Politics & Stuff

[Spike 12,049]

50 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about baby Tarzan here! Of course how you feel about your sexuality is dependent first and foremost on your community. We are not born with preconceived notions about sexuality, we're born with sexual instincts. Homosexuality is common in thousands of animal species. You don't see gay penguins having high suicide rates. That uncomfortable feeling about sexuality is a product of human society.

Hormone therapy has absolutely nothing to do with this pseudo-science. Transgender people undergo hormone therapy to change their appearance and body shape. If anything, hormone therapy is even further proof that sexuality and even gender identity CANNOT be changed with 'treatment'. 

Conversion 'therapy' is harmful. It has been proven conclusively to be ineffective and harmful. There is a major scientific consensus about that fact. I would advise you to read the finds of studies into conversion therapy or even the opinions of medical organizations of it. 

No need to be condescending. No, you cannot say that the uncomfortable feeling is 100% born of human society. You cannot compare a gay penguin to a gay human,  humans are a more complex than penguins. Not many animals even commit suicide, I don't think any intentionally do besides the carpenter ant.

In the book Sexual Fluidity the author nots dozens of homosexuals over a period of a decade that have engaged in heterosexual behaviour and even have even ended married with children. NO, human sexuality isn't set in stone, it isn't clearly defined and strictly doesn't fall into a convenient labels like you said. 

I do not agree that a child can be subjected to hormone treatment and I find it immoral to do so, just like I find gay conversion to be immoral (which for some reason you believe me to be an advocate of). A child isn't aware enough to actually understand the ramifications of transgenderism, nor can they possibly grasp the intricacies of human sexuality. Therapy to understand their situation is far more beneficial than hormone therapy. Because humans change, an eight year-old that wants to be a girl may not feel the same within a decade. 

That being said it is currently legal and a consenting adult is more than free to undergo conversion therapy, as America is a free nation and they have the sexual freedom to do so. It is not my right to tell them they cannot, I can suggest alternatives but I won't force anything on anyone.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

7 hours ago, Spike said:

No need to be condescending. No, you cannot say that the uncomfortable feeling is 100% born of human society. You cannot compare a gay penguin to a gay human,  humans are a more complex than penguins. Not many animals even commit suicide, I don't think any intentionally do besides the carpenter ant.

In the book Sexual Fluidity the author nots dozens of homosexuals over a period of a decade that have engaged in heterosexual behaviour and even have even ended married with children. NO, human sexuality isn't set in stone, it isn't clearly defined and strictly doesn't fall into a convenient labels like you said. 

I do not agree that a child can be subjected to hormone treatment and I find it immoral to do so, just like I find gay conversion to be immoral (which for some reason you believe me to be an advocate of). A child isn't aware enough to actually understand the ramifications of transgenderism, nor can they possibly grasp the intricacies of human sexuality. Therapy to understand their situation is far more beneficial than hormone therapy. Because humans change, an eight year-old that wants to be a girl may not feel the same within a decade. 

That being said it is currently legal and a consenting adult is more than free to undergo conversion therapy, as America is a free nation and they have the sexual freedom to do so. It is not my right to tell them they cannot, I can suggest alternatives but I won't force anything on anyone.

Sheesh, it was a joke.

This is off topic but many animals commit suicide including micro-organisms. Penguins commit suicide when they are depressed. They walk away from the sea alone into the ice-desert where they are bound to starve to death. Can't remember what animal (dolphin iirc) can actually will their self to die when they want to commit suicide.

Anyway, penguin suicide was mostly a joke but what I meant that even in animals with complex communities sexual orientation is never an issue. Only in human societies.

Of course human sexuality is fluid. That's scientifically proven. But even more scientifically certain is that no conversion therapy we have even tried has managed to affect it even hormone therapy, which was my point.

