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Pro-Trump conspiracist: Trump should skip virtual debate because Biden could be ‘a clone or CGI”

https://deadstate.org/pro-trump-conspiracist-trump-should-skip-virtual-debate-because-biden-could-be-a-clone-or-cgi/

During a recent broadcast of her InfoWars show, right-wing conspiracy theorist DeAnna Lorraine echoed President Trump comments where he said participating in a virtual debate with Joe Biden would be a “waste of time.” According to Trump, he would be at a disadvantage in such a format.

“I’m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate,” Trump told Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “It’s not what debating is all about. … It’s ridiculous.”

Lorraine agreed, but took things a step further. According to her, who even knows if the real Joe Biden will show up.

“There’s no reason to waste time on a virtual debate because you know it’s a setup,” she said. “Joe Biden’s gonna be a home reading from his teleprompter … or it could be a clone, it could be CGI for all we know.”

“We don’t know,” she continued. “It could be his handlers right there showing flash cards and everything. A waste of time. Are you kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me?”

Watch the video below, via Right Wing Watch:

 

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Go trump! Dems win and the western world is done along with my portfolio 

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4 hours ago, DANILA said:

Go trump! Dems win and the western world is done along with my portfolio 

Lol. A rare online trump supporter...

#ENDSARSNOW

[1chelsea 864]

Lol. A rare online trump supporter...

#ENDSARSNOW

SARS is not the problem of the country it is the Government. SARS are just a small pawn

 

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13 hours ago, DANILA said:

Go trump! Dems win and the western world is done along with my portfolio 

you obviously have very little financial acumen and macroeconomic knowledge, especially from a historical basis, as well as a lack of understanding basic multiplier impacts in regards to overarching governmental programmes and policies

the markets since WWII fair better overall under a yank Democratic President than under a Republican one

also, you truly betray a profound lack of discernment when you make a thoroughly ludicrous statement such as 

Quote

Dems win and the western world is done 

Trump is an extraordinarily DISRUPTIVE force when it comes to geo-political, geo-economic, and geo-military global stability. He is in the process of de-coupling all the meticulously built series of Western alliances and security interlocks erected Post-WWII. He gives winks and nods to outright authoritarian dictators, emboldening them to take far too adventurous stances in military theatres of tension whilst knee-capping his nation's closest allies. If he plunges the US headlong into a dystopian nightmare of a profound constitutional crisis, then all manner aggressions could start to take place on a global footprint. Think China (they already are crushing Hong Kong, which never would have happened under any previous US President, regardless of Party) making a move on Taiwan, or North Korea going rogue vis-a-vis SoKo or even Japan, or Turkey (already Erdogan is shit-stirring to a high degree in the Azerbaijani/Armenian conflict going down as we speak) making a play to once and for all ethnically cleanse the Kurds and expand his delusional fever-dream of a new caliphate, Modi in India going full genocide against Muslims in certain regions (he has a history of this, it would not be new) or, finally, Putin making a move for the whole of the Ukraine, or perhaps even going after the Balkans (as Trump has NATO in disarray).

 

 

Democratic presidents are better for the stock market and economy than Republicans, one study shows

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-election-democratic-republican-presidents-better-performance-economy-gdp-2020-8-1029528932#

Contrary to popular belief, the stock market and economy have performed better under Democratic presidents than it has under Republican presidents, according to data going back to 1946.

Liberum, a UK-based investment bank, pointed to historical stock market returns and annual GDP growth to make the case that a Republican president's drive to cut taxes and reduce government spending often leads to lower economic expansion and stock market returns than when a Democratic president is in office.

Since 1947, the S&P 500 has posted a total annual return of 10.8% under Democratic presidents, versus 5.6% under Republican presidents.

And if you exclude the Great Recession and COVID-19 pandemic, both of which happened under a Republican president, the data still points to stronger returns for Democratic presidents versus Republican presidents.

It's a widely held view that Republican presidents are better for the economy and stock market than Democratic presidents, because of their drive to cut taxes and reduce government spending. But the data says otherwise.

According to an August 21 note from Liberum, a UK-based investment bank, historical stock market returns and gross domestic product data points to a stronger economic expansion under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents.

The firm looked at data going back to 1947, which is when official GDP calculations were introduced, to analyse who did better. Liberum credited a new president with the economic performance of the first quarter of his first year in office.

According to Liberum, the average annual US GDP growth rate under a Democratic president was 3.6%, compared to 2.6% for a Republican president. And those economic gains trickled down to stock market gains as well.

Liberum found that the stock market, represented by the S&P 500, posted an average annual total return of 10.8% under a Democratic president, compared to just 5.6% for a Republican president, since 1947.

Many would likely argue that the data is skewed to favour a Democratic president because it includes the Great Recession of 2008, and the COVID-19 induced market sell-off of 2020, both of which happened under Republican presidents.

Therefore, Liberum also looked at the historical data from 1947 to 2006, which excludes both the Great Recession and the COVID-19 pandemic.

But the data is more of the same. From 1947 to 2006, the average annual return for stocks under a Democratic president was 10.5%, versus 6.1% under a Republican president.

The difference in economic and stock market gains between a Democratic and Republican president can be explained by "fiscal multipliers," according to Liberum.

While Republicans aim to stimulate the economy via tax cuts and deregulation, Democrats aim to stimulate consumption (and thus the economy) with redistribution policies like increased unemployment benefits, increased child credits, and food stamp support, Liberum noted.

And those policy differences can lead to sizable differences in their economic impact.

If a tax cut introduced by Republicans led to a 1% decrease in tax income for the government, it would boost economic growth by 0.3% to 0.4%. 

Meanwhile, expanding unemployment benefits and other policies often pushed by Democratic presidents "has a fiscal multiplier of 1.2 to 1.7," Liberum found.

In other words, tax cuts would have to be 5x larger than increases in welfare spending to have a similar economic impact.

"Readers should note that the above is not a political or ideological statement. It as an empirical observation and it holds predominantly in the United States," Liberum concluded.

