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[zolayes 14,489]

it was interesting to read Arjens profile ,,, A swede whose favourite players are all Madrid or ex Madrid and WHO SITS IN THE MHL

yes Im sure he does ,,,As for the OP ,,to be lectured on football by someone whose own league is in meltdown ... and whose country fail

to qualify now for any tournament .. He should be concerned about the state of the game at his own place ,, It seems he came here because a young player

left Celtic to join us ... What a sad creature he must be to be made bitter by such a trivial deal.

[Ollie 4,400]

I'm pretty sure we started Bertrand at LW, we had 2 of the England back 4 which may have been 3 if JT wasn't suspended and an English midfielder in Lamps, plus Sturridge, Hutchinson and Chalobah in the squad too, i think a couple of em on the bench. I think in todays football, especially in an English team, that's pretty impressive. I'm not sure what the point is here.

What has it done for Chelsea? Apart from the fact that we get loads of money and a very good choice of player to bring in. It's money earned by the team to use, not just thrown in by the owner.

Forget the attacking bullshit, Celtic won it in a different era, they'll never get close again tho but in todays era, by hook or by crook we managed to get the job done. It goes on the CV, Chelsea have won the Champions League and boy it gives us some bragging rights over North London scum.

Really strange post tbh, maybe jealous or something that Scotish football is a similar standard to the blue square premier now. Winning a CL, at any time in any way is massive. Cahill's career as well is Luiz and Mata will grow now, it breeds mega confidence. Bertrand played and there were other youngsters there too. Chelsea Football Club just got a lot bigger thanks to yesterday. More interest, fans, players, coverage, exposure. Monumental day for everyone involved in the club.

[zolayes 14,489]

apparently the penalty shoot out was watched by Cameron ,,Obama and Putin .....so Im not too bothered what Salmon thinks

[didierforever 7,349]

did u see the bayern vs real game? bayern DOMINATED madrid which even barca cant say they have done in the last 2 years. our squad is not the strongest and we know that

Let me just start off by saying I'm not here to vent anger, I'm not here to cause trouble I'm just here to give my views and get some back from Chelsea fans on their two big Champions league games against Barcelona and Bayern.

Often sides have played defensive football against Barcelona due to their brilliant attacking football. It wasn't a great game of football but there have been a few bad semi-final games in history because an underdog really wants to get through to the final. After the end of the game Chelsea were the better team because Barcelona do not have a target man they can put into the box and they demanded to much to come from Messi. If you watch La Liga Barcelona's away form let them down because the majority of their goals came from Messi.

Moving onto the final I had high hopes for a good game of football. Bayern aren't as dominating as Barcelona and they do have a target man or two.

The Champions league, the ultimate inspiration in club football for clubs, supporters and youngsters coming through. The final last night has done nothing good for the sport, I'm sure Chelsea fans will be delighted. At the same time I've seen fans complain about the lack of youth coming into your team. Several young talented footballers have been shifted away and not a lot of them have been given game time to progress. The performance from the team sums up why this has happened, the main thing a football club should be doing in bring in and develop new young footballers. Sometimes you have to buy youth and then develop them which is fine as long as the new club provides a platform for them to develop.

I support Celtic and we won the European cup in 1967 with the Lisbon Lions and with the way we won it pushed our club to where it is today. We got decades of benefits from winning it with style and all the men playing came from within 30 miles of Celtic park which was a inspiration to Scottish football. That is the true benefit of winning the UCL, not the win but the way it was won. It's effect can still be felt through the club today and is a massive inspiration to the youngsters and fans.

The question I have for you is how will Chelsea really benefit from winning the UCL last night? A win with style with youngsters would have been an inspiration to London as the 1967 win was an inspiration to the whole of Scotland and to an extent the whole of the UK as Man United was the second British team to win the European cup in 1968.

youth systems dont come up in a day, they take some time. ours has probably taken too long but we are coming there. bertrand, josh, hutchinson,chalobah(all ours) and lukaku,sturridge,piazon,bruma, van aanholt(bought). even our previous batch of youth players were a good bunch but were all deemed not good enough for chelsea (mancienne and co. who were all sold to hamburg). even our recent buys have been with the future in mind (kdb and marin). this is the answer for youth system.

as far as your question for how chelsea will benefit is the most stupid question in the world. it gives us the perfect platform to bid adieu to some of the old guard(ferreira, bosingwa,malouda). it shows our mental strength to the whole world. group stage valencia, round of 16 napoli, quarters benefica, semis barca and now bayern on their own ground. these matches show the character of the team and the squad.

