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[Fulham Broadway 17,309]

Just now, Fernando said:

And what proof you came to?

Was the planet hotter? Cooler? 

Was Greenland actually green back 1,000 years before freezing? etc etc

OK we're going round in fucking circles here. Why do you think Trump removed all references from the website ?

[Pizy 18,888]

Can't believe what I'm reading here. We actually have a genuine climate change denier on TalkChelsea? Really?

What next, a "Trump isn't so bad. Give him a chance!" guy?

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

OK we're going round in fucking circles here. Why do you think Trump removed all references from the website ?

I have no idea why. It's the same question I asked myself why the Smithsonian hides all evidence of Giants.... 

[Fernando 6,585]

45 minutes ago, Pizy said:

Can't believe what I'm reading here. We actually have a genuine climate change denier on TalkChelsea? Really?

What next, a "Trump isn't so bad. Give him a chance!" guy?

Climate change is real but I don't believe that it's the way it's being projected. 

Like I said history book give account of voyages and certain things and we can glean from that and project that  weather have been through different cycles. 

Then there's also the fact that sun can have an effect on everything. Like if the sun is getting hotter it will raise the temperature here on earth.... 

And if you want to take this, the Bible says that the sun will scorch people in the future. If this is true and I believe it to be true then there's nothing that climate change will be able to do. We can't control the sun. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Alt Right leader was attacked today at the inauguration too

 

Here he was in happier times:

[Blue Armour 4,438]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

Climate change is real but I don't believe that it's the way it's being projected. 

Like I said history book give account of voyages and certain things and we can glean from that and project that  weather have been through different cycles. 

Then there's also the fact that sun can have an effect on everything. Like if the sun is getting hotter it will raise the temperature here on earth.... 

And if you want to take this, the Bible says that the sun will scorch people in the future. If this is true and I believe it to be true then there's nothing that climate change will be able to do. We can't control the sun. 

Mate, I think what you're trying to say is that planet has always gone through cycles of cooling and warming.

While the science does agree with that, and yes, we are in one of those 'warming cycles' the fact is that the earth is warming up at an incredibly fast rate especially in the past few decades. Co-incidence?

 

Honestly, the point is the not fact that the planet is warming up. Yes, its happened before and the planet will definitely survive this one. The point is that we're making it happen much faster than the norm,..faster than we might be able to keep up, and we're only shooting ourselves in the foot with this. The planet won't care and won't miss us if we do so,.... but we ought to start caring for ourselves. That's the point.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Fernando no we don't go by history books, we have very accurate estimates that go back thousands of years, through all sorts of extrapolations from what we know about the earth now. Here's a timeline that goes 20,000 years back (in cartoon form to make for easier reading):

So, no, the earth has most likely never been as hot as it is now for the past 20,000 years, but more importantly it has never changed temperature as rapidly as it has in the past 50 years.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

On a different note, I have been unable to stop watching this GIF for hours now. 

Interventions are welcomed! 

[Fulham Broadway 17,309]

Hahahahaha !

[Fernando 6,585]

5 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

@Fernando no we don't go by history books, we have very accurate estimates that go back thousands of years, through all sorts of extrapolations from what we know about the earth now. Here's a timeline that goes 20,000 years back (in cartoon form to make for easier reading):

So, no, the earth has most likely never been as hot as it is now for the past 20,000 years, but more importantly it has never changed temperature as rapidly as it has in the past 50 years.

Wow that's a good analysis. So then according to that we are much warmer but it's out of the norm. 

Like warming up is normal but not at this rapid pace as blue armor mentioned. 

Now I'm curious, does such a thing exists for the sun? 

Certainly we can account for some change in weather because of human in this industrial age. 

But can the sun also be accelerating this trend? Are we able to measure the sun output of heat say the last 1000 years? 

 

[kmk108 1,186]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Wow that's a good analysis. So then according to that we are much warmer but it's out of the norm. 

Like warming up is normal but not at this rapid pace as blue armor mentioned. 

Now I'm curious, does such a thing exists for the sun? 

Certainly we can account for some change in weather because of human in this industrial age. 

But can the sun also be accelerating this trend? Are we able to measure the sun output of heat say the last 1000 years? 

 

I'm sure there's someone who can actually answer your question (my knowledge on this stuff sucks), but I remember talking about calculating the sun's energy output in a space exploration class I took in college.

[Fulham Broadway 17,309]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Wow that's a good analysis. So then according to that we are much warmer but it's out of the norm. 

Like warming up is normal but not at this rapid pace as blue armor mentioned. 

Now I'm curious, does such a thing exists for the sun? 

Certainly we can account for some change in weather because of human in this industrial age. 

But can the sun also be accelerating this trend? Are we able to measure the sun output of heat say the last 1000 years? 

 

Like KMK have little knowledge- but some studies show the sun is getting hotter over the last 150 years, thus increasing the global temperature, but greenhouse gasses caused by fossil fuels just act like a magnifying glass

[CHOULO19 24,332]

5 hours ago, Fernando said:

Wow that's a good analysis. So then according to that we are much warmer but it's out of the norm. 

Like warming up is normal but not at this rapid pace as blue armor mentioned. 

Now I'm curious, does such a thing exists for the sun? 

Certainly we can account for some change in weather because of human in this industrial age. 

But can the sun also be accelerating this trend? Are we able to measure the sun output of heat say the last 1000 years? 

We can measure the sun temperature with even greater accuracy because in many ways it's simpler than predicting that of a planet. Our sun is getting hotter and it will keep on doing so while expanding until it turns into a red giant and starts cooling off.

But the changes in the sun are too slow to be seen in hundreds or even thousands of years. You have to remember that our sun is 4 billion years old and it will be at least another 5 billion years before it starts turning into a red giant. 

The main cause of the current climate trend (not weather, not even global climate in a single year) is not a scientifically interesting question, because it incredibly obvious. You don't even need to be a scientist to deduce it:

Global temperatures move almost identically as CO2 levels. Increasing CO2 levels due to the burning of fossil fuels are the number one contributor to climate change. Exxonmobil themselves knew this back in the 70s because science does not care about political partisanship nor economic systems. 

[Spike 12,049]

The thing about climate change is that most people's ideas for 'saving the planet' are just platitudes.Quite simply put, it is much easier to talk of living a pre-industrial society than actually doing so. The only solution that is even remotely plausible today is nuclear power, but that has an incredible social stigma due to Chernobyl and pop culture.

[lucio 5,418]

not sure on the political context as it were, but this is in sweden, pretty funny, have your volume up

 

as for the climate change issue, it's difficult to see what can be done, but as for improving the enviroment, loads can be done, Don't want to sound arrogant, but if I was in charge of it in England,  I could get a lot of things improved