 

 

 

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/309cc8e1-b971-45c6-ab52-29ffb1da9bf5/jec-fact-sheet---the-economy-under-democratic-vs.-republican-presidents-june-2016.pdf

 

Nov 7, 2016,10:28am EST

Trump Is Right About One Thing: 'The Economy Does Better Under The Democrats'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/#4cb1ff556786

 

 

 

Donald Trump has done more to destabilize the planet than anyone in 75 years: That deserves a prize

https://lenexweb.com/donald-trump-has-done-more-to-destabilize-the-planet-than-anyone-in-75-years-that-deserves-a-prize/

In addition to setting Iran up to be the next nuclear power, Trump could collect a prize for his handling of nuclear weapons in North Korea. Because after exchanges of cake and birthday cards, receiving beautiful notes, stamping out thousands of genuinely hideous commemorative coins, and falling into mutual authoritarian love, the number of nuclear weapons controlled by Kim Jong-un is up to somewhere between 30 and 40; the isolated dictatorship has conducted a expanded program of missile launches; and Kim maintains large stockpiles of both chemical and biological weapons. Trump’s entire outreach to North Korea appears to have resulted in an expanded travel schedule for Kim and excuses for other countries to ignore international sanctions. That’s certainly worth a No Prize.

Or perhaps Donald Trump was nominated for one of his truly outstanding international moments: The abandoning of America’s Kurdish allies. Trump pulled out the small number of U.S. forces helping to maintain order along the border between Syria and Turkey, not only allowing Kurdish fighters who had long sided with the U.S. to be trampled on by a one-two-three dictator punch of Bashar al-Assad, Recep Erdoğan, and Vladimir Putin—he also paved the way for a resurgence of ISIS, created a chaotic power vacuum ripe for creating new terrorist groups, and permanently damaged both the reputation and power of the United States. A big No Prize for that one.

Or Trump could be up for getting that big lump of gold in exchange for his sterling work in selling the bombs that are blowing up civilians in Yemen. Trump’s first out-of-the-U.S. visit was a stop with Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia, where Trump talked up the big heap o’ arms that he was selling the kingdom. Since then, Trump has defended the Saudis’ right to dictate to other nations in the region, including tweeting his wholehearted support of conducting a long-running blockade of a U.S. ally for the crime of having a free press. Trump also hasn’t let little things like the kidnapping, torture, dismemberment, and murder of a U.S. journalist get in the way of his ability to provide the bombs that are blowing up wedding tents, and hospitals, and fishing boats, and school buses, and homes, and … Quick, bring out the No Prize.

Of course, it’s hard to consider Trump’s achievements in international peace without looking at the one that has already earned him a major award: extorting the leader of Ukraine with threats to withhold U.S. military assistance unless Trump was provided with lies he could use against Joe Biden. That one earned Trump an impeachment. (If there was no medal, I would personally like to offer Trump a commemorative plaque celebrating this achievement.) The result of this action wasn’t just the immediate harm it did to Ukraine, or making the United States seem even more ridiculous. It also gave Russia a long-lasting power boost in the region and helped assure that NATO would not expand eastward. Give him all the No Prizes!

Speaking of NATO, Trump’s really outstanding achievement award might be in how much he’s weakened the military and economic relationship with Europe that has prevented World War III since World War II. Every member of the NATO alliance provided forces to assist the United States when it went into Afghanistan, and many of them suffered substantial losses. Trump has made sure that will never happen again by constantly attacking allies and turning the United States into a laughingstock. No Prize for that. 

Trump can have an auxiliary No Prize for how he’s damaged the relationships between the United States and South Korea, and the United States and Japan. But his biggest No Prize of all might be how Trump has so mishandled the relationship with China that he’s generated what’s being described as Cold War II. Having surrendered any claim to the defense of human rights, the United States is now completely ineffective at addressing genuine moments of oppression and genocide. And because Trump has been utterly ineffective at anything other than alienating allies, China has been emboldened to move faster, both internally and externally, to confront the U.S. and make its own demands on the world.

But if Trump is up for the big prize for his unmatched ability to generate worldwide conflict and destabilize the planet as it faces twin crises over the coronavirus and climate, he’s in good company: 

ADOLF HITLER WAS NOMINATED ONCE IN 1939. AS UNLIKELY AS IT MAY SEEM TODAY, ADOLF HITLER WAS NOMINATED FOR THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IN 1939 

 

Hello, history, are you rhyming again?

 

 

stick to football m8

you are profoundly out of you depth on economics and politics

and I did not even get into the open, blaring (not a dog whistle, but a foghorn) racism and white nationalism that Trump is suicidal leading 35% of the country to re-embrace openly

or his maniacal and mass-murdering shambolic handling of the COVID-19 pandemic

 

these videos are FROM ACTUAL REPLUBICAN LEADERS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, 1chelsea said:

SARS is not the problem of the country it is the Government. SARS are just a small pawn

 

Yes it is not the only issue, but it is good to see youths come out together and protest for a cause finally.

Politicians have taken advantage of the differences in Ethnicity and Religion in the country for so long. Anytime you want to stand for a cause, these politicians sponsor and bribe the leaders to put disunity and eventually stop any form of protest against them. Southern people trying to protest against the poor leadership from the Northern politicians will be shut down because someone will accuse you of fighting against his tribe in power (even though the Northern masses have suffered deaths brought by bokoharam  and poor leadership from the military who all come from the North) 

To see everyone unite regardless of tribe is wonderful to see and I hope the #ENDSARS campaign can come successfully. Let the youth know the benefits of uniting against these politicians for a cause.

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Yes it is not the only issue, but it is good to see youths come out together and protest for a cause finally.
Politicians have taken advantage of the differences in Ethnicity and Religion in the country for so long. Anytime you want to stand for a cause, these politicians sponsor and bribe the leaders to put disunity and eventually stop any form of protest against them. Southern people trying to protest against the poor leadership from the Northern politicians will be shut down because someone will accuse you of fighting against his tribe in power (even though the Northern masses have suffered deaths brought by bokoharam  and poor leadership from the military who all come from the North) 
To see everyone unite regardless of tribe is wonderful to see and I hope the #ENDSARS campaign can come successfully. Let the youth know the benefits of uniting against these politicians for a cause.