as for your disaapointment of not getting to see a box to box match, all i can say is you are stupid to have expected that. today's world is completely mediacentric and they made bayern the absolute favourites. plus they were playin on their home ground and all that shit. losing our captain, our only good right back and our true get out of jail player what did you think was gonna happen. any team that plays 4-2-3-1 should have the 2 such that they can break thru the middle (lamps and mikel both dont do it). bosingwa was playin as a right back so kalou HAD to cover him the whole match. so right wing gone. on the left you have robben vs cole which was a tie and lahm to support, so we had to play bertrand to stop lahm. commendable effort from the young guy. this left us only mata (who was pounced upon as soon as he got the ball) and dd who could not make his physical presence count as much as he would have wanted. to expect an attacking chelsea was your stupidness. we knew our weaknesses and covered it perfectly and our strength was woth drogba being the impact man which also worked great. WE FUCKING DESERVED TO WIN IT AND NO ONE CAN TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US.

[diskoviolente 425]

Who gives a shit what "non fans" are thinking ?

Obviously Bayern played better football in terms of possession, shots on goal/target, corners, passes, whatnot. Result: 1 goal.

This Chelsea team played to it´s strength. Defending, grinding out results, doing it the hard way. Result: 1 goal, 4 scored pens and the trophy.

Haters gonna hate; let them cringe. I certainly couldn´t give less than two cold hearted shits about that. We´ve been through a hell of a season, and now people come say "oh yeah, well done, but your pass statistics doesn´t look that fancy". How fucking boring can one be ? As the Gary Neville put it in his deep knowledge of the game "This is more than football."

[Kez 2,727]

The people who say we didn't deserve it obviously haven't been watching us for the past 8 years. We deserved it a long time ago, it just happened to come at a time when nobody expected it.

^ This pretty much sums it up.

Liverpool ghost goal,

Terry's slip,

Barca injustice.

None of that fucking matters anymore.

[Arjen Robben 55]

judging by your user name you are probably as biased as we are ...and certainly more pissed off.

so run back home and check out how Arjen is feeling ,,,We are celebrating winning a trophy Real haven't won in a while

I am actually a Madrid fan and watched the final like a normal person. Just because Arjen Robben is one of my favourite players it doesn't mean I actually wanted Bayern to win, because to be honest, I'd prefer Chelsea to win - which they did.

Bandwagon? How about you stop questioning my staff team before I put you on the 'banned-wagon'. They do an outstanding job here, putting in considerable time and effort for next to no reward or recognition. Consider that before criticising them.

Never really questioned them, though. Of course they do an outstanding job here, no doubt about that, just said that they could at least display a good example of how we want everyone to be on this forum, don't you think that would be better?

[Arjen Robben 55]

it was interesting to read Arjens profile ,,, A swede whose favourite players are all Madrid or ex Madrid and WHO SITS IN THE MHL

yes Im sure he does ,,,As for the OP ,,to be lectured on football by someone whose own league is in meltdown ... and whose country fail

to qualify now for any tournament .. He should be concerned about the state of the game at his own place ,, It seems he came here because a young player

left Celtic to join us ... What a sad creature he must be to be made bitter by such a trivial deal.

Why do you have to be so offensive instead of just having a normal discussion? Calm down will ya?

Haven't done you any wrong, have I? You say you are more than happy to have "outsiders" (other fans) here, but your posts don't really motivate nor encourage me to stay here.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I am actually a Madrid fan and watched the final like a normal person. Just because Arjen Robben is one of my favourite players it doesn't mean I actually wanted Bayern to win, because to be honest, I'd prefer Chelsea to win - which they did.

Never really questioned them, though. Of course they do an outstanding job here, no doubt about that, just said that they could at least display a good example of how we want everyone to be on this forum, don't you think that would be better?

See your point, but we don't have a strict community here. Mods are just normal members with certain privileges, like free cookies. We have a lot of fun on here and posting memes etc is part of TC culture.

[zolayes 14,489]

Why do you have to be so offensive instead of just having a normal discussion? Calm down will ya?

Haven't done you any wrong, have I? You say you are more than happy to have "outsiders" (other fans) here, but your posts don't really motivate nor encourage me to stay here.

just let us know where your seat is in the MHU

come in BUT dont pretend to be a Chelsea fan . I dislike liars

[Arjen Robben 55]

See your point, but we don't have a strict community here. Mods are just normal members with certain privileges, like free cookies. We have a lot of fun on here and posting memes etc is part of TC culture.

