Roman Abramovich Thread

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6 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Nope, a total transfer fees, loan fees,...

Net spent balance is around 1,1bn for City, 700m for Psg, 650m for United, 550m for Barca, 400m for Chelsea and 360m for Real (top 6 net spenders).

Sure we managed to get whole lot of money from sales, but what the fuck did we spend it on? 

Real and Barca are funded by state loans, psg and city use money laundry tactics, United too probably and they get away with ffp still. We did it fairly and got money from sales plus whatever we could afford without breaking ffp. Yet at the end of the day club spent 1,3bn on players like Torres, Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko,...doesnt matter if it was net spend or not. We still forked big chunks of cash on players. 

And before someone still talks about net spent, look at Juve and Real who both did much better than Chelsea over last 8 years and spent less. 

Also talking about not being able to compete with top clubs for top players, its just not true. Maybe the very best (expensive) like Neymar or Mbappe, sure, but 100m something are all available if we decided to go for. While Barca paid 120m on Dembele, we decided to fork 150m on Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Morata. One might think we couldnt afford to pay 120 on single player, but look where Morata, Bakayoko and Drinkwater are now. We had to spend another 60m on Jorginho, Kovacic loan fee and buy Giroud. On top of that very likely we will still need another expensive striker. 

Instead of buying top striker one summer, top midfielder next summer etc etc, we go for these short fixes that in the end cost us time, more cash and just a lot of frustration. 

Either you buy someone cheap and hope he turns well, or just fork whatever necessary for top player. We go for middle with decent, but nothing special players who are done after a season and still cost a shitload of cash. 

The board has zero clue. We have been sorting LB and striker since Cole and Drogba and still couldnt find two fucking players, good enough to stay for like 5 years. And you dont even need to spend shitload of cash. Liverpool got Robertson for peanuts for example. Conte was complaining about signings, as did many fans but lets not forget the problem was who we bought, not the cash. 150m on three players alone, but all were wrong choices. Instead of buying 3 quality players and put 2 from academy,  we go for 5 quantity players. A year later, most suck, so we have to sell them and we need to buy new ones to keep squad numbers and again we dont bring quality. Rinse and repeat. Maybe once every few years, we actualy get a great player like Hazard, Azpi, Jorginho or Kante, but its anomaly not a rule. Our current board needs a damn director and we are fucking with that too for several months now. Cant we just get things done quick like any ambitious club does? Who sticks without dof for so long? And dont get me putting Marina in charge lol. She is good with income, but this needs some football brain. We bought so many shit or temporary players and got rid of so many good ones its no fucking coincidence anymore and no one at the club got the stick yet. 

We can only thank higher force to have luck with managers recently who did wonders with given players. 

Only United is doing worse considering amount of cash spent and results. We won 2 titles yes but we also didnt play CL twice in three years now which is terrible considering all the cash we fork on players. 

P.s. now this seems like a massive rant, but its just pointing how things are IMO. Not that I dont enjoy supprting the team this or any previous seasons. I actualy think we are doing great this year so far. The club given the players is doing very well except for that Mourinho final season and last half of season. But the board is total garbage for years now. They fuck things up and coach gets the blame.

I miss days of Kenyon at helm.

I don't disagree with you at all.  I was just asking if that fee was net, because second highest spend in the league didn't pass the eye (or rather, smell) test.

Our purchases have been terrible as a whole.  I think we got good value for Alonso and Rudiger recently (besides who you have mentioned) but "value" signings are Arsenal-eque level of ambition.  But the summer of '17 was abysmal.  We got in, Zappacosta, Drinkwater, Bakayoko, Morata, and Rudiger.  When you play the 0-net transfer game (and we didn't even do that), you need to do better than 1/5.  

It comes back to the same things, over and over. 

1.  Need a Club Identity. 

2.  A DoF who can oversee that. 

3.  A manager who fits that profile and keeps the team playing in that manner. 

4.  Then, the right players to fit that system (and you get the advantage of being able to spot them when they are younger, because you know what you need). 

The club keep asking the manager to do tasks 1 and 3, while the board gets the players in that fit their profile (whatever that is).  Actually, they want the manager to come in and change the club identity.  The manager is expected to be Cruyff, while the board try to run things like...I don't even know...it's directionless.

Yes, we got Jorginho in who was definitely a Sarri want.  I honestly think we got lucky there.  I think he was in the right place at the right time to stop the pissing match between Marina and ADL.

And yes I agree with you, the team has been fun to watch this season.  But, there is a problem in the background that's been there for years, and it doesn't look like it's getting sorted any time soon.