If this protest continue it will definitely lead to some kind of cleansing of the government system I just hope it does. The pain the government have drown the the masses into is really deep and they never want any form of protest because they know it will lead to something they can't handle (revolution) the best i pray.

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Trump reportedly wanted to rip open his button-down to reveal a Superman T-shirt to surprise people when he left the hospital

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-superman-shirt-hospital-coronavirus-2020-10?r=US&IR=T

President Donald Trump floated an idea to surprise observers by ripping open his button-down shirt and reveal a Superman t-shirt underneath, according to a New York Times report.

Trump made several calls during his stay at the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center last week, in which he proposed the idea of first appearing physically weak to observers.

Upon leaving the hospital, he would rip open a button-down dress shirt to reveal a shirt with the Superman logo, The Times reported.

snip

 

 

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On 10/9/2020 at 2:34 PM, Atomiswave said:

Doesnt matter in the end, both cunts and puppets. Both waste of time.

It does matter. There has never been a more divisive president than Trump. I live far away across the pond, but I've been following US politics since his election and I've seen rapid downward spiral in US society and morality, rise of hate crimes etc... What the president SAYS matters, not only what he does. "Stand back and stand by" being the latest stuff of dictatorial proportions from his mouth. Can't wait to see him prosecuted left and right once he's ousted from the office.

 

On 10/9/2020 at 2:15 PM, Fernando said:

Not a cultists I only vote for him because between the option of Biden and Trump I choose Trump simple because he defends the right to live in abortions and second because of the work he is doing with Israel. He has done phenomenal work with Israel regarding the embassy to Jerusalem and then help with the peace treaty with the emirates. 

Oh, so why did he take drugs developed from cells taken from abortions? Answer me that, if he is sooooo against it?

Do you really believe he has ANY ideological beliefs besides the ideology of keeping the Trumps rich and powerful? He isn't even religious, it's plain to see, everything he has said regarding religion betrays that he has zero knowledge or genuine interest in it. 

LOL...... only a gullible person would believe that he has even read the bible. "Q: New Testament or Old Testament? Trump: Probably equal"  

 

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7 hours ago, Vesper said:

you obviously have very little financial acumen and macroeconomic knowledge, especially from a historical basis, as well as a lack of understanding basic multiplier impacts in regards to overarching governmental programmes and policies

the markets since WWII fair better overall under a yank Democratic President than under a Republican one

also, you truly betray a profound lack of discernment when you make a thoroughly ludicrous statement such as 

Trump is an extraordinarily DISRUPTIVE force when it comes to geo-political, geo-economic, and geo-military global stability. He is in the process of de-coupling all the meticulously built series of Western alliances and security interlocks erected Post-WWII. He gives winks and nods to outright authoritarian dictators, emboldening them to take far too adventurous stances in military theatres of tension whilst knee-capping his nation's closest allies. If he plunges the US headlong into a dystopian nightmare of a profound constitutional crisis, then all manner aggressions could start to take place on a global footprint. Think China (they already are crushing Hong Kong, which never would have happened under any previous US President, regardless of Party) making a move on Taiwan, or North Korea going rogue vis-a-vis SoKo or even Japan, or Turkey (already Erdogan is shit-stirring to a high degree in the Azerbaijani/Armenian conflict going down as we speak) making a play to once and for all ethnically cleanse the Kurds and expand his delusional fever-dream of a new caliphate, Modi in India going full genocide against Muslims in certain regions (he has a history of this, it would not be new) or, finally, Putin making a move for the whole of the Ukraine, or perhaps even going after the Balkans (as Trump has NATO in disarray).

 

 

Democratic presidents are better for the stock market and economy than Republicans, one study shows

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-election-democratic-republican-presidents-better-performance-economy-gdp-2020-8-1029528932#

Contrary to popular belief, the stock market and economy have performed better under Democratic presidents than it has under Republican presidents, according to data going back to 1946.

Liberum, a UK-based investment bank, pointed to historical stock market returns and annual GDP growth to make the case that a Republican president's drive to cut taxes and reduce government spending often leads to lower economic expansion and stock market returns than when a Democratic president is in office.

Since 1947, the S&P 500 has posted a total annual return of 10.8% under Democratic presidents, versus 5.6% under Republican presidents.

And if you exclude the Great Recession and COVID-19 pandemic, both of which happened under a Republican president, the data still points to stronger returns for Democratic presidents versus Republican presidents.

It's a widely held view that Republican presidents are better for the economy and stock market than Democratic presidents, because of their drive to cut taxes and reduce government spending. But the data says otherwise.

According to an August 21 note from Liberum, a UK-based investment bank, historical stock market returns and gross domestic product data points to a stronger economic expansion under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents.

The firm looked at data going back to 1947, which is when official GDP calculations were introduced, to analyse who did better. Liberum credited a new president with the economic performance of the first quarter of his first year in office.

According to Liberum, the average annual US GDP growth rate under a Democratic president was 3.6%, compared to 2.6% for a Republican president. And those economic gains trickled down to stock market gains as well.

Liberum found that the stock market, represented by the S&P 500, posted an average annual total return of 10.8% under a Democratic president, compared to just 5.6% for a Republican president, since 1947.

Many would likely argue that the data is skewed to favour a Democratic president because it includes the Great Recession of 2008, and the COVID-19 induced market sell-off of 2020, both of which happened under Republican presidents.

Therefore, Liberum also looked at the historical data from 1947 to 2006, which excludes both the Great Recession and the COVID-19 pandemic.

But the data is more of the same. From 1947 to 2006, the average annual return for stocks under a Democratic president was 10.5%, versus 6.1% under a Republican president.

