Politics & Stuff

[Stingray 9,441]

First of all it is not Hamas. Apparently it is someone Syrian telling Bashar Al Asad that one day these kids will grow up and bring victory to the people. i.e metephorically saying that no matter how long Bashar stays and keeps killing people a younger generation will bring justice to the Syrians one day. He is also blaming other countries ( with the choice of words hinting Arabs) for standing by and watching what is happening to the Syrian people without taking any action. Nothing to do with Hamas. Apparently it is the Syrian resistance.

@CFC_4EVER, Ouch. Propaganda much?

Also on the "they said no to our peace offer" or "their only condition for a ceasefire has been (since the beginning) that Hamas stop all rocket attacks upon our country."

Wrong. They also demand that the IDF be allowed to establish a "buffer zone" which translates to Israelis stealing more land in the name of "security." In fact, most "reasonable" deals the Israelis offer include demands for more and more Palestinian land and want Palestinians to acquiesce on the illegal settlements.

Guess you don't hear that from Bennett or read that on IDF twitter, right?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Hamas uses those kids as human shields:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=802664019758029

That is in Syria Dude, at least try not to look like a propaganda!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Let's face it, Muslims living in the big cities in Israel are much more well off than Shia Muslims who get murdered regularly by Sunni's for being the "wrong" kind of Muslim. Same thing in Pakistan to where the Shia's are anything but safe and live in constant fear. Or you think Saudi Arabia is such a "nice" place to live? Where Muslims are killed outright if they choose to depart from the faith and adulterers are stoned to death? Get real.

OMG, stop, PLEASE. This is just so wrong and so offensively stereotypical. Seriously, just STOP!

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are just misinformed about the region and not trying to say that Muslims are so barbaric that they are better off living being bombed by Israel than living with each other. It is only very small extremists groups that don't accept the differences between Shia and Sunnis. To generalize like this would be like saying all Christians are Neo-Nazis. My mom is Sunni and my Shiite! All historians and Sheikhs agree that the issues between the two are political than religious.

And are you seriously comparing outdated laws (in frankly largely uneducated cultures) that the vast majority of the people there actually agree with, with being deprived of the basic human rights such as food, water, shelter and freedom and being racially discriminated against harassed on a daily basis?!

I know you are only trying to debate, but PLEASE get some context to what you're saying!

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

I don't know if i need to laugh or to be sad about what you just said. they are terrorist this is fact, you are saying they send those 13 armed people this morning towards Israeli village to ask for "normal life?" or to kill them?

It is a reaction, like the Jewish heroes with handmade weapons in tunnels in the Warsaw ghetto. Believe me it is almost certain in the future, the palestinians, whatever label you want to put on them, will be known throughout the world as Freedom fighters, when history is written.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Well to talk to them of course. Believe me it is almost certain in the future, the palestinians, whatever label you want to put on them, will be known throughout the world as Freedom fighters, when history is written.

And liberators of their stolen lands.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

OMG, stop, PLEASE. This is just so wrong and so offensively stereotypical. Seriously, just STOP!

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are just misinformed about the region and not trying to say that Muslims are so barbaric that they are better off living being bombed by Israel than living with each other. It is only very small extremists groups that don't accept the differences between Shia and Sunnis. To generalize like this would be like saying all Christians are Neo-Nazis. My mom is Sunni and my Shiite! All historians and Sheikhs agree that the issues between the two are political than religious.

And are you seriously comparing outdated laws (in frankly largely uneducated cultures) that the vast majority of the people there actually agree with, with being deprived of the basic human rights such as food, water, shelter and freedom and being racially discriminated against harassed on a daily basis?!

I know you are only trying to debate, but PLEASE get some context to what you're saying!

I'll let the first part slide because you said you're not a Muslim. The second part is way off. Again. Arabs are denied basic human rights in Haifa and Tel Aviv? Can you please prove that Muslims as a whole are a denied food, water, shelter and freedom? Arabs are FULL citizens. They share the same basic rights as Jews (believe it or not) They are represented in every branch of government. Arabs are present in the Knesset. It's incredible you type that.

Now can you show me ANY Muslim majority country where a Jew is allowed to hold authority over a Muslim? It's infact forbidden in the Sharia. Are Jews able to practice their religion in most Muslim majority countries today? Are Jews given (what's left of them) any basic human rights in any Muslim majority country today? What happened to the powerful Jewish tribes of Saudi Arabia prior to Muhammad? I'll answer that one. They either got exterminated or driven out. What about the Christians in Pakistan, are they able to preach about Jesus freely without fear of death, like this?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/22/world/asia/pakistan-attack/

The Copts? The Christians in Nigeria's North? What happened to THEIR human rights and how come no other Muslim country in the world can offer the courtesy the Jews offer the Arabs in Israel?

Are Jews and Christians not second class citizens in Muslim majority countries under Dhimmi status having to pay the Muslim HUMILIATING Jizya? (which is nothing more than a form of extortion akin to the racketeering cash in Godfather movies ). Are Jews, Christians, Atheists, Pagans even allowed to set foot in Mecca? If not, why not? Muslims are persecuting people specifically Christians more than any group by FAR today but no protests or rallies in the Muslim world. I wonder why.

Dhimmi status as authorized by the Sharia is second class status for Jews and Christians in the Muslim world.

This last comment of yours just buried your point (or lack thereof), Choulo You obviously don't have a clue what goes on in Israel.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

To compare this to what happened in the ghetto is a very wrong thing to do sorry to tell you. we are not trying to kill all the Palestinians we just want to live in our country quietly "To be a free nation in our land" like the line in our national anthem says.

I wish in the future the silence of war will stop from both sides and you'll come to visit Israel and we can talk on other things like Chelsea line up etc...