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roman abramovich list six russian oligarchs targeted uk intelligence

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/07/romanabramovich-list-six-russian-oligarchs-targeted-uk-intelligence/

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15 minutes ago, the wes said:

roman abramovich list six russian oligarchs targeted uk intelligence

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/07/romanabramovich-list-six-russian-oligarchs-targeted-uk-intelligence/

I have been warning of this for ages!! The club NEEDS TO BE SOLD before we get seized and then REALLY fucked. The pressure is only going to get worse as Trump slides down into his pool of shit and the USA House of Representatives (now under full Democratic control) really starts to put the boots to all with massive investigations. Also the Mueller investigation will do tremendous damage to this, and with Brexit, the UK will be drawn evermore into complete orbit with the US, and thus far more likely to strike out viciously at all things Russian.

 

The Prime Minister has approved the list and the names of the oligarchs will be circulated across Whitehall departments and shared with the UK’s allies in Europe and in North America in an attempt to disrupt their ability to travel and to maintain their business empires.

It signals a ratcheting up of Britain’s new cold war with the Kremlin following the nerve agent attack on Salisbury in March.

A senior Whitehall security source said: “The aim of the measures we intend to take is to limit their manoeuvrability and their ability 
to travel and operate freely in Britain, Europe and elsewhere.

“These individuals have been identified as having an extremely close professional and financial relationship with President Putin. We believe they are involved in doing the Kremlin’s bidding on a whole range of fronts, which includes using their financial muscle on behalf of the Russian state.

“Roman Abramovich is on the list because he is 
believed to be Mr Putin’s most important financial supporter.”

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8 hours ago, Vesper said:

I have been warning of this for ages!! The club NEEDS TO BE SOLD before we get seized and then REALLY fucked. The pressure is only going to get worse as Trump slides down into his pool of shit and the USA House of Representatives (now under full Democratic control) really starts to put the boots to all with massive investigations. Also the Mueller investigation will do tremendous damage to this, and with Brexit, the UK will be drawn evermore into complete orbit with the US, and thus far more likely to strike out viciously at all things Russian.

 

The Prime Minister has approved the list and the names of the oligarchs will be circulated across Whitehall departments and shared with the UK’s allies in Europe and in North America in an attempt to disrupt their ability to travel and to maintain their business empires.

It signals a ratcheting up of Britain’s new cold war with the Kremlin following the nerve agent attack on Salisbury in March.

A senior Whitehall security source said: “The aim of the measures we intend to take is to limit their manoeuvrability and their ability 
to travel and operate freely in Britain, Europe and elsewhere.

“These individuals have been identified as having an extremely close professional and financial relationship with President Putin. We believe they are involved in doing the Kremlin’s bidding on a whole range of fronts, which includes using their financial muscle on behalf of the Russian state.

“Roman Abramovich is on the list because he is 
believed to be Mr Putin’s most important financial supporter.”

It's not looking good 

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I knew there was another reason I liked the old boy! He hates Spuds!

 

What Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich said that will anger ALL Tottenham fans

 

ROMAN ABRAMOVICH was once interested in buying Tottenham - but quickly changed his mind after a trip to north London.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/751750/Chelsea-news-Roman-Abramovich-Tottenham-comments

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On 15/11/2018 at 5:34 AM, BlueLyon said:

Nope, a total transfer fees, loan fees,...

Net spent balance is around 1,1bn for City, 700m for Psg, 650m for United, 550m for Barca, 400m for Chelsea and 360m for Real (top 6 net spenders).

Sure we managed to get whole lot of money from sales, but what the fuck did we spend it on? 

Real and Barca are funded by state loans, psg and city use money laundry tactics, United too probably and they get away with ffp still. We did it fairly and got money from sales plus whatever we could afford without breaking ffp. Yet at the end of the day club spent 1,3bn on players like Torres, Morata, Drinkwater, Bakayoko,...doesnt matter if it was net spend or not. We still forked big chunks of cash on players. 

And before someone still talks about net spent, look at Juve and Real who both did much better than Chelsea over last 8 years and spent less. 

Also talking about not being able to compete with top clubs for top players, its just not true. Maybe the very best (expensive) like Neymar or Mbappe, sure, but 100m something are all available if we decided to go for. While Barca paid 120m on Dembele, we decided to fork 150m on Bakayoko, Drinkwater and Morata. One might think we couldnt afford to pay 120 on single player, but look where Morata, Bakayoko and Drinkwater are now. We had to spend another 60m on Jorginho, Kovacic loan fee and buy Giroud. On top of that very likely we will still need another expensive striker. 

