Politics & Stuff

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

3 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

OK  are there any funny ones ?

Err no.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Just now, Iggy Doonican said:

Err no.

Some psychiatrist was analysing old Trumpy and said he had a narcissistic disorder, and no sense of humour  -perhaps a trait in right wingers

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Just now, Fulham Broadway said:

Some psychiatrist was analysing old Trumpy and said he had a narcissistic disorder, and no sense of humour  -perhaps a trait in right wingers

Well they always seem to have the hump and never seem happy or content despite having lavish lifestyles.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Daily Mail has deleted that hackers' splash page, but here you can see it:

http://www.yeniakit.com.tr/haber/turkiye-dusmani-daily-maile-turk-soku-100-yillik-korku-pesinizi-birakmadi-275042.html

The comments of this Turkish site in English are:

The Spyhackerz Hacker Group, which organizes cyber attacks against the countries that are hostile to Turkey, has targeted the British newspaper The Daily Mail, which is the enemy of Turkey. Turkish hackers shut down access to the Daily Mail's site and obtained information about 500,000 members, along with all the information about the site.
The Spyhackerz Group warned Britain that this nation knew its secret enemy towards Turks and Muslims, and announced that all of the British sites were among the targets.

The Daily Mail site is obsolete.
One day it was down due to technical reasons - no hacking, and the error page it was taking us to was an ancient one, Explorer 1995.

[Fernando 6,585]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated… 

“Jerusalem is not a settlement.”He believes and is correct that the historical connection between the Jewish people and the city of Jerusalem, and the land of Israel cannot be denied. Netanyahu has insisted, “The Jewish people were building Jerusalem 3,000 years ago and the Jewish people are building Jerusalem today. Jerusalem is not a settlement. It is our capital.” 

Many people such as the Palestinians believe Netanyahu is profoundly wrong, and East Jerusalem does not belong to the Jews. 

In government, under the Obama administration, Secretary of State John Kerry, pushed for the “two-state” solution. They wanted to divide Israel and envisioned an independent “State of Palestine” alongside the “State of Israel,” west of the Jordan River. The boundary between the two states is still subject to dispute and negotiation, with Palestinian and Arab leadership insisting on the “1967 borders”, which is not accepted by Israel. 

The territory question is always whether the Palestinian territories can become an independent state and how to resolve years of violence that include the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, the partial Israeli blockade of Gaza and Palestinian violence against Israelis. 

Both sides claim Jerusalem as their capital and consider it a center of religious worship and cultural heritage. The two-state solution typically calls for dividing Jerusalem into an Israeli West and a Palestinian East. The problem is, Jewish, Muslim and Christian holy sites are on top of one another. It appears the conflict will never end. 
At Prophecy in the News, we have just received a fascinating new DVD titled:

Israel Indivisible: The Case For The Ancient Homeland

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From Abram and the Promise, to the fall of the Ottoman Empire, this extraordinary, one hour and 20 minute documentary film examines the historical, archaeological, legal and biblical evidence for the ancient and modern state of Israel. 

For those who love the Holy Land, but are confused by the turmoil we see in our daily news, you need to see this film. Find out if the Jewish people are truly the legitimate heirs of this land. 

It is one of the best documentaries on the history of Israel, from the ancient times to the present, ever made. It is remarkable what this nation has had to endure over the centuries.

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com

 

 

[kmk108 1,186]

12 hours ago, Spike said:

I didn't say that. I said political journalism. 

I'll give you Colbert as a satirist, not the others. They just play themselves and skew everything from their perspective, it gets kinda old when they are so biased.

Satire doesn't always involve playing a pantomime of something. They're all considered satirical news, because the main focus of the show is to get laughs.

You think it gets old because every show makes fun of your ideals. They are biased because they are appealing to a certain demographic of people, because they're job isn't primarily to spread news, it's to make jokes based on the news. Similar to what Chuolo said, the fact that their satirical nature isn't blatantly obvious says more about actual news sources.The audience of Comedy Central isn't conservatives. It's liberals. Comedy's audience is more liberal than conservative.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

On ‎05‎/‎02‎/‎2017 at 2:05 PM, CHOULO19 said:

You said that everything is up for debate.

-I said No, equal civil and human rights for everyone are not debatable. Meaning that even if a majority think that a group of people should have less rights than others the state cannot take away those people's rights.

Sorry for the wait;

Civil Rights and Human rights, you'd think were not debateable. However, I bet Myanmar if you approached their govt  would say they have human rights, yet clearly they don't. Maybe they do, perhaps the notion of human rights is subjective ? If you went to an American in 1950s Alabama they'd swear they have human rights. In this country both Labour and Tory bang on about how they adhere to the HRA. Yet, by the same token they pass the Snoopers Charter whereby all your texts, e mails, phone calls can be examined by lots of different organisations.

