YouNameIt 1,511 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Unpredictable and eccentric. Great adjectives for a foward, not for a defender.Are you fucking kidding me? please tell me you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Was out of position for the second goal. Made a few other mistakes like the shoulder pass to a Utd player when he should of just headed the ball away and when he won the tackle on Rafael and tried some stupid skill instead of a simple pass. Slightly improvement though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Was out of position for the second goal. Made a few other mistakes like the shoulder pass to a Utd player when he should of just headed the ball away and when he won the tackle on Rafael and tried some stupid skill instead of a simple pass. Slightly improvement though.Do you know why he was out of position?! He ran to the left to cover Ashley who wasn't there. Simply incredible ppl are criticizing him today when Cahill had a far poorer game. Not that I think the poor performance had much to do with the defenders mind you.Football is a bit more complicated than: if you concede, it's the defender's fault and if you don't score, it's the forwarder's fault. Defending is the responsibility of the entire team and so is attacking. If the defenders cannot pass the ball, for example, it hurts attacking. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Do you know why he was out of position?! He ran to the left to cover Ashley who wasn't there. Simply incredible ppl are criticizing him today when Cahill had a far poorer game. Not that I think the poor performance had much to do with the defenders mind you.Football is a bit more complicated than: if you concede, it's the defender's fault and if you don't score, it's the forwarder's fault. Defending is the responsibility of the entire team and so is attacking. If the defenders cannot pass the ball, for example, it hurts attacking.Agreed. As much as I love A. Cole, I have to say he had a bad start today. Just watch the game again and look how much space he's given Valencia at the beginning of the first half. Not only in the second goal. He got better in the game later, though. laeth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Was out of position for the second goal. Made a few other mistakes like the shoulder pass to a Utd player when he should of just headed the ball away and when he won the tackle on Rafael and tried some stupid skill instead of a simple pass. Slightly improvement though.He wasnt out of position,he was doing what a CB should, covering Cole.Cahill was at fault for not clearing that ball.Both Luiz and Cahill pass no confidence at all to me and both were bad.The only good thing about Luiz today was that he showed leadership skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Once again, David is criticized for the style of his play, rather than his performance.He was Chelsea's best defender against United.RVP beat Cahill twice, once for each goal. So much for being predictable...However, can you really fault Cahill too much? RVP is one of the best strikers in the world and I feel Chelsea (read RDM) should've handled him differently: some f* cover?!Take it back cowboy.1. Look at the time I posted this. It was literally in the first minute of the game, before his O.G., before Van Rapist's goal, before Chicharito's goal. So my post being at all being a criticism of his performance would be apocryphal.2.You damn right I was criticising his style and not his performance. That was the whole damn point of this post.3. I have no idea what Gary Cahill has at all do with my post, as I recall writing about Luiz not Cahill. If I wanted to write about Cahill, I would have posted in his thread.Are you fucking kidding me? please tell me you areAre you fucking kiddding me? Is that all you've to say? Are you sure you didn't forget to call me 'cunt' or a 'dickhead'? You have anything else worthwhile to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Luiz and Cahill as a partnership does not work, it has almost always ended badly against any half decent team Munich the exception to the rule.A new centre half has to be high priority this summer, these two should never play together again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land 331 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 We have 3 priorities by next summer,a CB,Ramires sub if Lamps leaves and a striker that can score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Alan Hansen had a field day ripping in to him on MOTD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Hansen had a few valid points to be fair to him, but to just pick up on just david luiz performance was a bit harsh, cahill didnt have the best of games either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Pick on Luiz cause it's easy. Joke of an analyst. Not saying he had a good showing, but he was still the best overall out of the back 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 He must stop playing long passes, it hurts watching them. mediator and Strike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Take it back cowboy.1. Look at the time I posted this. It was literally in the first minute of the game, before his O.G., before Van Rapist's goal, before Chicharito's goal. So my post being at all being a criticism of his performance would be apocryphal.2.You damn right I was criticising his style and not his performance. That was the whole damn point of this post.3. I have no idea what Gary Cahill has at all do with my post, as I recall writing about Luiz not Cahill. If I wanted to write about Cahill, I would have posted in his thread.His own goal!?! Petr is still trying to put the post back together after it got shattered by RVP strike.I think it's enough to say I completely disagree with your opinion concerning David. I'm willing to bet that if we bring any other defender, regardless of fame, he will suffer the same way. People wanted a more attacking-minded side, but don't seem to be willing to pay the price: guess what, the price is that the defenders will be exposed.Both Cahill and David are relatively young for defenders. I personally think David will become one of the best defenders in the world very soon (he's already very good). Brazil management seem to believe the same (so do Chelsea's). Positioning and awareness are traits defenders learn as they age; much harder to improve technique though.It just baffles me that all that these same defenders have accomplished (you know getting tested by the best among the best) in the last CL can be forgotten so easily after a drastic change in the system. And yet, people don't connect the dots: same players, different system.Anyway, I'm tired of defending Luiz here. If you really want a boring drone in defense, I am not the one you must convince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 His own goal!?! Petr is still trying to put the post back together after it got shattered by RVP strike.I think it's enough to say I completely disagree with your opinion concerning David. I'm willing to bet that if we bring any other defender, regardless of fame, he will suffer the same way. People