Instead of buying top striker one summer, top midfielder next summer etc etc, we go for these short fixes that in the end cost us time, more cash and just a lot of frustration. 

Either you buy someone cheap and hope he turns well, or just fork whatever necessary for top player. We go for middle with decent, but nothing special players who are done after a season and still cost a shitload of cash. 

The board has zero clue. We have been sorting LB and striker since Cole and Drogba and still couldnt find two fucking players, good enough to stay for like 5 years. And you dont even need to spend shitload of cash. Liverpool got Robertson for peanuts for example. Conte was complaining about signings, as did many fans but lets not forget the problem was who we bought, not the cash. 150m on three players alone, but all were wrong choices. Instead of buying 3 quality players and put 2 from academy,  we go for 5 quantity players. A year later, most suck, so we have to sell them and we need to buy new ones to keep squad numbers and again we dont bring quality. Rinse and repeat. Maybe once every few years, we actualy get a great player like Hazard, Azpi, Jorginho or Kante, but its anomaly not a rule. Our current board needs a damn director and we are fucking with that too for several months now. Cant we just get things done quick like any ambitious club does? Who sticks without dof for so long? And dont get me putting Marina in charge lol. She is good with income, but this needs some football brain. We bought so many shit or temporary players and got rid of so many good ones its no fucking coincidence anymore and no one at the club got the stick yet. 

We can only thank higher force to have luck with managers recently who did wonders with given players. 

Only United is doing worse considering amount of cash spent and results. We won 2 titles yes but we also didnt play CL twice in three years now which is terrible considering all the cash we fork on players. 

P.s. now this seems like a massive rant, but its just pointing how things are IMO. Not that I dont enjoy supprting the team this or any previous seasons. I actualy think we are doing great this year so far. The club given the players is doing very well except for that Mourinho final season and last half of season. But the board is total garbage for years now. They fuck things up and coach gets the blame.

I miss days of Kenyon at helm.

big spending Chels is a myth (except for first two years)

 

here is our net spending under Roman

Transfer spending under Abramovich (net)

2003-04: £151.4m
2004-05: £146.8m

NO MORE BIG SPENDING

2005-06: £51.7m
2006-07: £32.2m
2007-08: £13.8m

2008-09: £12.7m PROFIT
2009-10: £23.6m
2010-11: £94.5m

here is the last 8 years

2011-12: £57.7m
2012-13: £75.8m

2013-14  £47.6m

2014-15  £6.4m PROFIT

2015-16  £2.7m

2016-17  £21.9m

2017-18 £54.1m

2018-19 £75.1m (partial)

total

£328.5 for the last 8 years (365.8m euros)

that's almost a BILLION LESS than the article >>> ( https://www.talkchelsea.net/news/chelseas-spending-since-2010-has-been-revealed-and-its-ridiculous/ ) states

£41.1m per year net spend on average

 

total £829.8 m over 16 year time frame that Abramovich has owned us 

works out to around £51.9m NET per year

36% of ALL money net spent was in the first 2 years

take away those first  2 years

the average net spend over last 14 seasons (per year) is £37.8m 

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

big spending Chels is a myth (except for first two years)

 

here is our net spending under Roman

Transfer spending under Abramovich (net)

2003-04: £151.4m
2004-05: £146.8m

NO MORE BIG SPENDING

2005-06: £51.7m
2006-07: £32.2m
2007-08: £13.8m

2008-09: £12.7m PROFIT
2009-10: £23.6m
2010-11: £94.5m

here is the last 8 years

2011-12: £57.7m
2012-13: £75.8m

2013-14  £47.6m

2014-15  £6.4m PROFIT

2015-16  £2.7m

2016-17  £21.9m

2017-18 £54.1m

2018-19 £75.1m (partial)

total

£328.5 for the last 8 years (365.8m euros)

that's almost a BILLION LESS than the article >>> ( https://www.talkchelsea.net/news/chelseas-spending-since-2010-has-been-revealed-and-its-ridiculous/ ) states

£41.1m per year net spend on average

 

total £829.8 m over 16 year time frame that Abramovich has owned us 

works out to around £51.9m NET per year

36% of ALL money net spent was in the first 2 years

take away those first  2 years

the average net spend over last 14 seasons (per year) is £37.8m 

Its good that we sell many players to keep net spending low. But that doesnt change the fact that we fork 200+m every year on new players and generaly do it very bad.