If we believe in democracy, we have to recognise that freedom must be defended in the democratic arena. The kind of freedom we should strive for cannot be handed down from on high by a judge in the High Court or the European Court of Human Rights. It has to be won through the democratic process. ie debated. And on a regular basis.

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1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Sorry for the wait;

Civil Rights and Human rights, you'd think were not debateable. However, I bet Myanmar if you approached their govt  would say they have human rights, yet clearly they don't. Maybe they do, perhaps the notion of human rights is subjective ? If you went to an American in 1950s Alabama they'd swear they have human rights. In this country both Labour and Tory bang on about how they adhere to the HRA. Yet, by the same token they pass the Snoopers Charter whereby all your texts, e mails, phone calls can be examined by lots of different organisations.

If we believe in democracy, we have to recognise that freedom must be defended in the democratic arena. The kind of freedom we should strive for cannot be handed down from on high by a judge in the High Court or the European Court of Human Rights. It has to be won through the democratic process. ie debated. And on a regular basis.

Don't disagree with much in there. Of course human and civil rights are not a constant, but they're not completely subjective either. Rights are a constant battle ground, but that is exactly why we write them into constitutions and don't give politicians who 'bang on' about them the power to unilaterally take them away. All I'm saying is that women's voting rights, for example, should not be destroyable by a vote.

Also, historically, rights and freedoms are gained and defended in the democratic arenas but in the streets through protests and even riots mostly against the beliefs of the majorities and the powerful. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

58 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Don't disagree with much in there. Of course human and civil rights are not a constant, but they're not completely subjective either. Rights are a constant battle ground, but that is exactly why we write them into constitutions and don't give politicians who 'bang on' about them the power to unilaterally take them away. All I'm saying is that women's voting rights, for example, should not be destroyable by a vote.

Also, historically, rights and freedoms are gained and defended in the democratic arenas but in the streets through protests and even riots mostly against the beliefs of the majorities and the powerful. 

Which brings us full circle to the original premise of no platforming of fascist/people with distasteful views. People that on the face of it would take away 'rights'. Banning such people, or worse imploring the State to do it empowers the state be it Mynamar, US, North Korea or UKThe state takes that as a green light to say 'We know what's best for you'. Very Orwellian. I have always believed such people should be challenged and argued. If you take for example the banned David Irving, he himself has admitted that since he was banned, he has had thousands of, mainly teenagers, reading his books and viewpoints on youtube. If he were platformed on Question Time or whatever, he would be destroyed, just as Nick Griffin was, and disappear into obscurity.

Your last bit about riots and civil disobedience is true. The working class get what they fight for. It will never be given. However, it has also been proven the most advances in terms of 'rights' for ordinary people in the UK have come about through reform, That's not to say a good tear up like the poll tax riots don't have their place.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

PRESIDENT Trump has demanded that a Super Double Caps Lock be created to better convey the force of his feelings on Twitter. 

Following the US appeal court’s refusal to lift his Muslim ban, Trump believes that computer keyboards need a new key to represent how emphatic and powerful his words are.

A White House spokesman said: “When the president typed ‘SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!’ it was commanding, impressive and resolute.

“But unfortunately YouTube commenters calling pop videos ‘THE GAYMOST’ have lessened the impact of capital letters, meaning the tweet came across as impotent rage from a bewildered adult baby.

“Funding of $6.5 billion will create a Super Double Caps Lock key, reserved exclusively for presidential use, which will fully communicate the authority and import of President Trump’s statesmanlike tweets.

“The trial is set for October this year, when he will leave the world in awe with a series of epochal tweets about his daughter’s shoe line and a fabric softener commercial he feels is disrespecting him.”

Joe Turner of Kansas City said: “Has he tried using a whole bunch of exclamation marks? That always makes everyone take me seriously.”

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22 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

PRESIDENT Trump has demanded that a Super Double Caps Lock be created to better convey the force of his feelings on Twitter. 

Following the US appeal court’s refusal to lift his Muslim ban, Trump believes that computer keyboards need a new key to represent how emphatic and powerful his words are.

A White House spokesman said: “When the president typed ‘SEE YOU IN COURT, THE SECURITY OF OUR NATION IS AT STAKE!’ it was commanding, impressive and resolute.

“But unfortunately YouTube commenters calling pop videos ‘THE GAYMOST’ have lessened the impact of capital letters, meaning the tweet came across as impotent rage from a bewildered adult baby.

“Funding of $6.5 billion will create a Super Double Caps Lock key, reserved exclusively for presidential use, which will fully communicate the authority and import of President Trump’s statesmanlike tweets.

