Politics & Stuff

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

From what im thinking left is not tabloo, but a democratic option.

Elaborate please buddy

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I dont really want to say anything about the war in Lebanon because I really dont know too much about it, but I'll take your word for it (about the civillian houses being fired on for no reason).

Regarding Gaza, my post was maybe over-protecting because your post was too offensive. I really don't know for 100% but I do believe that you are partially right, maybe our government isn't doing EVERYTHING in its power. But I'll still say that we're not TARGETING civillians like Hamas does.

I found this:

"Only the people responsible can know for sure why Palestinian militants would use civilian buildings, but any real possibility is bad. Maybe militant groups use civilian buildings like this UN school simply because they don't mind the danger this creates for the Palestinians they claim to protect. Maybe it's because they are hoping that the rockets will be safer in a UN school because Israel won't want to bomb it, which means using Palestinians kids and teachers as human shields. An argument you hear from Hamas's harshest critics is that they are hoping Israel will target the schools, thus rallying people to their side.

None of these speaks well of militant groups or the effects of their rocket campaigns on Palestinian civilians. It is not a great secret that "resistance" campaigns by groups like Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad bring far greater harm to Palestinian civilians than they do anything resembling liberation, but this incident is a small glimpse of how, and of the effects of militant groups firing hundreds of rockets into Israel from densely populated neighborhoods in Gaza.

Here's the thing, though: while incidents like this force Israel to decide between bombing civilian structures or allowing Hamas to use those structures as rocket storage depots, it does not actually force Israel to choose to bomb civilian buildings. It is entirely within Israel's power to not bomb civilian buildings.

Israel has overwhelming military superiority in the conflict, and while that does not make Hamas rockets disappear or obviate their very real effects on Israeli civilians, Israel is strong enough to choose not to bomb a mosque and a center for the disabled in Gaza, as it did on July 12. It can choose not to bomb Gaza beaches frequented by civilians, as it did on Wednesday, killing four boys between the ages of 9 and 11.

There is no indication that Israel deliberately targets civilians, as Hamas does. But Israeli air strikes in Gaza, targeting Hamas and other militant groups that choose to embed themselves among civilians, kill an overwhelming number of Palestinian civilians. Last week, two UN agencies separately estimated that 70 to 77 percent of the Palestinian deaths have been civilians. Human Rights Watch on Wednesday accused Israel of "targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war."

This is the one thing that both Hamas and Israel seem to share: a willingness to adopt military tactics that will put Palestinian civilians at direct risk and that contribute, however unintentionally, to the deaths of Palestinian civilians. Partisans in the Israel-Palestine conflict want to make that an argument over which "side" has greater moral culpability in the continued killings of Palestinian civilians. And there is validity to asking whether Hamas should so ensconce itself among civilians in a way that will invite attacks, just as there is validity to asking why Israel seems to show so little restraint in dropping bombs over Gaza neighborhoods. But even that argument over moral superiority ultimately treats those dying Palestinian families as pawns in the conflict, tokens to be counted for or against, their humanity and suffering so easily disregarded"

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/17/5912189/yes-gaza-militants-hide-rockets-in-schools-but-israel-doesnt-have-to

That's a very fair assessment. Like I said before, I can see Hamas storing rockets in schools and mosques because they are public facilities and they could have power over them. I don't put it past Hamas because they truly are an awful group. But in private civilian houses? It just doesn't add up.

I've said this in this thread before, there are little difference between Hamas and extreme right wing in Israel. They both do HUGE damage to the Palestinian cause.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

That's a very fair assessment. Like I said before, I can see Hamas storing rockets in schools and mosques because they are public facilities and they could have power over them. I don't put it past Hamas because they truly are an awful group. But in private civilian houses? It just doesn't add up.

I've said this in this thread before, there are little difference between Hamas and extreme right wing in Israel. They both do HUGE damage to the Palestinian cause.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Very interesting video most of it English please watch:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=811640328868998&fref=nf

LOL. You use Bridgette Gabriel as your source to represent your point of view about Muslims. She is well known in the U.S to be one of the most radical Islamophobes. I can see why you would use her.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Never heard on her just watched it for the first time now

Well you can watch her videos, I am happy to refer other well known Islamophobes too. She is well known.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Very interesting video most of it in English please watch:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=811640328868998&fref=nf

As I said before: they fire their missiles from places near to houses, hospitals etc, just to provoke israel to respond and then show it to all the world.

Hamas is just Disgusting.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Ok explain this

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

Ok explain this

IDF explained that near this area, there was some terror activity...

They also said that they really regret for any innocent people that were killed.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

IDF explained that near this area, there was some terror activity...

They also said that they really regret for any innocent people that were killed.

