Politics & Stuff

[Amblève. 4,995]

It's funny how most people so quickly believe that those who oppose them politically are the root of all evil. If you really think there are people who sit around planning the destruction of the world and torture of innocent people just for the heck of it then you really need to cut down on watching cartoons!

I doubt anyone with a half a brain believes that. Politicians are nothing more than a bunch of marionettes.

[Rmpr 8,977]

http://www.unep.org/documents.multilingual/default.asp?documentid=78&articleid=1163

I sure hope we will execute this...

I am much less optimistic, I really think we have an expire date and wont make the necessary changes in time, but I believe this is still 'far' from our generation...

[Mundaka 243]

Well we already passed the time set on that one, which was to be expected

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/9341645/The-Rio-Earth-Summit-is-it-destined-to-fail-the-world.html

but we are working towards it at least, and Obama said he regretted USA's ignorance towards this so who knows, comming years...

[CHOULO19 24,332]

So you dont think there's something like terrorism, nuclear treats from iran/n korea,..?

Funny how you mention Iran first when they don't even have a nuclear weapon yet while the countries with the most nuclear heads in the world, i.e Israel and the US don't make your list..

Anyway, my point is that no one starts a wars, kills people and creates nuclear weapons because he wants to be a super villain. Every country has been through its own circumstances in history that has created a certain mentality and belief that forces to act in they way it does atm. Ultimately everyone just wants power and what's in his best interest and each tries to get that in his own way.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I doubt anyone with a half a brain believes that. Politicians are nothing more than a bunch of marionettes.

You'd very surprised. Bush actually called some countries like Iran and North Korea as the "Axis of Evil" and many people still do. Similarly, there is a very popular slogan among some people in Lebanon and the Arab world that labels the US as the "Greatest Daemon".

[Mundaka 243]

Funny how you mention Iran first when they don't even have a nuclear weapon yet while the countries with the most nuclear heads in the world, i.e Israel and the US don't make your list..

Iran came to my mind first..

USA doesnt make it to my list because they develloped those in WW2 and already proven it to be responsible with them, there is no reason whatsover to start developing them now like Iran is doing (will continue with them i guess, since north korea is too obvious).

Anyway, my point is that no one starts a wars, kills people and creates nuclear weapons because he wants to be a super villain. Every country has been through its own circumstances in history that has created a certain mentality and belief that forces to act in they way it does atm. Ultimately everyone just wants power and what's in his best interest and each tries to get that in his own way.

That is exactly what made this a different time compared to 50 years ago... now not everyone wants power.

[Kieran. 6,317]

I'm pretty anti-American (even though I live and go to school here, I'm leaving when I get the chance). I once burned the American flag at my school lol.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I'm pretty anti-American (even though I live and go to school here, I'm leaving when I get the chance). I once burned the American flag at my school lol.

Come to Brazil, we are pretty anti-USA (because please, you aint no America). You wont suffer retaliation due to your nationality, we are very receptive and our way of life seems to fit you...

I am personally neutral on you, there are some things I hate and some I love.

[Backstreet09 499]

Funny how you mention Iran first when they don't even have a nuclear weapon yet while the countries with the most nuclear heads in the world, i.e Israel and the US don't make your list..

Anyway, my point is that no one starts a wars, kills people and creates nuclear weapons because he wants to be a super villain. Every country has been through its own circumstances in history that has created a certain mentality and belief that forces to act in they way it does atm. Ultimately everyone just wants power and what's in his best interest and each tries to get that in his own way.

Funny how Iran threatens Israel every second day , yet the USA and Israel gets all the noogies ?

Moreover , Iran already is working on a nuclear weapon and independent reports suggests they are pretty much finished on that . Which sorta means we are close to another war , and the blame would be totally on that dude Komeni and Ahmedinijad.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Iran came to my mind first.. USA doesnt make it to my list because they develloped those in WW2 and already proven it to be responsible with them, there is no reason whatsover to start developing them now like Iran is doing (will continue with them i guess, since north korea is too obvious).

Of course Iran came to your mind first, you've got a whole media that keeps telling you over and over again that Iran is the base of all evil. Which was exactly my first point.

One question, how is the only country in the whole world to ever use nuclear weapons on civilians "proven to be responsible with them"? And just for the record, every major military country still make nuclear weapons now. If they don't make nuclear weapons now, meaning they don't think they need them anymore, why don't they get rid of the ones they have?

That is exactly what made this a different time compared to 50 years ago... now not everyone wants power.

Of course everyone still wants power. There are as much wars now in the world as there has always been if not more. If anything the rise of capitalism in recent history has increase wars as a means of monopolizing natural resources, especially oil, and controlling markets. The will for power is what makes us human.

[Dion 2,476]

Of course Iran came to your mind first, you've got a whole media that keeps telling you over and over again that Iran is the base of all evil. Which was exactly my first point.