See, one learns new things every day

[Arjen Robben 55]

just let us know where your seat is in the MHU

come in BUT dont pretend to be a Chelsea fan . I dislike liars

I am not a Chelsea fan... What is it that you don't understand? Where have I claimed that I am a Chelsea fan? Please provide me with any statements or such where I have claimed to be one.

I am a proud Madridista and have been one for over 10 years now, and will always be.

Just sad seeing people like you jump on other members for no reason..

[communicate 2,703]

First of all, before I start off; It's very sad to see that moderators here on TalkChelsea hop on the bandwagon when people post memes in general forums where they actually aren't supposed to be posted - you should know that. You're a moderator, be a role model to the other forum members. If you can't bother reading the original post because it is too long, then leave it. Just so stupid.

Back to the original topic; I think Chelsea have played very well in the previous games before the final. It is difficult to beat teams like Napoli and Barcelona, and they made it. However, from a completely un-biased view as a Madridista, Bayern Munich deserved to win the Champions League final. It all reflects on the game statistics. Bayern had the possession, shots, passes, corners and all the rest while Chelsea had none of it. Bayern were dominating the game, Chelsea wern't.

I am happy for Chelsea though, you finally won the Champions League title and I don't mind it, at all. Just saying that based on the final performance, Bayern should have won it.

If you're going to reply to my opinion, at least reply maturely and unbiased, please.

If you are saying that Bayern played better than us, they did but it does not matter.

We won and the rest is history :blue scalf:

In football, the better team does not always win.

[Arjen Robben 55]

If you are saying that Bayern played better than us, they did but it does not matter.

We won and the rest is history :blue scalf:

In football, the better team does not always win.

Yeah of course mate, that's how football works and has always worked Just mentioned my opinions based on the teams' performances last night But yeah, what you're saying is true.

[zolayes 14,489]

I am not a Chelsea fan... What is it that you don't understand? Where have I claimed that I am a Chelsea fan? Please provide me with any statements or such where I have claimed to be one.

I am a proud Madridista and have been one for over 10 years now, and will always be.

Just sad seeing people like you jump on other members for no reason..

YOUR PROFILE seat in Matthew Harding Upper...

in any case the thread was started by a bitter Celtic fan who has posted a few times before ,,people didnnt like SO you charged making criticisms of how

our forum is run ,,, visitors here who show respect are given respect ,,,you showed NONE so expect none in return

[Arjen Robben 55]

YOUR PROFILE seat in Matthew Harding Upper...

in any case the thread was started by a bitter Celtic fan who has posted a few times before ,,people didnnt like SO you charged making criticisms of how

our forum is run ,,, visitors here who show respect are given respect ,,,you showed NONE so expect none in return

My profile says Metthew Harding Upper because I couldn't select any seat from the Santiago Bernabeu, obviously. I was required to choose one seat so I just randomly selected one. Please, if you have a problem with me, send me a PM or something where you can throw all sorts of words out, no need to do it in public.

Also, I wasn't criticizing how the forum is run... Just please, leave me alone, this "argument" you're starting isn't going anywhere...

PS: I managed to remove the seat from my profile. Happy?

[termninja 5,290]

I know this is long, but please, take your time to read it because it's worth it.

Let me just start off by saying I'm not here to vent anger, I'm not here to cause trouble I'm just here to give my views and get some back from Chelsea fans on their two big Champions league games against Barcelona and Bayern.

Very well. I personally always like having other fans join in and take a part in discussions with us. You are welcome here as long as you stick by the rules. I will respond to your post in detail and hopefully explain our view on things.

Often sides have played defensive football against Barcelona due to their brilliant attacking football. It wasn't a great game of football but there have been a few bad semi-final games in history because an underdog really wants to get through to the final. After the end of the game Chelsea were the better team because Barcelona do not have a target man they can put into the box and they demanded to much to come from Messi. If you watch La Liga Barcelona's away form let them down because the majority of their goals came from Messi.

Aye, Barca game wasn't pretty, but the ultimate goal was to go through, not look awesome and get humiliated. We were lucky also, but ask any Chelsea fan and he'll respond it was karma. We were ripped of in 2009 and for me, the biggest evil in sport is cheating in order to win. The only way to survive Barca was to park in the whole London bus station and hope for the best which we bloody did.

Moving onto the final I had high hopes for a good game of football. Bayern aren't as dominating as Barcelona and they do have a target man or two.

The Champions league, the ultimate inspiration in club football for clubs, supporters and youngsters coming through. The final last night has done nothing good for the sport, I'm sure Chelsea fans will be delighted. At the same time I've seen fans complain about the lack of youth coming into your team. Several young talented footballers have been shifted away and not a lot of them have been given game time to progress. The performance from the team sums up why this has happened, the main thing a football club should be doing in bring in and develop new young footballers. Sometimes you have to buy youth and then develop them which is fine as long as the new club provides a platform for them to develop.