The difference in economic and stock market gains between a Democratic and Republican president can be explained by "fiscal multipliers," according to Liberum.

While Republicans aim to stimulate the economy via tax cuts and deregulation, Democrats aim to stimulate consumption (and thus the economy) with redistribution policies like increased unemployment benefits, increased child credits, and food stamp support, Liberum noted.

And those policy differences can lead to sizable differences in their economic impact.

If a tax cut introduced by Republicans led to a 1% decrease in tax income for the government, it would boost economic growth by 0.3% to 0.4%. 

Meanwhile, expanding unemployment benefits and other policies often pushed by Democratic presidents "has a fiscal multiplier of 1.2 to 1.7," Liberum found.

In other words, tax cuts would have to be 5x larger than increases in welfare spending to have a similar economic impact.

"Readers should note that the above is not a political or ideological statement. It as an empirical observation and it holds predominantly in the United States," Liberum concluded.

 

 

 

https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/309cc8e1-b971-45c6-ab52-29ffb1da9bf5/jec-fact-sheet---the-economy-under-democratic-vs.-republican-presidents-june-2016.pdf

 

Nov 7, 2016,10:28am EST

Trump Is Right About One Thing: 'The Economy Does Better Under The Democrats'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/#4cb1ff556786

 

 

 

Donald Trump has done more to destabilize the planet than anyone in 75 years: That deserves a prize

https://lenexweb.com/donald-trump-has-done-more-to-destabilize-the-planet-than-anyone-in-75-years-that-deserves-a-prize/

In addition to setting Iran up to be the next nuclear power, Trump could collect a prize for his handling of nuclear weapons in North Korea. Because after exchanges of cake and birthday cards, receiving beautiful notes, stamping out thousands of genuinely hideous commemorative coins, and falling into mutual authoritarian love, the number of nuclear weapons controlled by Kim Jong-un is up to somewhere between 30 and 40; the isolated dictatorship has conducted a expanded program of missile launches; and Kim maintains large stockpiles of both chemical and biological weapons. Trump’s entire outreach to North Korea appears to have resulted in an expanded travel schedule for Kim and excuses for other countries to ignore international sanctions. That’s certainly worth a No Prize.

Or perhaps Donald Trump was nominated for one of his truly outstanding international moments: The abandoning of America’s Kurdish allies. Trump pulled out the small number of U.S. forces helping to maintain order along the border between Syria and Turkey, not only allowing Kurdish fighters who had long sided with the U.S. to be trampled on by a one-two-three dictator punch of Bashar al-Assad, Recep Erdoğan, and Vladimir Putin—he also paved the way for a resurgence of ISIS, created a chaotic power vacuum ripe for creating new terrorist groups, and permanently damaged both the reputation and power of the United States. A big No Prize for that one.

Or Trump could be up for getting that big lump of gold in exchange for his sterling work in selling the bombs that are blowing up civilians in Yemen. Trump’s first out-of-the-U.S. visit was a stop with Mohammed bin Salman in Saudi Arabia, where Trump talked up the big heap o’ arms that he was selling the kingdom. Since then, Trump has defended the Saudis’ right to dictate to other nations in the region, including tweeting his wholehearted support of conducting a long-running blockade of a U.S. ally for the crime of having a free press. Trump also hasn’t let little things like the kidnapping, torture, dismemberment, and murder of a U.S. journalist get in the way of his ability to provide the bombs that are blowing up wedding tents, and hospitals, and fishing boats, and school buses, and homes, and … Quick, bring out the No Prize.

Of course, it’s hard to consider Trump’s achievements in international peace without looking at the one that has already earned him a major award: extorting the leader of Ukraine with threats to withhold U.S. military assistance unless Trump was provided with lies he could use against Joe Biden. That one earned Trump an impeachment. (If there was no medal, I would personally like to offer Trump a commemorative plaque celebrating this achievement.) The result of this action wasn’t just the immediate harm it did to Ukraine, or making the United States seem even more ridiculous. It also gave Russia a long-lasting power boost in the region and helped assure that NATO would not expand eastward. Give him all the No Prizes!

Speaking of NATO, Trump’s really outstanding achievement award might be in how much he’s weakened the military and economic relationship with Europe that has prevented World War III since World War II. Every member of the NATO alliance provided forces to assist the United States when it went into Afghanistan, and many of them suffered substantial losses. Trump has made sure that will never happen again by constantly attacking allies and turning the United States into a laughingstock. No Prize for that. 

Trump can have an auxiliary No Prize for how he’s damaged the relationships between the United States and South Korea, and the United States and Japan. But his biggest No Prize of all might be how Trump has so mishandled the relationship with China that he’s generated what’s being described as Cold War II. Having surrendered any claim to the defense of human rights, the United States is now completely ineffective at addressing genuine moments of oppression and genocide. And because Trump has been utterly ineffective at anything other than alienating allies, China has been emboldened to move faster, both internally and externally, to confront the U.S. and make its own demands on the world.

But if Trump is up for the big prize for his unmatched ability to generate worldwide conflict and destabilize the planet as it faces twin crises over the coronavirus and climate, he’s in good company: 

ADOLF HITLER WAS NOMINATED ONCE IN 1939. AS UNLIKELY AS IT MAY SEEM TODAY, ADOLF HITLER WAS NOMINATED FOR THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE IN 1939 

 

Hello, history, are you rhyming again?

 

 

stick to football m8

you are profoundly out of you depth on economics and politics

and I did not even get into the open, blaring (not a dog whistle, but a foghorn) racism and white nationalism that Trump is suicidal leading 35% of the country to re-embrace openly

or his maniacal and mass-murdering shambolic handling of the COVID-19 pandemic

 

these videos are FROM ACTUAL REPLUBICAN LEADERS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To just start throwing insults is classic and what I expected of both you and the left. I have zero financial and economic acumen? Right on, guess I work in PE on zero basis. I noticed a large imbalance on this forum to the left and wanted to even things out by posting a quick one liner and to make people laugh. I will go back up and read what you posted since I appreciate how much time you put into it (not being sarcastic), but I have my reasons as to why I support Trump and am right wing / conservative. While not an extensive list, I've had enough of political correctness, SJ, and high taxes being spent inefficiently. Trump is much better for equities and it's not even debatable although it seems like the market has accepted a Biden victory and aren't so negative about it - thank god.  

