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[Rmpr 8,977]

I said that for effect journo style

200 000 peeps protesting, and looks like a few things on fire -do you think social media plays a big part in it spreading ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-22946736

Facebook and Twitter are basically the main reason many people got involved, there is no doubt about it...

Also, the vast majority of the manifestants are middle to upper class university students. Which is very nice to see we are not alienated to what most workers have to go through everyday to make ends meet even though we live in super cool houses, drive expensive cars and travel to Europe and USA!

My best ever post on TalkChelsea: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/7709-the-pub-discuss-anything/?p=702452

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Facebook and Twitter are basically the main reason many people got involved, there is no doubt about it...

Also, the vast majority of the manifestants are middle to upper class university students. Which is very nice to see we are not alienated to what most workers have to go through everyday to make ends meet even though we live in super cool houses, drive expensive cars and travel to Europe and USA!

My best ever post on TalkChelsea: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/7709-the-pub-discuss-anything/?p=702452

ok so its not the favelas uprising ? hopefully they will soon and their will be more equality !!

[Rmpr 8,977]

ok so its not the favelas uprising ? hopefully they will soon and their will be more equality !!

At first it isnt, basically because people with a higher level of education tend to be more politically engaged, but they are joining us and it will be utterly important to our cause!

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

At first it isnt, basically because people with a higher level of education tend to be more politically engaged, but they are joining us and it will be utterly important to our cause!

Excellent. I wish Britain would be more like Turkey, Brazil and have some balls . Most people here are atomised and individualised and take whatever crumbs are thrown

[Rmpr 8,977]

Excellent. I wish Britain would be more like Turkey, Brazil and have some balls . Most people here are atomised and individualised and take whatever crumbs are thrown

People aren't/weren't so different in Brazil, but there is a level mobolization never seen in decades and nobody could haven forseen it a couple of weeks ago...

I think it is a once in a lifetime opportunity that we have to try to change something. There are many radical people thinking we can do wonders, but since I am more down to earth, if we can make the government invest a decent amount of money in health, security and education (ala South Korea), I will leave the protests with mission accomplished.

There is a huge level of positivism around here, it is fantastic that the population are more worried about their rights than about the shit Confederations Cup!

[Stingray 9,441]

That is so untrue!

People burned one single car in one single city (Rio de Janeiro) and all of a sudden Brazil is burning.

In Sao Paulo, where it all started and where things got seriously dangerous on Thursday, more than 100 thousand people walked peacefully for 5 hours throughout the city!!!

I dont know how old you are, but many saying what is happening in Brazil is very similar to the 1968 French student protests...

Well i admire the situation. This is nothing like the soixante huitards in Europe. That was a pure worldwide revolution. It roamed the globe, effected all! This is a start though!!

[Rmpr 8,977]

Well i admire the situation. This is nothing like the soixante huitards in Europe. That was a pure worldwide revolution. It roamed the globe, effected all! This is a start though!!

I agree and that is why I said it looks like the first protests in France and not generally the 1968 ones!

It started with University Students and with extreme police violence and power abuse. Then, the majority of the population backed up their cause and came to the streets with banners and songs of order. Lastly, it spreaded to what we know (11mi people on the streets, with strikes everywhere)..

Sounds familiar?

[Stingray 9,441]

Thats why I said it looks like the first protests in France and not generally the 1968 ones!

It started with University Students and with extreme police violence and power abuse. Then, the majority of the population backed up their cause and came to the streets with banners and songs of order. Lastly it spreaded to what we know (11mi people on the streets, with strikes everywhere)..

Sounds familiar?

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[CHOULO19 24,332]

Excellent. I wish Britain would be more like Turkey, Brazil and have some balls . Most people here are atomised and individualised and take whatever crumbs are thrown

I think Brasil is one of the very few countries in the world that this could actually happen and people would actually get the rights they are asking for.

Here in third world countries any demand for freedom and rights would almost inevitable become a civil war while in countries like Britain, people are satisfied and would rather not risk the 'crumbs' they are thrown, as you rightly said. That is the 'brilliance' of capitalism.

[SinineUltra 1,170]

This is sensational and unbelievable if there is even a shred of truth in it. The entire SEAL team that nailed Osama Bin Laden die under mysterious circumstances. Uncle Sam, at least pretend to be respectable!

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/7/the-betrayal-of-the-navys-seal-team-6/

I'm a bit late quoting you but if this is how it reads then it's shocking. I'm actually reading a book about the Osama bin Laden mission and the Team Six. Then again it's nothing surprising- politics is a dog-eat-dog world where only those prevail who go to any lengths.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

I agree and that is why I said it looks like the first protests in France and not generally the 1968 ones!

It started with University Students and with extreme police violence and power abuse. Then, the majority of the population backed up their cause and came to the streets with banners and songs of order. Lastly, it spreaded to what we know (11mi people on the streets, with strikes everywhere)..

Sounds familiar?

Brazilian President Rousseff said on Tuesday “The size of yesterday’s marches is evidence of the strength of our democracy.” and that “she is proud so many people are fighting for a better country”.

Today she’s mobilising the army …Swiftly moving from concessionary bullshit to military repression within 24hrs.

Gilberto Carvalho, (Ricardo?? )secretary general of Rousseff’s Worker’s Party (!) said “It would be pretentious to say we understand what’s going on…If we are not sensitive we’ll be caught on the wrong side of history.”