wanted a more attacking-minded side, but don't seem to be willing to pay the price: guess what, the price is that the defenders will be exposed.Both Cahill and David are relatively young for defenders. I personally think David will become one of the best defenders in the world very soon (he's already very good). Brazil management seem to believe the same (so do Chelsea's). Positioning and awareness are traits defenders learn as they age; much harder to improve technique though.It just baffles me that all that these same defenders have accomplished (you know getting tested by the best among the best) in the last CL can be forgotten so easily after a drastic change in the system. And yet, people don't connect the dots: same players, different system.Anyway, I'm tired of defending Luiz here. If you really want a boring drone in defense, I am not the one you must convince.What on earth are you rambling about? How on earth do you get any of this out of "Unpredictable and eccentric. Great adjectives for a foward, not for a defender"? That is hardly bashing Luiz, if it's bashing at all. And once again you bring up Cahill, why? I didn't even mention Cahill once, none of this about Cahill!I for one didn't say I wanted a more attacking side, I belong to the typical Italian school of thought where defence takes priority. I fell in love with Jose's boring old Chelsea and if I had it my way it would still be that way and I'm not saying I dont' appreciate this new style.You seem to believe I'm saying that Luiz is a terrible defender, but when and where have I said that? You're pulling things out of the air. I said he has two traits that are not typically desirable in a defender, but once not once did I say he was a bad defender. Mate, you have missed the point and taken everything out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ay 66 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Does anyone remember Coloccini's early years as a defender? For both Milan and his first season with Newcastle, he was pretty woeful. Excellent technique and ball skills but pretty much a zero at positioning and was apt to run around like a headless chicken. Now at 30, he's one of the EPL's best defenders.If Luiz can learn how to defend properly and mature into his role, he'll be a world beater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 What on earth are you rambling about? How on earth do you get any of this out of "Unpredictable and eccentric. Great adjectives for a foward, not for a defender"? That is hardly bashing Luiz, if it's bashing at all. And once again you bring up Cahill, why? I didn't even mention Cahill once, none of this about Cahill!I for one didn't say I wanted a more attacking side, I belong to the typical Italian school of thought where defence takes priority. I fell in love with Jose's boring old Chelsea and if I had it my way it would still be that way and I'm not saying I dont' appreciate this new style.You seem to believe I'm saying that Luiz is a terrible defender, but when and where have I said that? You're pulling things out of the air. I said he has two traits that are not typically desirable in a defender, but once not once did I say he was a bad defender. Mate, you have missed the point and taken everything out of context.lol I too favor a more defensive style. I've lost too many times to the Italians not to respect the way they play. However, that's not what Chelsea wanted to do with the new signings and the system used. The defense will be exposed. It's just math...However, once again, I will disagree concerning style: a player is either good enough or not. I prefer my CBs to be as skillful as possible for those times when they have to face pacey, strong, and skillful forwarders, like the ones ours had to deal with in the last CL. In those times, I want my defenders to be able to take the ball from the attackers without fouling them... without having to rely only on good positioning, or strength, or even height. I want a defender who is just as confortable on the ball as the forwarders: someone like Baresi for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 lol I too favor a more defensive style. I've lost too many times to the Italians not to respect the way they play. However, that's not what Chelsea wanted to do with the new signings and the system used. The defense will be exposed. It's just math...However, once again, I will disagree concerning style: a player is either good enough or not. I prefer my CBs to be as skillful as possible for those times when they have to face pacey, strong, and skillful forwarders, like the ones ours had to deal with in the last CL. In those times, I want my defenders to be able to take the ball from the attackers without fouling them... without having to rely only on good positioning, or strength, or even height. I want a defender who is just as confortable on the ball as the forwarders: someone like Baresi for example.You see the whole point of my original post was that while Luiz is very capable and talented his prone to unpredicatable and eccentric decisions. For instance against Tottenham when he heads the ball towards Cech without even looking at him; that's a very dangerous thing to do even more so when you consider that Defoe almost latched onto it. Another is against United in 2011 when he charged off the line to knee Rooney in the stomach. That's what I'm referring to, those strange little decisions he makes every so often. Somtimes looking at his skillset I believe he is more suited to play in the fullback position, he is quick, physcial, strong at passing and dribbling and loves to attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,492 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 You see the whole point of my original post was that while Luiz is very capable and talented his prone to unpredicatable and eccentric decisions. For instance against Tottenham when he heads the ball towards Cech without even looking at him; that's a very dangerous thing to do even more so when you consider that Defoe almost latched onto it. Another is against United in 2011 when he charged off the line to knee Rooney in the stomach. That's what I'm referring to, those strange little decisions he makes every so often. Somtimes looking at his skillset I believe he is more suited to play in the fullback position, he is quick, physcial, strong at passing and dribbling and loves to attack.1. charged from the defence and got turned by van persie2. charged from the defence and united sprayed the ball wide and and got it into the box with luiz still trying to get back3. bad position for the own goal. almost as if he was standing so deep to block the shot4. horrible long balls early on in the game+ the needless push on rvp after the red cards. i'd have loved to have depth in the CB department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Two awful shambolic performances in a row. Needs to step it up or warm the bench. Strike and Stingray 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Poor performance, really. He just didn't know what to do most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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