You post all this nonsense against Trump and you look at Biden and can seriously tell me he's fit to be president? He's completely senile. No wonder why China wants him in.

[DANILA 290]

If dems were in power the covid situation would be even worse - it would have been "politically incorrect" to ban flights from China. You had the witch Pelosi taking the piss on Trump by saying everyone in SF should go to china town in late february. Ultimately, it was inevitable USA would be worst hit by covid due to its size and "free" nature of Americans. It's really in the governors' hands what they do per their respective state. Did lockdowns in March and April really help? I think its obvious they didn't looking at what's going on now around the developed world. To blame Trump entirely for the covid situation in the US is a joke.

EDIT: wanted to clarify I agreed with the lockdowns and am not an anti-masker or anything, but its pretty clear we're back to the starting point.

[Atomiswave 6,118]

6 hours ago, manpe said:

It does matter. There has never been a more divisive president than Trump. I live far away across the pond, but I've been following US politics since his election and I've seen rapid downward spiral in US society and morality, rise of hate crimes etc... What the president SAYS matters, not only what he does. "Stand back and stand by" being the latest stuff of dictatorial proportions from his mouth. Can't wait to see him prosecuted left and right once he's ousted from the office.

He just happens to be the one that did all that, if not him then another would have. There is no red and blue, no sides to take. They are all scumbags and puppets. No nothing will happen to Trump, he will be a good doggy following orders, they are exempt. He will never be prosecuted I guarantee it. You think Biden is any better? Hillery? They all got blood on their hands. You have to ask yourself why a nation of 350M people cannot produce any better so called leaders than these leeches.

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13 hours ago, DANILA said:

To just start throwing insults is classic and what I expected of both you and the left. I have zero financial and economic acumen? Right on, guess I work in PE on zero basis. I noticed a large imbalance on this forum to the left and wanted to even things out by posting a quick one liner and to make people laugh. I will go back up and read what you posted since I appreciate how much time you put into it (not being sarcastic), but I have my reasons as to why I support Trump and am right wing / conservative. While not an extensive list, I've had enough of political correctness, SJ, and high taxes being spent inefficiently. Trump is much better for equities and it's not even debatable although it seems like the market has accepted a Biden victory and aren't so negative about it - thank god.  

You post all this nonsense against Trump and you look at Biden and can seriously tell me he's fit to be president? He's completely senile. No wonder why China wants him in.

I am not American, I do not care about Biden other than he is not Trump

I do have an honours bachelor degree in political science, and a masters in international relations, amongst other degrees, so I am also not a neophyte when it comes to American politics (I lived in NYC for almost two years reading for my MBA as well, and have travelled more than a small amount within the 48 contiguous states)

I just want the racist, lying (like he breathes) thuggish, criminal, fascist, anti-science, misogynistic, clinically sociopathic-narcissistic,  and profoundly destabilising assclown Trump off the bloody world stage

Trump is literally the absolute WORST of what makes up the American zeitgeist, the very essence of the nation, with all things remotely good filtered out, then distilled into a bloated orange carcass and rolled out onto the world's stage smelling of shit , hate, greed, chaos, death, and delusion

it is shameful that you support an blatant white nationalist and utterly race baiting cunt

fuck racists

I will ALWAYS, as a woman of colour, energetically punch back against any racist and/or anyone supporting racists

also, you do not know anything about whether I am right or left

I consider it often be a false paradigm

especially when the label 'left' is lobbed around as a plazzy pejorative by self proclaimed right wingers

I am very much a capitalist, I profoundly disagree with the fundamental tenant of socialism (state ownership of the means of production)

I also believe in a highly developed regulatory state, that curbs the inevitable excesses that also flow from unfettered, unchecked, oligarchic-dominate capitalist systems

I also am a profoundly firm believer in an expansive social safety net, on that goes a long wat towards ensuring that wealth inequality (the number one overarching metric that determines the overall health overall level of a nation state) is kept at bay as much as possible

a vibrant capitalist sector working synergistically with a vibrant social welfare state is by far the best model developed to date on the planet

it is what we have here in the Nordics, and not only is our capitalist far more robust and productive (per hour worked) than the US, but we have VASTLY HIGHER upward social mobility. Of all the leading OECD nations, the only one with worse upward mobility than the US is the UK. In the US, you are far more entrenched and likely to stay in the lower deciles of wealth when you are born into them. The whole 'rags to riche's Horatio Alger meme is far more likely to be found in Denmark or Germany, etc than anywhere in the United States. It is one of the biggest cons perpetrated by the American systemic controllers of both parties.

the American self-labelled right is also utterly ludicrous when they squeal COMMIE! SOCIALIST! about fucking neoliberal Biden, who would be solid centre right (as would half of the US Democratic party) if they were in most all other advanced Western nations, especially here in the EU

Bernie Sanders, AOC, Omar, NONE are socialists, let alone communists

they foolishly (and falsely) incorrectly self-label as democratic socialists, when they are ALL just bog standard social democrats

why they do this, I have no idea, other than it is typical American hubris (hubris is rampant on every side, every nick, every cranny of American thought), wherein they think they can simply change hundreds of years old definitions as they see fit

not a single Democrat member of Congress believes in state ownership of the means of production

Sanders has given many speeches where he says he is completely against that.

you (and most all of America) need to learn basic definitions before you childishly toss out political labels that obviously you have no clue as to what they actual entail

to call any of them 'socialists' is just ignorance on parade, but to then instantly (like 95%+ of yanks that I know who self-identify as being on the right) equate socialism with communism is to remove all doubt of a substandard education and/or intellect

I really have a hard time taking seriously people who claim to be American 'conservatives' and yet then support the biggest systemic threat to your constitutional rule of law and thus the entire structural underpinnings of your republic in its history, that being Donald John Trump. Trump is a fucking reactionary fascist, a cretin who will sacrifice and destroy ANY norm, any set of rules, any organically derived at practice (regardless of its length of duration throughout human political history) that stands in his way. He is a wrecker, literally the opposite of a conservational entity

There is NOTHING 'conservative' about Trump. If you think so, then I suggest you go and actually study conservatism, from its Aristotelian roots in ancient Greece, down through the centuries, and into the era of post enlightenment modernity that gave rise to people like Edmund Burke etc, and then slide over into the American milieu and read some Russell Kirk, especially his seminal work, The Conservative Mind, which is foundational to actual post WWII American conservatism (and lays out a historical basis for it as well).