What this means is basically that all this claim about Hamas is using children as human shields is only half of the truth. The other truth is that the military is immoral. That was a few meters off a hotel were international reporters stayed Petr. Don't tell me you believe that there were terrorist activities over there, yet the reporters were there, the msnbc report (who was asked to leave after he had reported the incident) played with those kids and not a single Hamas memeber was their, nor were weapons found. Atleast acknowledge the mistakes that the military does, and just don't repeat an irrational illogical excuse issued by the IDF.

May I remind you, the IDF is not using ww2 technology. They can see who they are targeting clearly.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

What this means is basically that all this claim about Hamas is using children as human shields is only half of the truth. The other truth is that the military is immoral. That was a few meters off a hotel were international reporters stayed Petr. Don't tell me you believe that there were terrorist activities over there, yet the reporters were there, the msnbc report (who was asked to leave after he had reported the incident) played with those kids and not a single Hamas memeber was their, nor were weapons found. Atleast acknowledge the mistakes that the military does, and just don't repeat an irrational illogical excuse issued by the IDF.

May I remind you, the IDF is not using ww2 technology. They can see who they are targeting clearly.

I'm Saying again: I'm Against Any Violence against innocent people.

Tragic Death of kids.

Mistake By IDF this time.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

I'm Saying again: I'm Against Any Violence against innocent people.

Tragic Death of kids.

Mistake By IDF this time.

I am not saying you are supporting violence. I am saying that this was an incident that was "coincidentally" caught on camera. It also means that not all the victims that are killed, are used as human shields. There are others elsewhere too. So the whole "blame the death of the innocent civilians on Hamas" is not a reasonable point. Mind you, I hate Hamas and I see them as terrorists and bloodsuckers.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

The Palestinians kids is not our target, our target is Hamas maybe in that case it was a mistake of identity like it happened last night when a soldier got killed by what probably has been IDF forces. mistakes can happen

The only video that you brought up to support your claim, was a fraud. It was a video in Syria.

[xPetrCechx 13,573]

I am not saying you are supporting violence. I am saying that this was an incident that was "coincidentally" caught on camera. It also means that not all the victims that are killed, are used as human shields. There are others elsewhere too. So the whole "blame the death of the innocent civilians on Hamas" is not a reasonable point. Mind you, I hate Hamas and I see them as terrorists and bloodsuckers.

yes. Mistakes happend.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Over a hundred civilian death in about 48 hours

[Spike 12,049]

I can't and refuse to sympathise with either sides extremists, it's an awful thing to say but the world is probably better off with the extremists dead. But I really feel bad for the civillians caught all up in this. I bet a lot are just people that want normal lives without any of this conflict, whether it's armed conflict or just religious and ethnic tension.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

I can't and refuse to sympathise with either sides extremists, it's an awful thing to say but the world is probably better off with the extremists dead. But I really feel bad for the civillians caught all up in this. I bet a lot are just people that want normal lives without any of this conflict, whether it's armed conflict or just religious and ethnic tension.

I agree with you that we are better off without extremists. Personally I wouldn't mind if they are destroyed from their roots. I will never accept though, killing civilians in the name of fighting extremists and radicals. This had been happening again and again. Mind i remind you in 2007 this happened, extremists were not destroyed, and over 1,300 Palestinians were killed most of which (1000+) are civilians. Only 13 Israelis were killed, atleast 3 by friendly fire. Hamas will only get stronger, they will not go away, as long as this is the Israeli approach to the "security" problem.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Massacre after Massacre in east Gazza tonight. Nonstop shelling and air strikes on civilian neighbourhoods. Ambulances now can't reach the Shujaia neighbourhood. Estimated tens of casualties and injuries trapped in houses and unable to get to hospital. The whole neighbourhood is on fire. I'm just reading about it and I can't take it anymore, imagine how the people living there must feel. Every single family has already lost a member or a relative.

I'm literally in tears seeing the pictures and reading the tweets of people living there. This is beyond a war crime, even more than genocide. I have no words..

[Rmpr 8,977]

I got away for 2 days just to find 10 new pages of content. Then, in the long process of reading it all, I must have found 4-5 constructive posts at the most!

Like I have been saying for more than a week...People from both sides are simply repeating themselves over and over again until someone gets over his head and start with the insults and sarcasm.

It is absolutely terrible what is happening right now, but to be honest I can't sympathize with any of the sides as both of them have crossed the line multiples times already. In my opinion, there is no one right in this whole stupidity!

My thoughts go to all the peaceful civilians from either sides who are suffering for nothing!!!

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

70 Palestinian children killed. Disgusting

[Henrique 9,133]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2698150/Exodus-40-000-civilians-forced-leave-homes-300-dead-Israel-vows-significantly-widen-ground-offensive-Gaza.html#comments

Mass murder in Palestine, and those news are in the bottom of the home page, while the main news are about the airplane, and article from stupid "right minded" people blaming Obama for not taking actions...against Russia.