“The trial is set for October this year, when he will leave the world in awe with a series of epochal tweets about his daughter’s shoe line and a fabric softener commercial he feels is disrespecting him.”

Joe Turner of Kansas City said: “Has he tried using a whole bunch of exclamation marks? That always makes everyone take me seriously.”

For those that don't know, Big Joe Turner was a famous jazz shouter from Kansas City 

I love how he tweeted, "SEE YOU IN COURT". Isn't that what just shot down your ban?

[Spike 12,049]

18 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Are there any right wing comedians -apart fromTrump ?

 

15 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Some psychiatrist was analysing old Trumpy and said he had a narcissistic disorder, and no sense of humour  -perhaps a trait in right wingers

If we go by what right-wing actually is and not by the media caricature then near everyone is right. USA, England, Australia. I always found die-hard liberals far more condescending and self-righteous than conservatives. I've never been lectured by a conservative but the liberal always wants to scream why they are right whilst ignoring my personal reasons. They are always the type to say things like 'Oh you oppose abortion? I guess you hate women and their rights.' I live in the most red state in America and I'm still lectured like a child, where do these nutty liberals come from? I also have to say that the stupid Sunday morning abortion protests outside of clinics (a bunch ofold  fat women that love children) are pretty tame in comparison to the vitriol of seen from the left. 

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https://www.politicalcompass.org/

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/02/why-theres-no-conservative-jon-stewart/385480/

 

11 hours ago, kmk108 said:

Satire doesn't always involve playing a pantomime of something. They're all considered satirical news, because the main focus of the show is to get laughs.

You think it gets old because every show makes fun of your ideals. They are biased because they are appealing to a certain demographic of people, because they're job isn't primarily to spread news, it's to make jokes based on the news. Similar to what Chuolo said, the fact that their satirical nature isn't blatantly obvious says more about actual news sources.The audience of Comedy Central isn't conservatives. It's liberals. Comedy's audience is more liberal than conservative.

I don't think I'm particularly conservative. Everyone on here is incredibly left which makes me look conservative by comparison.

I love The Onion, because it goes both ways and never leaves a target untouched. For me, that is the only satirical news that is even worth consuming.

 

17 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Well you were talking about Frankie Boyle; I don't think anything he's ever done classifies as journalism. 

Neither did Stewart or does Colbert. If people choose to take their news from their shows instead of papers and news channels says more about the state of main stream media.

As for John Oliver, I'm not his biggest fan, but he still does better journalism (not great but still better) than the majority of actual journalists. 

None of Oliver, Stewart or Colbert would be as successful and popular if it weren't for the massive gap in the quality of actual journalism and news reporting that's begging to be filled.

I'm trying to find the damn source, but I did read once that John Stewart has always desperately wanted to be a journalist over a comedian and has been trying to wiggle his way into the media. I think that is where my bias comes from. Day after day, I'm reading the same lefty diatribe, the same lefty comedians attacking the same low-hanging fruit, it is old and most of the time I feel none of them have the self-awareness to lampoon the ridiculous facets of their own ideology.

No it isn't because the media is failing (which it is). The reason those shows are so popular is because they are easy to consume, fast-pace jokes for the stoned college students to watch. There is little to no nuance to these programs and that is why I detest them. It is the lowest common denominator, just like Family Guy and The Simpsons. 

If I want political satire I'll watch Dr Strangelove, Four Lions or The Life of Brian, not comedy faux-news.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

10 hours ago, kmk108 said:

For those that don't know, Big Joe Turner was a famous jazz shouter from Kansas City 

Cheers. didn't know about Big Joe.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/11/private-eye-flourishes-satires-new-golden-age-ridicule

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27 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Cheers. didn't know about Big Joe.

Course you do F B he played along side Pates. 

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11 hours ago, Spike said:

If we go by what right-wing actually is and not by the media caricature then near everyone is right.

Bit of a sweeping statement - it all depends what is considered right wing - there are different shades of all political persuasions -often right wing libertarians share much in common with anarchism-ie minimalist state intervention in peoples lives, and leave everything to the market.

11 hours ago, Spike said:

always found die-hard liberals far more condescending and self-righteous than conservatives. I've never been lectured by a conservative but the liberal always wants to scream why they are right whilst ignoring my personal reasons.

I don't know what it's like in the US now, but when I was there it really varied from State to State and City to City. 'Liberal' means something different in the UK as does 'pissed'. Perhaps when you're conversing with them they are looking at the bigger picture, people as a whole, rather than just your personal circumstances.

11 hours ago, Spike said:

(a bunch ofold  fat women that love children) are pretty tame in comparison to the vitriol of seen from the left. 