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Couldn't agree more ^^

Think trump is a despicable human being lacking any empathy for anyone who's not his family - basically a mobster who uses lawyers and twitter as thugs.  He has shown how broken the US government is, and how much work is needed to reinstate the checks and balances we thought we had. It's all gone at the moment... even the CDC - IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC - is completely quiet and irrelevant. Early days I received a pamphlet by mail that said something like, "Turmp's Guidelines on fighting the Covid pandamic..." Not from the CDC, or even the US government, from Trump.  

Trump is the first third world president the US has ever had... I see the similarities as clear as day: starts with rampant nepotism (the wannabe royals), blatant multiple conflicts of interests, and questionable/illegal activities. He is a known tax cheat as reported multiple times by the NYT. I mean he's been fighting very hard so that his tax returns don't see the light of day.

NYT, has a great article about that today:
The Swamp That Trump Built: A businessman-president transplanted favor-seeking in Washington to his family’s hotels and resorts — and earned millions as a gatekeeper to his own administration.

Doesn't really have to go far to see that a lot of folks who worked for him are in jail (got a pardon), or will be indicted soon. Once he leaves office a lot more will go too. Trump trying to be the "law and order" guy is really laughable... esp given that all that has taken place recently has happened under his watch... not to mention that he encourages a lot of that. You talk to right wing guys and Antifa is a real danger even though the FBI repeatedly says that white supremacists groups are the dangerous ones.(thanks here go to fox news of course)

He complains about the system being stacked against him, and at the same time his lapdog (Barr) boasts about the incredible powers of the presidency - so which one is it? Does he lack power as president or is he a de facto king and untouchable by the law? Have to say it looks like the latter, which brings us back to my point that he broke the US gov and its institutions by doing the most obvious thing: whoever disagreed with him was fired, and if possible, ruined; a simple and effective way to surround yourself with lapdogs.

People should really take notice of the outstanding number of conservatives who don't support Donald Trump at the moment. Then again, he's not really a conservative is he? Before Covid, he was pressurizing the fed to keep interest rates low for him to look good.

"Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times. He registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987, switched to the Reform Party in 1999, the Democratic Party in 2001, and back to the Republican Party in 2009.^[1]"

Religious right should never follow Trump, who believes as much in god as I do (not at all). Binden is the church goer one.

Finally, even if the criticism about Binden being past his prime, even senile is correct, which is difficult to assess given that multiple reports from aides say the same about trump, it's really not that hard a job. All you have to do is surround yourself with competent people and LISTEN TO THEM! That's something Trump has never been able to do.

PS: Not a fan of (centrist) Binden myself or the democratic party who can be way too PC and weak at times. It's just hard to take folks who don't believe in science very seriously (as if it were a matter of belief). Unsurprisingly, these anti-science extremists are also racist... just like their enabler.

quick note on the media: US media is very polarized and way too monetized. You have the agenda-full Msnbcs, the crazy always-breaking-news CNN, and the absolute garbage that fox news is. Shareholders and news don't mix very well.

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The Count #2: Trump’s Plot To Steal The Election

 

