dave30 728 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 http://www.telegraph...e-and-race.htmlIts true that there is a element of gang culture in the white community to but its not nearly as prevalent as in the black community. Plus i never said that white gangs were acceptable either ALL should be dealt with severely. However theirs a distinct lack of respect among some sections of the black community in London towards the police, exacerbated by shit like rap music which teaches people to value "money over everything" and women as objects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 jog on your boring. 12% of black males commit 54% l of all crime in our capital including over half of all knife and gun crime. Elements of the black community in London need to sort them selves out sharpish.I'd wager probably half to two thirds of Black criminals are from the working classes. Not that that's an excuse, it points to long term structural problems within the social stratification of British society that can't be sorted 'sharpish'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 http://www.telegraph...e-and-race.htmlIts true that there is a element of gang culture in the white community to but its not nearly as prevalent as in the black community. Plus i never said that white gangs were acceptable either ALL should be dealt with severely. However theirs a distinct lack of respect among some sections of the black community in London towards the police, exacerbated by shit like rap music which teaches people to value "money over everything" and women as objectsSurely music has nothing to do with crime. It may be glamourised in modern music but it's not so long ago that Mafia culture was glamourised by films like Godfather and Goodfellas. Did that really influence a generation of Italian's/Italian-American's to join the Mafia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 I'd wager probably half to two thirds of Black criminals are from the working classes. Not that that's an excuse, it points to long term structural problems within the social stratification of British society that can't be sorted 'sharpish'.Well 9 out of the 10 most deprived areas in the country are in my region of the North West and are usually white working class estates, where although i have no doubt the gang problem is growing its just not comparable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Surely music has nothing to do with crime. It may be glamourised in modern music but it's not so long ago that Mafia culture was glamourised by films like Godfather and Goodfellas. Did that really influence a generation of Italian's/Italian-American's to join the Mafia?i dunno im not from italy but rap artists are the youth of today's role models and not very good ones . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 They aren't criminals because they are 'black'. They are criminals because they are criminals. Or some shit like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Surely music has nothing to do with crime. It may be glamourised in modern music but it's not so long ago that Mafia culture was glamourised by films like Godfather and Goodfellas. Did that really influence a generation of Italian's/Italian-American's to join the Mafia?Art imitates life than life imitates art. So, yeah music does influence kids in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Well 9 out of the 10 most deprived areas in the country are in my region of the North West and are usually white working class estates, where although i have no doubt the gang problem is growing its just not comparableInteresting. Why might that be, that working class White's aren't as likely to become criminals as working class Black's? I will take a guess and say the upbringing of them as children, particularly parenting style has a large influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Interesting. Why might that be, that working class White's aren't as likely to become criminals as working class Black's? I will take a guess and say the upbringing of them as children, particularly parenting style has a large influence.Exactly my friend and so that leads back to my point that elements of the black community need to sort themselves out. White kids in the north aren't as exposed to the "glamour"of gang culture as black children are in London and my original message was of anger towards the authorities who have been sickeningly soft on the issue nationwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 http://www.telegraph...e-and-race.htmlIts true that there is a element of gang culture in the white community to but its not nearly as prevalent as in the black community. Plus i never said that white gangs were acceptable either ALL should be dealt with severely. However theirs a distinct lack of respect among some sections of the black community in London towards the police, exacerbated by shit like rap music which teaches people to value "money over everything" and women as objectsThe rap excuse is a cliche, we're living in a society where the prevalent message is 'money over everything' anyway, or as we all refer to it as 'capitalism'. As cap eluded to before, the problem is structural not simply race. Black men are not in gangs because they choose to be (although I'd agree there's a small % that may feel inspired by that life). Until the problem of being a 'minority' isn't a factor this trend will continue. It's not just the black community that should 'sort themselves out', it's society on a whole. I don't dare to make excuses for people who don't make any feasible attempt to help themselves, but the section of people who are being abandoned by society are the minority. As exemplified by the London riots. Where there was a correlation between the poorest areas of London & high rates of rioting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidator 5,176 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Rest in Peace.Can we not turn this into a racial argument please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 Rest in Peace.Can we not turn this into a racial argument please?yer i apologise it just mad me angry.Rest In peace mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cousin benson 76 Posted May 22, 2012 Author Share Posted May 22, 2012 The poor father is now fighting for his life in hospital. The BBC reporting of this tragedy is really bad, about 3 sentences to sum up what happened, bastards!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson 358 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 This is a reason why I'm scared to come to London to see my beloved Chelsea FC! London is a beautiful place yet these thugs have to ruin it and have people living in fear. Fucking smug, inbred and cowardly bastards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavy Crockett 190 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 was it scousers?R.I.P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Traveler 256 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Terrible news. Hopefully we'll never hear such news. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 People do shit like this over football? This isn't passion, this is sheer idiocy. The people responsible should be given the death sentence as far as I'm concerned. An eye for an eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laylabelle 9,536 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Thats the thing...things like this happen.Families left to pick up the pices and the complete scumbag whose do it seem to get about 10 or so years and less with good behaviour.There is no justice..and its all so pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Just terrible...devastating thing to hear. Hopefully all of them will be brought to justice.Rest in peace mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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