Hormone therapy for underage children is a whole different debate that has absolutely nothing to do with conversion therapy. Conversion therapy is proven to harm. If you're above 18 and you wish to harm yourself, you're free to do so. But underage children cannot give consent to be harmed. 

Up until last week it was legal in Lebanon to rape a woman as long as you marry her afterwards. Legal does not equal moral or right.

I don't know nearly enough about gender dysphoria to debate this but I trust/hope that decisions on hormone therapy are not take lightly. But on any the difference is that hormone therapy actually works and achieves its desired purpose.

 

[Captain Ahmed 528]

On 30/11/2016 at 4:42 PM, Fulham Broadway said:

Almost 1 in 10 fans would stop watching their team if a player said they were gay

A survey of 4000 football fans carried out for BBC Radio 4’s Afternoon Edition sheds light on the attitudes that persist within football.

82 percent of football fans said they would be comfortable with a gay player on a team, but 9% of football fans were uncomfortable.

The last taboo in football

Anyone here have an opinion on it ?

Robbie Rogers one of the disciples of Klinsmann.Declared openly his homosexuality in 2013.Many  persons can't stop talking about his sexuality and focus on the fact that he's a imposing left back

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

35 minutes ago, Captain Ahmed said:

Robbie Rogers one of the disciples of Klinsmann.Declared openly his homosexuality in 2013.Many  persons can't stop talking about his sexuality and focus on the fact that he's a imposing left back

That's it though isn't it - the more that come out the more normal it would seem.

I'm old enough to remember when there were two black players in the top English league

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

1 hour ago, CHOULO19 said:

 

Up until last week it was legal in Lebanon to rape a woman as long as you marry her afterwards.

 

What the  fuck ? Sounds like some medieval hell hole

[kmk108 1,186]

9 hours ago, Spike said:

No need to be condescending. No, you cannot say that the uncomfortable feeling is 100% born of human society. You cannot compare a gay penguin to a gay human,  humans are a more complex than penguins. Not many animals even commit suicide, I don't think any intentionally do besides the carpenter ant.

In the book Sexual Fluidity the author nots dozens of homosexuals over a period of a decade that have engaged in heterosexual behaviour and even have even ended married with children. NO, human sexuality isn't set in stone, it isn't clearly defined and strictly doesn't fall into a convenient labels like you said. 

I do not agree that a child can be subjected to hormone treatment and I find it immoral to do so, just like I find gay conversion to be immoral (which for some reason you believe me to be an advocate of). A child isn't aware enough to actually understand the ramifications of transgenderism, nor can they possibly grasp the intricacies of human sexuality. Therapy to understand their situation is far more beneficial than hormone therapy. Because humans change, an eight year-old that wants to be a girl may not feel the same within a decade. 

That being said it is currently legal and a consenting adult is more than free to undergo conversion therapy, as America is a free nation and they have the sexual freedom to do so. It is not my right to tell them they cannot, I can suggest alternatives but I won't force anything on anyone.

My sister is one. She was in a long-term lesbian relationship, but now is married to a man and has a child. For me, that doesn't say that she was lesbian and now is straight. It tells me that she's bisexual. She didn't convert, she is just attracted to someone regardless of the sex of the person.

[Fernando 6,585]

Was talking to some friend about Israel bombing Damascus because of chemical weapons who's well verses in international stuff. 

He mentioned how in Syria Saddam Hussein hid their weapon of mass destruction before USA got to Iraq. Not only that, many other nations have hidden weapons in that country. 

So after seeing that Israel strike a certain target in Damascus to stop Hamas from getting weapons, this things now makes sense....I thought that it was all a conspiracy theory but it seems it was for real. 

Now if Damascus got a lot of weapons underground, something will happen. Either enemies come and get it all or as my friend mentioned Israel can put down a lot of dirty bombs in Damascus thus making that whole area virtually inhabitable for a thousand years. 

