing deep to compensate for Terry's lack of pace/mobility. Under ABV or Rafa he was at home and Terry was like a rabbit caught in the headlights.They're both players I like and admire, but the system that fits one doesn't suit the other. Luiz is immense for Brazil because Scolari plays an intermittent false third centre half in Luis Gustavo who seamlessly fills in when either Silva or Luiz are up the field. It works a treat, but our pivots can't even do their own jobs let alone cover for other players, meaning there's no chance we could try something similar as of now. robsblubot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 He'll be back in the team soon enough, after that shambolic defending against WBA.Agreed. If even after WBA game David doesn't get the nod, then he needs to move.THe only question mark is Roman who's said to be a big fan of Luiz. ChelseasMessiah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Agreed. If even after WBA game David doesn't get the nod, then he needs to move.THe only question mark is Roman who's said to be a big fan of Luiz.I think he's got a much better chance of coming in against Basel, rather than a high pressure London derby.Cahill really wasn't the disaster against West Brom that some people seem to want to make him out to be whereas Luiz has been dropped TWICE now for poor performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I think he's got a much better chance of coming in against Basel, rather than a high pressure London derby.Cahill really wasn't the disaster against West Brom that some people seem to want to make him out to be whereas Luiz has been dropped TWICE now for poor performances.that's where we all disagree here: some of us think Cahill is not good enough == consistently poor. ChelseasMessiah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 that's where we all disagree here: some of us think Cahill is not good enough == consistently poor.I think a fair few people have an agenda. Personally I think he has his place, but right now he's probably a more consistent partner for JT considering Luiz's rather erratic recent form.Luiz has the physical and technical attributes but he's put in disgraceful performances for us this season that make me question how much he values wearing the shirt. Cahill has never made me question his commitment. Starman60 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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