One question, how is the only country in the whole world to ever use nuclear weapons on civilians "proven to be responsible with them"? And just for the record, every major military country still make nuclear weapons now. If they don't make nuclear weapons now, meaning they don't think they need them anymore, why don't they get rid of the ones they have?

Of course everyone still wants power. There are as much wars now in the world as there has always been if not more. If anything the rise of capitalism in recent history has increase wars as a means of monopolizing natural resources, especially oil, and controlling markets. The will for power is what makes us human.

Agree with everything except for the last part. Not everyone has desire for power. I for one don't care much about power.

[Mundaka 243]

Of course Iran came to your mind first, you've got a whole media that keeps telling you over and over again that Iran is the base of all evil. Which was exactly my first point.

One question, how is the only country in the whole world to ever use nuclear weapons on civilians "proven to be responsible with them"? And just for the record, every major military country still make nuclear weapons now. If they don't make nuclear weapons now, meaning they don't think they need them anymore, why don't they get rid of the ones they have?

Not really, and it was prolly because its the biggest country of the lot? Dude why you focus on that... stay on topic...

That was during a war in a time where people had a total other mindset as they have now, hence why i made the "this aint 50 years ago comment", and i havent seen them using them after that. If they really wanted to they couldve bombed us all. That's a simple reason why not.

Of course everyone still wants power. There are as much wars now in the world as there has always been if not more. If anything the rise of capitalism in recent history has increase wars as a means of monopolizing natural resources, especially oil, and controlling markets. The will for power is what makes us human.

Kinda sad to think that really... and no if that was true we wouldnt exist anymore by now.

And will give an example, our country, Belgium, actually spends more in peacekeeping forces/projects than our army... how can that be possible following your logic?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Funny how Iran threatens Israel every second day , yet the USA and Israel gets all the noogies ?

You conveniently left out most of the story. Like the fact that Iran threatens Israel because they belive that it continues to occupy other peoples lands and kill people (either directly or indirectly) and force them out of their homes on a daily basis. I don't believe that Israel is evil, but to talk about Iran's invisible nuclear weapons when Israel and the US have piles of them is extremely hypocritical.

Moreover , Iran already is working on a nuclear weapon and independent reports suggests they are pretty much finished on that . Which sorta means we are close to another war , and the blame would be totally on that dude Komeni and Ahmedinijad.

The same reports that stated that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? And even if it is true, why would that make it Iran's fault? How does Israel have the right to protect itself by building nuclear weapons but Iran does not?

[Flemishblue 61]

Not really, and it was prolly because its the biggest country of the lot? Dude why you focus on that... stay on topic...

That was during a war in a time where people had a total other mindset as they have now, hence why i made the "this aint 50 years ago comment", and i havent seen them using them after that. If they really wanted to they couldve bombed us all. That's a simple reason why not.

Kinda sad to think that really... and no if that was true we wouldnt exist anymore by now.

And will give an example, our country, Belgium, actually spends more in peacekeeping forces/projects than our army... how can that be possible following your logic?

If I can play the devil's advocate.. we are surrounded by Nations with great military power, so we strive for diplomatic power... we have the Capital of Europe, The European Parlement, The Nato HQ, the European President.. : )

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Not really, and it was prolly because its the biggest country of the lot? Dude why you focus on that... stay on topic...

Biggest country of what lot? The lot of countries that are rumored to be aiming to get nuclear weapons? That is the reason why you put it on the top of the list of nuclear threats to the world? Ahead of countries that actually own nuclear weapons and lots of them and have actually used nuclear weapons before? That is very much on topic, imo. In fact, that is the whole point I was trying to make in the first post you quoted.

That was during a war in a time where people where in a total other mindset as they are now, hence why i made the "this aint 50 years ago comment", and i havent seen them using them after that. If they really wanted to they couldve bombed us all. That's a simple reason why not.

What's so different about the mindset? The opponents may have changed but we're still in a constant war except now major countries rarely use their own soldiers and prefer to arm and fund 3rd world groups to do their jobs. The US, and it's opponents for that matter, have committed many massacres that, may not have been done using nuclear weapons, but were just as criminal. They are also currently involved in countless wars all over the globe, from Mali to Sudan to Afghanistan to Iraq and Syria, that result in the death of hundreds each day. What world do you live in?

I'd also like to remind you that less than 30 years ago, the whole world was on a verge of nuclear war. So it's not as distant as you make it out to be.

Kinda sad to think that really... and no if that was true we wouldnt exist anymore by now.

Well, the world is a sad place. And how is it not true? Every country in the world naturally only seeks it's own best interest that is almost always at the cost of someone else. It's all about power and countries would do anything to get it like the US currently funding and arming extremist groups in Syria that ultimately aim to destroy the US along with every non-Muslim in the world just so the US would gain political power in the middle east. Like Asad is currently bombing and killing his own people so he can stay in power. Like the kings of the Arabian gulf give half of their oil and their political alliance to US companies so that they could stay in power...I can go on all day.