I got shock at this because the bible mentioned how Damascus will cease to be a city, a ruinous heap. So if this events plays out, another bible prophecy will be fulfilled. But sadly a lot of people will die.....So if this is coming to pass as prophesied in the bible, people need to move before this happens. 

[kmk108 1,186]

24 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Was talking to some friend about Israel bombing Damascus because of chemical weapons who's well verses in international stuff. 

He mentioned how in Syria Saddam Hussein hid their weapon of mass destruction before USA got to Iraq. Not only that, many other nations have hidden weapons in that country. 

So after seeing that Israel strike a certain target in Damascus to stop Hamas from getting weapons, this things now makes sense....I thought that it was all a conspiracy theory but it seems it was for real. 

Now if Damascus got a lot of weapons underground, something will happen. Either enemies come and get it all or as my friend mentioned Israel can put down a lot of dirty bombs in Damascus thus making that whole area virtually inhabitable for a thousand years. 

I got shock at this because the bible mentioned how Damascus will cease to be a city, a ruinous heap. So if this events plays out, another bible prophecy will be fulfilled. But sadly a lot of people will die.....So if this is coming to pass as prophesied in the bible, people need to move before this happens. 

Either I've been under a rock the last few days or the American media is not reporting on this at all.

[Fernando 6,585]

9 minutes ago, kmk108 said:

Either I've been under a rock the last few days or the American media is not reporting on this at all.

Liberman: Israel stopped Hezbollah from getting chemical weapons

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/221465

 

Lieberman confirms Israel’s strike in Syria thwarted chemical weapons transfer to Hezbollah

http://beholdisrael.org/news-israel/news/lieberman-confirms-israel’s-strike-syria-thwarted-chemical-weapons-transfer

 

 

This guy is well versed in such things and gave an update on this a couple of days ago. Of course like me he's into old school prophecy. Some people believe in Nostradamus, and i have no problem, but we are looking at the prophecy in the bible to see if it does comes true. 

 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

8 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

What the  fuck ? Sounds like some medieval hell hole

Try 20th century France.

Our constitution was written by the French when they colonized us after the first world war based on their own constitution at the time and it has all sorts of weird laws that no one has bothered removing since.

This one is originally based on the bible so the Church here has been fighting for some time against having it removed even though the cases where it has been actually used are very rare.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

7 hours ago, kmk108 said:

Either I've been under a rock the last few days or the American media is not reporting on this at all.

No, no. You're fine. It's just that Fernando gets his news from a parallel dream universe of the extreme right.

The strike actually targeted medium range missiles that were being delivered from Iran on their way to Hezbollah. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,311]

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Try 20th century France.

Our constitution was written by the French when they colonized us after the first world war based on their own constitution at the time and it has all sorts of weird laws that no one has bothered removing since.

This one is originally based on the bible so the Church here has been fighting for some time against having it removed even though the cases where it has been actually used are very rare.

Ah yes just reading up on it now.

Islamic 'scholars' have tried to keep the ridiculous laws including rape being legal in marriage and 'honor' killings

As far as domestic violence, the law offers no protection to women.

"If a woman in Lebanon is beaten or humiliated at home, there is nothing she can legally do about it,"

"The husband has to break her neck, arm or leg, for her to be able to claim injury or damage, as you would for any car accident,"

Many women who do turn to the police become the object of ridicule by officers who pat them on the cheek and suggest they deal with their problems "at home".

Rana Moussaoui -Sociologist

[lucio 5,418]

At least 25 were killed yesterday in Cairo, terror attack at cathedral.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

1 hour ago, lucio said:

At least 25 were killed yesterday in Cairo, terror attack at cathedral.

Some violent pigs attacked Christians who were peacefully worshipping in church for no reason..... The amount of barbaric people in this 21st century is unreal 

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

Some violent pigs attacked Christians who were peacefully worshipping in church for no reason..... The amount of barbaric people in this 21st century is unreal 

probably calculated, not just random.  it was an important festival yesterday