The Count is a daily newsletter and live show from The Appeal and NowThis News, which focuses on what happens in the scenario that the 2020 presidential race is too close to call on election night, if President Donald Trump makes good on his promise to not accept the election results, and what we can do in the 77 days between election day and the inauguration to uphold our democracy.  If you were forwarded this newsletter and would like to subscribe, sign up here. President Donald Trump and his allies across the country are already laying the groundwork for their plans to steal the election.  Today, we’ll look at: The Republican plan to treat established voter trends as fraudulent. Election night and how Trump wants to stop the ballot count and claim victory. Loopholes in the Electoral College system that allows Republican legislatures to support their preferred candidate when results are unclear—and their plan to make results unclear. THE DAILY COUNTDOWN. 22 days until election day. 57 days until the deadline for all ballots to be counted. 63 days until electoral college slates send their votes to Congress. 86 days until Congress counts electoral college votes. 100 days until inauguration day. TRUMP’S PLAN TO STEAL THE ELECTION HAS THREE PARTS. Earlier this year, President Trump said the quiet part out loud, admitting that reforms designed to spur more people to vote, including increased early voting and mail-in voting, would harm him and the GOP: “you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” That’s why longstanding GOP voter suppression tactics such as closing polling locations, voter roll purges, and overly-restrictive voter ID laws aimed at restricting access to the ballot have only intensified this election cycle. But there are three unique strategies that Trump plans to use to try to steal the election after votes have been cast. Those are the strategies that we are focused on today. STEP 1: FALSELY CLAIM THAT THE “BLUE SHIFT” IS FRAUDULENT. WHAT IS THE “BLUE SHIFT”? -- Over the last two decades, votes counted after election night tend to be from Democratic voters, meaning that the election day count understates the actual percentage of votes that the Democrat candidate received in the election. Academics have dubbed this phenomenon the “blue shift,” and it is thought to be driven by the fact that Democratic voters are more likely to cast both provisional and mail-in ballots, which often take longer to process and count.  NATIONAL MAIL-IN VOTING INCREASES -- In states that record this data, Democratic voters have already returned 1.4 million mail-in ballots in early voting, but only 653,000 Republicans have done so, which forecasts the potential of a “blue shift” again this year. PA MAIL-IN VOTING INCREASES -- In Pennsylvania, a crucial swing state, Democratic voters have requested mail-in ballots at a rate of 3 to 1 over Republicans. There could be as many as 10 times more mail-in votes in 2020 than in 2016. State law prohibits these from being processed until election day. These are signs pointing to a “blue shift” in Pennsylvania this year, a key swing state in the Presidential election. “BLUE SHIFT” IN PA FOR MORE THAN A DECADE -- Since 2004, the blue shift has resulted in every Democratic presidential candidate receiving over 22,000 votes in Pennsylvania between election night and the final results. Given the increased mail-in voting numbers this year, it’s likely that trend will not only continue but intensify in this election. RECENT “BLUE SHIFT” IN AZ -- In 2018, Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate Martha McSally was up by 15,403 votes after Election Day. However, after all of the ballots were processed and counted, McSally ultimately lost to Democratic candidate Kyrsten Sinema by 55,900 votes. TRUMP PLAYBOOK: “BLUE SHIFT” = “BLUE STEAL” -- Trump will mislabel this pedestrian phenomenon as fraud. Indeed, Steve Bannon, President Trump’s former chief strategist, is literally on a cross-country media tour, spreading the false idea that Democrats are trying to “steal this election from President Trump’s game day vote” and that the “blue shift” is actually the “blue steal.” “They keep referring to the election as like game day … like this is a football match, as opposed to a decision regarding the future of our nation. They're trying to convince people that the one true vote count happens on Election Day, which is completely divorced from the reality of how people are voting and what is necessary to count like all of the millions of votes in this nation.”—The Count co-host Emily Galvin-Almanza STEP 2: STOP COUNTING VOTES AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. TRUMP WILL USE THE “RED MIRAGE” -- If Trump and the GOP are leading in key swing states on election night, because the disproportionately Democratic mail-in votes are counted after Election Day, then Trump will use this “red mirage” to declare victory early and call for the ballot count to be halted, under the guise of preventing fraud. TRUMP’S DONE THIS BEFORE -- In 2018, in line with the “Blue Shift” phenomenon, Democratic candidates in Florida started making large gains in both a U.S. Senate and a gubernatorial race during post-Election Day counting (though neither candidate ultimately won). President Trump tweeted: “The Florida Election should be called in favor of Rick Scott and Ron DeSantis in that large numbers of new ballots showed up out of nowhere, and many ballots are missing or forged. An honest vote count is no longer possible-ballots massively infected. Must go with Election Night!” MEDIA COVERAGE OF ELECTION NIGHT PLAYS INTO TRUMP’S HANDS -- Because the media covers election night like it’s the Super Bowl, and each network desires to be the first to call a winner, Americans have become accustomed to election winners being called on election night, even though there may be millions of votes left to count on election night. But this practice, and the public expectation it creates for knowing the winner on Election Day, could feed into Trump’s strategy of calling the race for himself on November 3rd, and then claiming that any post Election Day counting is fraudulent. THE GOP STRATEGY ISN’T JUST BLUSTER -- In 2000, Al Gore won the popular vote but needed Florida’s Electoral College votes to take the presidency. George W. Bush’s campaign sued to stop a hand recount of ballots, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Bush’s favor. The lawsuit bypassed the will of the voters, as a final analysis found Gore had actually won the most votes in Florida. STEP 3: BYPASS THE WILL OF VOTERS BY SENDING FRAUDULENT SLATES OF TRUMP ELECTORS TO CONGRESS. SENDING FRAUDULENT ELECTORS -- Traditionally, the candidate who receives the most votes in a state has their slate of electors sent to vote for them to Congress. Typically, that slate is selected by the governor. But state legislatures can also send electors. And there’s no clear mechanism that stops legislatures or governors from sending electors to support their candidate.  THIS COULD LEAD TO THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO -- A Democratic governor, based on vote totals, could select electors that will cast their votes for Biden. But if that state has a Republican-controlled legislature, lawmakers, citing “fraud” in the aftermath of a “red mirage” on election night could select a separate slate of electors that would support Trump. This scenario is most worrisome in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin--three crucial swing states with a Democratic Governor and a Republican-controlled legislature. COMPETING ELECTORS -- On Dec. 14, these two slates of electors -- the official set from the Democratic governor and the fraudulent set from the Republican-controlled legislatures -- would meet separately and cast their electoral votes for the two competing candidates, and send those competing votes to Congress. ELECTORAL COUNT ACT IS FAMOUSLY INCOHERENT -- It’s up to the newly elected Congress—not the current Congress—to count the slates of elector votes on Jan. 6. There are multiple scenarios that could play out in Congress, and we will dive into them in future newsletters. For now, let’s just say one thing clearly: The 1877 Electoral Count Act, created to resolve such disputes, is famously incoherent and legal scholars disagree over how to interpret it and whether it's even constitutional. PRESIDENT NANCY PELOSI? -- If there is still no clear winner by Inauguration Day, on January 20 the House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, becomes acting president. Pelosi is reportedly preparing for these scenarios, including how to respond to Republican legislatures sending their own slates of electors. COMPETING ELECTOR SLATES HAS HAPPENED BEFORE... -- Preceding the passage of the Electoral Count Act, the 1876 election between Democrat Samuel Tilden and Republican Rutherford B. Hayes saw three states send rival slates of electors to Congress. Because no law at the time addressed the question of how Congress should resolve this kind of dispute, the count was settled via a closed door meeting of a 15-member commission, after which Democrats ultimately agreed to accept Hayes as president in exchange for a withdrawal of federal troops from the South and an end to Reconstruction. ...AND IT CAN HAPPEN AGAIN -- The 1876 election shows how important it is for the Democratic party, and Democratic members of Congress, to deny illegitimate Trump electors. As The Count co-host Alana Sivin said, “if the Democratic party isn't strong we could end up with policies that really hurt people. You know in the election of 1876, the true winner allowed himself to get strong-armed into getting rid of civil rights for Black Americans.” TRUMP’S PLAN TO STEAL THE ELECTION CAN BE STOPPED.   In future newsletters, we will interview experts and dive deep into the mechanics of how to prevent a stolen election. For now, though, remember this: The single best and most effective way to ensure a fair and free election--and increase the odds of avoiding this whole nightmare scenario--is massive voter mobilization and turnout. An overwhelming margin of victory, especially in key swing states, will drastically undermine any attempt to steal the election away from the will of the voters.  WHAT WE ARE TRACKING Republicans are spending $20 million on litigation, which is twice as much as Democrats’ are spending this year, and an unprecedented level of legal costs for an election cycle. The RNC is involved in 40 cases so far. Trump’s voter intimidation rhetoric is so strong that Republican poll watchers are being reminded in training tapes to “behave yourself” and to not literally challenge every ballot. But in Montana, training tapes included attacks on mail-in voting by Democrats and the need to “monitor neighborhoods.” Facebook is also not impressed, and has banned content that promotes voter intimidation and military-style language when talking about poll watchers. Last month, Donald Trump Jr. called for followers to “enlist” in an “army for Trump” and become poll watchers. Rational fear over panic. Ed Kilgore wrote for Intelligencer about the need for “rational fear” rather than panic over Trump’s plan to steal the election. He also made the point that he’d “feel much better if we were hearing a chorus of Republican elected officials and conservative opinion leaders sharply rebuking the president’s war on voting by mail and distancing themselves from any post-election effort to contest the results.” Justified Fear. The fear seems justified when we’re reminded that wargaming of the election turned up street-level violence in almost every scenario. The only situation that escaped this fate? A landslide for Biden.