I don't know how much you followed Chelsea this season, but I am someone who has watched our every match since the preseason had started. Games I missed I downloaded and watched the fully not knowing the result (except the Newcastle game we lost where my mate spoiled the results for me so I watched only the highlights). I not only watch our matches, but also analyze and discuss them a lot here so I know the way every Chelsea player moves on the pitch, how fast is he, how fit is he, what is our tactic and how generally everything went. I'm telling you this, with the team we had available, Bayern team we faced and the stadium we played our match in, chances of us winning the trophy every Chelsea fan dream of would've been very very low if we attacked. No, instead we played to our strongest attribute which is defense, and defense is also a part of football.

What really bothers me with people, is that they act is like there is an written rule in the official book of football rules that every team must play beautiful attacking football and that starting the match by acting defensive is forbidden. It is not. Football is a sport, and a rather exciting one. It is a sport you play, and your goal is to score more goals then the opposition in order to win. Sometimes, you do not have to win the game in order to archive something higher, but your ultimate goal is to win. That's what Chelsea did and that's why Chelsea have so much trophies in the last 7-8 years. A Champions League, 3 league trophies and 4 FA Cups. We follow the ultimate goal of winning no matter what the media thinks, no matter what the opposition thinks and no matter what all those football experts think. Everybody just wants to win. It is a mentality you build and it lets you grow. Arsenal had a great team couple of seasons ago, but no winning mentality. Liverpool had a great team also, but no winning mentality.

People hate us because we don't have a big history like other big teams have. Fair enough, but that doesn't mean are not allowed to be successful because of something that had happened in the past. For me, it's a breath of fresh air in today's football to see a club which is not a grandiose name rise up and be successful.

Manchester City is an example. I don't like them but they keep the football interesting. Their clashes with United this season have given PL lots of publicity and given the world of football some great moments.

We went through a troublesome period under AVB due to his inexperince which is irrelevant now, but since Di Matteo took over, he played to our strengths which is great defense and rock solid midfield. Not tricky fast wingers who rip the opposition like Bayern have and not midfield maestros who unlock everything in a couple of passes like Barca have. No, we do not have players like that at the moment and therefore we can't play like they do. Simple as that.

Our players are not at the peak of their careers. Lots of them had their best years behind or have struggled to play like some of us think they can play and this trophy was something they desired the most in the world. When you desire something the most in the world, you don't give a flying fuck about what the world is thinking if you have the means to archive it. You don't give a flying fuck about the tactics and the way you are going to attack if it means you are going to win. All you want is to win and it's simple as that. We knew it, Robbie knew it and the players knew it.

This was probably the last chance for the players like Terry, Lampard, Essien and Drogba to win this amazing trophy and their amazing careers wouldn't have been complete without it.

But not only all this. We finished 6th in the league, that means no CL next season. That also means huge money losses and failing to attract world's most talented players and seeing that there are a lot of players who will depart this season from the club that would've been a suicide. I don't know really that much about Financial Fair Play rules coming in, but without the usual 40m a season we earn from CL we would've been in deep financial losses.

Players like Hulk, Hazard, Falcao, Cavani, Lavezzi, Modric and others wouldn't want to come here and the board would've been reluctant to spend big due to the money lost for not taking part in the CL.

The question I have for you is how will Chelsea really benefit from winning the UCL last night? A win with style with youngsters would have been an inspiration to London as the 1967 win was an inspiration to the whole of Scotland and to an extent the whole of the UK as Man United was the second British team to win the European cup in 1968.

Winning a CL with youngsters is something we can talk only in theory, it will not happen. As someone already said, we even gave a great chance to Bertrand and he used it very well. No my friend, winning Champions League in today's football is much more difficult then it was before.

How will we benefit? I explained already, now we are European Champions finally which will help us attract the world's elite football players. It will earn us a lot of money and will strengthen the winning mentality I spoke of. It will earn us better sponsorship deals and get us more fans.

It is the greatest achievement in our history and we did it in style. We kept this season CL interesting and gave the world of football something new and fresh. We played for the badge, left everything on the pitch and got rewarded for it. That's all that matters in the end. Nobody remembers the losers, only the winners and that's what will people remember when they look back and see a team that survived at Camp Nou being a man down and 2 goals down. That's what people will remember when they see a team winning this amazing trophy after a bad season and facing Bayern Munich on their own stadium in the final. Going down to penalties against a German side while losing our previous final on penalties also. Taking this penalties in front of Bayern fans.....yet we done all those things and stand here before you.