For example two summers ago, we spend 260m on new players. Sure net spent was 60m, because we generated 200m from player sales.

BUT we still spent 260m, we had 260m to spend on new players. And what did we spend 260m on? Bakayokos, Morata, Drinkwaters. 

 260m, we could get top tier player or two.

Im not arguing about our net spend which is very very good. But about the fact we have 200m+ to spend per season and we dont show for it.

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42 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

Its good that we sell many players to keep net spending low. But that doesnt change the fact that we fork 200+m every year on new players and generaly do it very bad.

For example two summers ago, we spend 260m on new players. Sure net spent was 60m, because we generated 200m from player sales.

BUT we still spent 260m, we had 260m to spend on new players. And what did we spend 260m on? Bakayokos, Morata, Drinkwaters. 

 260m, we could get top tier player or two.

Im not arguing about our net spend which is very very good. But about the fact we have 200m+ to spend per season and we dont show for it.

The players we buy mostly turn out either blääää or are shown to be instant or eventual shit. Our success ratio is horrendous. Many of the good ones we end up selling for far too low.

Drinkwater is the first type.

KdB the second.

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Chelsea fans sent worrying Roman Abramovich transfer message by Sky Sports man

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/756696/Chelsea-transfer-news-Roman-Abramovich-Maurizio-Sarri-Sky-Sports

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3 hours ago, mccg said:

Chelsea fans sent worrying Roman Abramovich transfer message by Sky Sports man

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/756696/Chelsea-transfer-news-Roman-Abramovich-Maurizio-Sarri-Sky-Sports

Nothing we don't know already, although I would like to remind everyone that we broke the World Record fee for a GK only in the last window.

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10 minutes ago, DDA said:

Nothing we don't know already, although I would like to remind everyone that we broke the World Record fee for a GK only in the last window.

Its just a load of old tosh created to stir shit and give clicks!

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15 minutes ago, DDA said:

Nothing we don't know already, although I would like to remind everyone that we broke the World Record fee for a GK only in the last window.

Exactly, this can only be news for non-Chelsea fans. That said I think the report is probably inaccurate to say Roman won't sanction big money signings. It's more likely true to say that he won't sanction unfunded spending and that's pretty much been the case for a while. Years in fact.

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1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Exactly this can only be news for non-Chelsea fans. That said I think the report is probably inaccurate to say Roman won't sanction big money signings. It's more likely true to say that he won't sanction unfunded spending and that's pretty much been the case for a while. Years in fact.

What he should be doing is sanctioning the selling of our own Ikea store so we can put that money to good use instead of it bleeding the bank thru paid wages, losing  value and getting rusty and useless.

He should be getting us a real DOF!

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Roman supposedly will not sell to any British buyer (buried in the Kepa story)

WHAT THE FUCKERY

https://blogs.elconfidencial.com/deportes/a-mi-bola/2019-03-04/abramovich-kepa-chelsea-sarri-venta_1858210/

Abramovich and the sale of Chelsea

The most curious of all is that Abramovich also has put on sale to own Chelsea, for an amount that exceeds 2,500 million pounds and one condition: that the London club does not fall in any case in the hands of an English buyer . As is well known, the Russian tycoon lost his British residence by not renewing his special residence permit as a prominent investor in the United Kingdom and has taken up residence in Tel Aviv . Like all Jews, and Roman is, he is entitled to Israeli nationality by the so-called Law of Return . The Hebrew press was the first to report that the owner of the Chelsea lodged the application with the Israeli Embassy in Moscow and a few days later he was a citizen there.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Roman supposedly will not sell to any British buyer (buried in the Kepa story)

WHAT THE FUCKERY

https://blogs.elconfidencial.com/deportes/a-mi-bola/2019-03-04/abramovich-kepa-chelsea-sarri-venta_1858210/

Abramovich and the sale of Chelsea

The most curious of all is that Abramovich also has put on sale to own Chelsea, for an amount that exceeds 2,500 million pounds and one condition: that the London club does not fall in any case in the hands of an English buyer . As is well known, the Russian tycoon lost his British residence by not renewing his special residence permit as a prominent investor in the United Kingdom and has taken up residence in Tel Aviv . Like all Jews, and Roman is, he is entitled to Israeli nationality by the so-called Law of Return . The Hebrew press was the first to report that the owner of the Chelsea lodged the application with the Israeli Embassy in Moscow and a few days later he was a citizen there.

Saudi Arabia has hit a roadblock with Glazis who don't want to sell United just saying Roman if you want to sell it to someone