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Billionaire 'financier' Leon Black - paid at least $50 million dollars into paedo Epsteins account after he was convicted of child sex offences. 

Nothing dodgy there then

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On 10/11/2020 at 6:53 AM, manpe said:

It does matter. There has never been a more divisive president than Trump. I live far away across the pond, but I've been following US politics since his election and I've seen rapid downward spiral in US society and morality, rise of hate crimes etc... What the president SAYS matters, not only what he does. "Stand back and stand by" being the latest stuff of dictatorial proportions from his mouth. Can't wait to see him prosecuted left and right once he's ousted from the office.

 

Oh, so why did he take drugs developed from cells taken from abortions? Answer me that, if he is sooooo against it?

Do you really believe he has ANY ideological beliefs besides the ideology of keeping the Trumps rich and powerful? He isn't even religious, it's plain to see, everything he has said regarding religion betrays that he has zero knowledge or genuine interest in it. 

LOL...... only a gullible person would believe that he has even read the bible. "Q: New Testament or Old Testament? Trump: Probably equal"  

 

Well your right he got a drug that used aborted fetus. That was a irony to everything. 

So yes he does not have ideology beliefs so it seems but the fact still stand apart from him no one done the work that I wanted to be done in abortion or Israel in bringing peace with arab countries. 

So when it comes between 2 choices, Biden who will not support those causes that I want and Trump, then the clear winner is Trump for me. 

Now I will let you know that if we had other options I would vote for someone else. But that is the problem with the system of electing a president in the US. And not that it matters because in NY we are democrat so my vote for a republican candidate has no bearing giving that the way a vote is won is not by total amount of numbers of all vote but electoral vote, which is something else....

 

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6 hours ago, Fernando said:

Well your right he got a drug that used aborted fetus. That was a irony to everything. 

So yes he does not have ideology beliefs so it seems but the fact still stand apart from him no one done the work that I wanted to be done in abortion or Israel in bringing peace with arab countries. 

So when it comes between 2 choices, Biden who will not support those causes that I want and Trump, then the clear winner is Trump for me. 

Now I will let you know that if we had other options I would vote for someone else. But that is the problem with the system of electing a president in the US. And not that it matters because in NY we are democrat so my vote for a republican candidate has no bearing giving that the way a vote is won is not by total amount of numbers of all vote but electoral vote, which is something else....

 

you are such a radical religious control freak, a person that demands ALL others submit to your version of your religion (just like the Taliban and Al Qaeda do), that you will willingly vote for a monster who will fucking destroy your nation

your entire structure of norms and the rule of law is already bludgeoned half to death

and all this because you a one or two issue (I suspect more) crackpot

that is fucking MENTAL

I HIGHLY suspect that you yourself do not stop at abortion, nope, not at all

I am damn near sure you also want to criminalise IVF and take away all civil rights and protections from us LGBTQ folk, from us PoC, from us women, from the poor, the sick, etc etc

plus a whole lot more of shitbaggery, all based on some twisted version and interpretation of a bloody 2000 to 4000 year old set of texts in a book about some imaginary sky being, and combined with a slavish devotion to the oligarch class

you have the whiff and smell of fanatic all over you

even if you yourself are not radicalised to that extent, you support power structures WHO ARE

that death cult catholic whack job Coney Barrett is already going to be approved for your SCOTUS

the nutcase refused to even say that it is utterly unconstitutional (it is) for Trump to unilaterally delay or stop the goddamn election!

the radical religious lunatics are going to force the Democratic party to expand the Supreme Court

the yank RW cunts are playing with fire

they are going to fuck around and start a civil war down the road, or force a military coup d'état

there is NOT going to be a real world Gilead-style christofascist government installed in the USA, as much as you may very well yearn for it

that is a suicidally delusional wish

they will be stopped at the end of the day

even if it takes kinetic action

they are completely outnumbered and do not have the long wave historic forces on their side

Sic semper tyrannis

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On 12.10.2020 at 7:31 PM, Fulham Broadway said:

Billionaire 'financier' Leon Black - paid at least $50 million dollars into paedo Epsteins account after he was convicted of child sex offences. 

Nothing dodgy there then

Epstein would have financed and directed that disgusting filth of an abomination called cuties by netflix.....thank God it has ruined netflix so far with over 9B loses and a court case in Texas.