With at least a million people on the streets, an inflation of 15.5 percent, and the distinctly ‘insensitive’ army now being deployed, being ‘on the wrong side of history’ is probably exactly where the Brazilian government is.

Democracy at work....

[Rmpr 8,977]

WE WON, THE POPULATION MADE IT CLEAR THAT WE WOULD NOT TOLERATE MORE ABUSE AND THEY WILL REDUCE THE PRICE TO R$3,00!!!!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The Egyptian people have done it! They've managed to make an actual change, to make their voices heard. What a truly great nation. They give me hope in an otherwise hopeless Arab world :')

[dave30 728]

The Egyptian people have done it! They've managed to make an actual change, to make their voices heard. What a truly great nation. They give me hope in an otherwise hopeless Arab world :')

But aren't they a minority? more evidence that an active, educated middle class who are able to have a big enough strop can hold the rest of a country to ransom.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

But aren't they a minority? more evidence that an active, educated middle class who are able to have a big enough strop can hold the rest of a country to ransom.

A minority? There were over 20 million people in the streets today! Not denying that Morsi has a lot of supporters (no where near the number of his opponents, though) but it's not about numbers, anyone can get a few million 'blind' followers in a country like Egypt in the name of Allah and Islam. It's about the best interest of the Egyptian nation, the Egyptian society, and the entire Arab world. Because when Egypt leads, the rest of the Arab world is very likely to follow. What is important here is that today is the first nail in the coffin of the rule of Muslim extremist over the region. It is a nail in the coffin of civil war, not just in Egypt but the entire area and most importantly it is a triumph of freedom.

[Rmpr 8,977]

The Egyptian people have done it! They've managed to make an actual change, to make their voices heard. What a truly great nation. They give me hope in an otherwise hopeless Arab world :')

Sorry, but did they get exactly? A military dictatorship? Because I cant see how an army intervention can be a positive thing...

Are they showing power and getting where they want? Yes, but until now, the fight has just begun!

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Sorry, but did they get exactly? A military dictatorship? Because I cant see how an army intervention can be a positive thing...

Are they showing power and getting where they want? Yes, but until now, the fight has just begun!

You have to understand that in Egypt, the army has always had A LOT of power. No change can happen if they are against it. It's been this way for a very long time. But they are not a political party nor will any of the generals be part of any governments. The army stepped in because Morsi was inevitably leaving but he stubbornly decided that he won't leave peacefully. He has a few million supporters in Egypt and the army was just saving the country a lot of blood spill by removing Morsi.

The decisions on the plan of how to get out of this mess to a new elections was not made by the army but by the leaders of the political powers including some of Morsi's allies as well as the Muslim and Cristian religious leaders in the country. What the army did was incredibly smart and very responsible and has saved the country from a lot of trouble.

[Rmpr 8,977]

You have to understand that in Egypt, the army has always had A LOT of power. No change can happen if they are against it. It's been this way for a very long time. But they are not a political party nor will any of the generals be part of any governments. The army stepped in because Morsi was inevitably leaving but he stubbornly decided that he won't leave peacefully. He has a few million supporters in Egypt and the army was just saving the country a lot of blood spill by removing Morsi.

The decisions on the plan of how to get out of this mess to a new elections was not made by the army but by the leaders of the political powers including some of Morsi's allies as well as the Muslim and Cristian religious leaders in the country. What the army did was incredibly smart and very responsible and has saved the country from a lot of trouble.

There is what they say now, just wait until things settle a little. People are always very nice until you give them enough power!

Just like the army said to the people in Brazil back in 1964. The 'transition' that was supposed to last until the end of Janio Quadro's mandate. However, it all became a inhuman dictatorship that lasted until 1988!

If the army dont deliver what their generals are promising, people from Egypt will have lost precious lives, energy and time to change from Mubarak, to Morsi, to the Army.

I am not happy as you are, I am actually the opposite. It is very sad to see they are basically protesting for two years and they have got nothing in return (thus far). While Brazil had a much smaller one week riot and we already got huge improvements...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

There is what they say now, just wait until things settle a little. People are always very nice until you give them enough power!Just like the army said to the people in Brazil back in 1964. The 'transition' that was supposed to last until the end of Janio Quadro's mandate. However, it all became a inhuman dictatorship that lasted until 1988!If the army dont deliver what their generals are promising, people from Egypt will have lost precious lives, energy and time to change from Mubarak, to Morsi, to the Army.I am not happy as you are, I am actually the opposite. It is very sad to see they are basically protesting for two years and they have got nothing in return (thus far). While Brazil had a much smaller one week riot and we already got huge improvements...

Every political change in the modern history of Egypt has come with the direct help from the army. From And El Naser to El Sadat to Mubarak...even Mubarak was not removed until the army gave the word. So this by no means something new or special. The western media and political leaders are just making it out to be something absurd because it is a huge "Fuck You" to the US plans in the region.

I really get what you are saying mate but the Egyptian army is a different case. The army did not remove Morsi because they wanted to, they removed him because the majority of the people have spoken on the streets. They saved a lot of lives by preventing Morsi from starting civil war. Morsi was driving the country to its death. Too sleepy right now to explain how bad the situation was but I'm sure you'll find a lot of stuff online if you want.

[Liquidator 5,176]

Another day another group of children die of cancer because the government can't afford their treatment. Yep the same government that paid £10m for Thatcher's funeral. David Cameron really is bollocks.