Whats wrong with 'old fat women that love children' ? Again the 'left' now to me just seems in the main as someone in the middle ground, not like leftists during the Cold War, but just someone with moderate views. Jesus if he was around nowadays would be called a lefty liberal snowflake immigrant.

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43 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Bit of a sweeping statement - it all depends what is considered right wing - there are different shades of all political persuasions -often right wing libertarians share much in common with anarchism-ie minimalist state intervention in peoples lives, and leave everything to the market.

I don't know what it's like in the US now, but when I was there it really varied from State to State and City to City. 'Liberal' means something different in the UK as does 'pissed'. Perhaps when you're conversing with them they are looking at the bigger picture, people as a whole, rather than just your personal circumstances.

Whats wrong with 'old fat women that love children' ? Again the 'left' now to me just seems in the main as someone in the middle ground, not like leftists during the Cold War, but just someone with moderate views. Jesus if he was around nowadays would be called a lefty liberal snowflake immigrant.

thats just the girly jesus we see portrayed in artwork and things. He was probably pretty alpha tbh

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Bit of a sweeping statement - it all depends what is considered right wing - there are different shades of all political persuasions -often right wing libertarians share much in common with anarchism-ie minimalist state intervention in peoples lives, and leave everything to the market.

I don't know what it's like in the US now, but when I was there it really varied from State to State and City to City. 'Liberal' means something different in the UK as does 'pissed'. Perhaps when you're conversing with them they are looking at the bigger picture, people as a whole, rather than just your personal circumstances.

Whats wrong with 'old fat women that love children' ? Again the 'left' now to me just seems in the main as someone in the middle ground, not like leftists during the Cold War, but just someone with moderate views. Jesus if he was around nowadays would be called a lefty liberal snowflake immigrant.

You can say half of it. Because yes he would welcome immigrants, homosexuals, adulteress, prostitute, thieves and all that. 

But nonetheless he was also a very intolerant person. For example take a look at this: 

⁶ Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. ² The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.

⁷ Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. ⁸ All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. ⁹ I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.^[a] They will come in and go out, and find pasture. ¹⁰ The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

¹¹ “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

 

Here Jesus says there is no other way but through him. Hence calling all other religions false. Very Intolerant thing to say, but that is who Jesus also was. 

P.S. Pharisees in that day was the religious class that was more focus looking good on the outside but nothing in the inside. Jesus challenges them to change this and condemns them if they keep the same lifestyle. In today modern society that would be someone saying that is a christian but his actions say otherwise. Like I go to Church on Sundays and be all good but then Monday to Friday I curse at people, have lusting thoughts on my heart, hate my brother, etc etc. Externally I'm all good when I go to Church on Sunday, but internally I'm filled of all wickedness and malice. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

Trump wouldn't let him in the US.

But if he managed to sneak in he'd feed New Yorks homeless with the loaves and fishes, and kick David Blaines ass with that turning water into wine shit. Hallelujah !

[Spike 12,049]

43 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Trump wouldn't let him in the US.

But if he managed to sneak in he'd feed New Yorks homeless with the loaves and fishes, and kick David Blaines ass with that turning water into wine shit. Hallelujah !

Trump didn't ban Israelis.

 

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Bit of a sweeping statement - it all depends what is considered right wing - there are different shades of all political persuasions -often right wing libertarians share much in common with anarchism-ie minimalist state intervention in peoples lives, and leave everything to the market.

I don't know what it's like in the US now, but when I was there it really varied from State to State and City to City. 'Liberal' means something different in the UK as does 'pissed'. Perhaps when you're conversing with them they are looking at the bigger picture, people as a whole, rather than just your personal circumstances.

Whats wrong with 'old fat women that love children' ? Again the 'left' now to me just seems in the main as someone in the middle ground, not like leftists during the Cold War, but just someone with moderate views. Jesus if he was around nowadays would be called a lefty liberal snowflake immigrant.

It's not a sweeping statement when it a fact that opinions can be categorised onto a graph. Democrats aren't left, they are just left of the Republicans. It isn't what is 'considered' at all, traditional left v right only takes into account economics, completely ignoring social issues. 

No, communism and socialism are becoming the new norm of what is left. The youth of America is embracing ideologies they don't understand. More than once I've had my opinion disregarded by a lefty because I'm foreign, that isn't moderate, it's hypocritical. They embrace immigration and diversity but reject and chastise (white men like me) with different ideas but at the same time they wouldn't dare do the same to a Muslim or a immigrant that wasn't white. I've even been told by lefties that only white people can be racist. This isn't moderate for me, it's complete insanity. Actual classical liberalism is closer to American conservatism than you realise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

There is nothing wrong with 'old fat women that love children' and I didn't say anything of the sort. In fact I actually complimented their civil nature in protest, especially when compared to a bunch of children that loot and destroy businesses because they are upset with the president.