That's who we are, that's how things are and that's what this is all about.

You can either love us or hate us. If you love us then we love you too, if you don't you better avoid us.

There, I hope I gave you a good response in order to explain that we are not a team with no history, that we are not a team that won the CL only because of they've been lucky and that we are not a team that is playing only for the money.

Cheers.

[nullabletype 987]

Let me just start off by saying I'm not here to vent anger, I'm not here to cause trouble I'm just here to give my views and get some back from Chelsea fans on their two big Champions league games against Barcelona and Bayern.

Often sides have played defensive football against Barcelona due to their brilliant attacking football. It wasn't a great game of football but there have been a few bad semi-final games in history because an underdog really wants to get through to the final. After the end of the game Chelsea were the better team because Barcelona do not have a target man they can put into the box and they demanded to much to come from Messi. If you watch La Liga Barcelona's away form let them down because the majority of their goals came from Messi.

Moving onto the final I had high hopes for a good game of football. Bayern aren't as dominating as Barcelona and they do have a target man or two.

The Champions league, the ultimate inspiration in club football for clubs, supporters and youngsters coming through. The final last night has done nothing good for the sport, I'm sure Chelsea fans will be delighted. At the same time I've seen fans complain about the lack of youth coming into your team. Several young talented footballers have been shifted away and not a lot of them have been given game time to progress. The performance from the team sums up why this has happened, the main thing a football club should be doing in bring in and develop new young footballers. Sometimes you have to buy youth and then develop them which is fine as long as the new club provides a platform for them to develop.

I support Celtic and we won the European cup in 1967 with the Lisbon Lions and with the way we won it pushed our club to where it is today. We got decades of benefits from winning it with style and all the men playing came from within 30 miles of Celtic park which was a inspiration to Scottish football. That is the true benefit of winning the UCL, not the win but the way it was won. It's effect can still be felt through the club today and is a massive inspiration to the youngsters and fans.

The question I have for you is how will Chelsea really benefit from winning the UCL last night? A win with style with youngsters would have been an inspiration to London as the 1967 win was an inspiration to the whole of Scotland and to an extent the whole of the UK as Man United was the second British team to win the European cup in 1968.

We had no chance against Napoli, we beat them. We had no chance against Benfica, we beat them. We had no chance against "the best team in the world", Barcelona, we beat them. Then, even after that run, people still give us no hope against Bayern... we beat them. Chelsea's story of how we came to win the UCL is a great one. An under performing team full of ageing players who were facing their last chance of every wining it. And what did they do? They beat the best teams in Europe and took home the prize.

I use another forum where there are supporters of clubs from around the globe. Last night there were so many people complaining about "anti-football" and who really "deserved" to win. Talking about how Barcelona deserved to be in this final. The rules of football are simple, score more than your opponent. That's what we did, and that's why we deserve it.

Football and it's fans are starting to get on my nerves a bit lately. It seems Barcelona have set the standard for football, which is fine, but now all of a sudden everybody seems to think that's the only way to play. It seems many folks feel hard done by if they are not entertained, well here's the skinny... Football clubs do not win games or make money by entertaining. They do that by competing and winning. The sport is made up of two critical aspects, attack and defence, and it's the latter that people all too often seem to forget about or undervalue. As Chelsea fans, would we love to watch Chelsea go out every game and play tika-taka football? Of course, but we don't have the personnel to do it. So what we do instead is go out and play to our strengths. That is to defend to the death and attack on the counter. Is it pretty? To most no, I however think so. A good defensive display is as good to watch as a good attack. To go out and try and play the Barcelona way would be as good to go out and lay down, because it just wouldn't work.

My biggest annoyance about the complainers is they're never fans of the team in question, in this situation Chelsea. It's all well and good fans of MUFC, Liverpool, Spurs, whoever etc, complaining about Chelsea not coming out to entertain or not trying to play the right way. But you can bet your life if it was their team in our shoes they wouldn't want their players out experimenting with a footballing style they simply can't match/play purely to entertain the naturals at the cost of a win. Football is about tactics and winning the game and that is what we done.

I could go on forever because they subject really does bug me, but I think you get the picture.

Edit: just to draw a parallel using Barcelona and Chelsea as an example. It would be like putting a technically superior welter weight boxer up against and heavy weight brute. He may be able to move faster, duck, weave and deliver a barrage of blows. But it's all fruitless in the end if he can't deliver the knock out blow. All the fancy passing and ability in the world is worthless if you can't get through the brick wall of a defence that's between you and the net.