Yes, it is true it is not the same situation you are right. I dont believe israelis are in the main wanting to see the annihilation of all the Palestinians. I apologise for that comparison. However, the desperation of the people is the same. They are not motivated by evil, or wanting to be the bad guy. These are fucking desperate, hurting people.

States beleive it or not often need 'terrorists', for control of their citizens, justifying austerity and surveillance, and promoting their own agenda and ideology. States will also artificially create terror- Russians in Chechnya, for instance. In the 1970s the Bologna railway bomb, it eventually came out the Italian state did it to discredit the communists and sway public opinion. Britain did it in India, and Israel with the blowing up of the King David Hotel.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

The Islamophobia is strong in this thread... Nice one you Zionist scum.

Now this is the kind of stuff that gets people banned. Petty name calling. I doubt anyone here is actually a "Zionist". Or did you mean Jew? Oh, that will be racist now won't it? If you don't like the opinions of others, just ignore them or shut it because petty name calling is not going to get you anywhere. It's the sign of a lost argument. Next to your name is an American flag. Freedom of speech and all. I expect better.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Now this is the kind of stuff that gets people banned. Petty name calling. I doubt anyone here is actually a "Zionist". Or did you mean Jew? Oh, that will be racist now won't it? If you don't like the opinions of others, just ignore them or shut it because petty name calling is not going to get you anywhere. It's the sign of a lost argument. Next to your name is an American flag. Freedom of speech and all. I expect better.

You're on my ignore list you loser.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

You're on my ignore list you loser.

Well be my guest then. You're quick to accuse the Jews of being baby killers but as soon as I start to point out some little home truths you start calling people Zionists and complaining about Islamophobia. Stop being a victim. If it's "Islamophobic" to point out home truths about the plight of Christians in Muslim majority countries then it's anti-semitic to accuse Jews on this board that their people are baby killers especially since I've we've seen from both sides, it's a highly debatable and controversial assertion. I think the Jews have on this board have a right to be offended by that seeing as all of them disagree with that contention.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Those words was meant to me. I'm a Jewish Israeli this is where i was born and I'm proud of that. I served 3 years in the IDF like any other Israeli anyone have problem with it? saying racist sentences will not help. the Jewish people suffered it throughout the history attempts of killing us all but they all failed and we will have to protect our self forever because even today there is a lot of people in the world how want to achieve the same goal. we'll make sure we won't see another holocaust EVER AGAIN.

There's nothing being proud of where you were born.

[Stingray 9,441]

It's the sign of a lost argument.

Nah that would you and CFC-4ever not replying to the content. Ive never seen you answer to an article put on, a documentary, .... we did btw always addressed your issues. Unlike what you preach around here.

Plus: he did in fact really say he didn't think Palestinians and israelis were equal. I challenge you to answer the same question: are they equal in your eyes?

This is the crux of the matter ..... what it all boils down too. I feel a lot of issues has been addressed properly, but i do not think you put forth a good case

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

The Islamophobia is strong in this thread... Nice one you Zionist scum.

Same non sense gets repeated all the time. It actually becomes amusing.

[Stingray 9,441]

If it's "Islamophobic" to point out home truths about the plight of Christians in Muslim majority countries

You do know the faith of Christian Palestines in occupied territory? ITS THE SAME.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

We are not equal because we uses weapons to protect our children while Hamas uses children to protect their weapons that's a very very big different.

Based on the Syrian video you posted? LOL

[Kieran. 6,317]

Islamophobes defending their Islamophobia... Nothing sadder.

[Stingray 9,441]

We are not equal because we uses weapons to protect our children while Hamas uses children to protect their weapons that's a very very big different.

So you just posted a youtube movie to corroborate that evidence, it came out it is a Syrian movie about something completely different and you go about as if nothing happened? Yes, the indoctrination is strong in you, Mr - I don't think palestinians are equal - Bennett.

Within a year or more, Ill be here. I will be hearing you like a Neurenberg trial. Better believe it. Every bit matters and the world is watching you! Ive not herd none of you reacting to the UN statements, to the Left wing statements of israel I posted, to the Shin Bet statements ....

You just go on and monotonously go on about in your same retoric. Has anything of that - even a LOT of it by your own people - even reach your ears?

Hannah Arendt wrote in "The banality of evil": “When all are guilty, no one is; confessions of collective guilt are the best possible safeguard against the discovery of culprits, and the very magnitude of the crime the best excuse for doing nothing. ”

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

Islamophobes defending their Islamophobia... Nothing sadder.

What is more interesting is claiming to understand Islam more than Muslim Scholars and mainstream Muslims. Ignoring the fact that through out history, at some point or another, so called religious people, from all faiths, hijacked religions in order to carry out some sort of political agenda, to increase wealth, power and fulfill sick racist desires.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

I don't need a video to know that man that's a fact maybe this video was wrong but i want to remind you that Hamas uses photos from Syria for they favor as well.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I DARE YOU TO PUT THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW OR ATLEAST LET HIM FINISH THE SENTENCE. You basically crop out the sentence at the point that pleases you.That is PATHETIC. . Even any no Arab here would realize that the guy is stopped in the middle of the sentence.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Same non sense gets repeated all the time. It actually becomes amusing.

Don't expect him to say anything different in front of a Western audience though Doesn't matter how many times you say it Mo, doesn't make it true. It's in bad need of a major reformation. There's a reason why Muslims are waging Jihad in so many different countries around the world. Countries ranging from Nigeria to China. Chechnya and surrounding caucus. Pakistan and the most of the ME. is suffering. As a non-Muslim reading the 9th (last revealed) chapter of the book, it's not difficult to understand why.