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[kellzfresh 7,229]

Two police officers stabbed in France,  with the guy threatening that there will be chaos in the euro games

[kmk108 1,186]

On 6/13/2016 at 6:06 AM, Fernando said:

I think even if you ban guns, will it not be able to be bought in the black market? 

It's like drugs, it's illegal but you can't get rid of it. 

So those are the only solution, ban all guns and be faced with a black market or just have everyone a gun to defend themselves. Because maybe if everyone at the club had a gun you might have had less dead.... Or maybe more we don't know. But any option you take it won't be as easy as people paint it to be. 

I personally would like to see how it would go if everyone had a gun..... 

It would go really, really bad. Not everyone is willing and able to effectively use a gun, and if everyone had a gun in that nightclub, it could have turned out worse just as easily as better. You're in a confined space with low lighting crammed full of people who have been drinking and all have loaded weapons. That seems like a disaster to me. The shooter opens fire, a couple people see it and shoot at him and then others don't know who the original shooter is or if there's still a threat.

You may not be able to get rid of all guns, but you're making it insanely hard for people to get guns. If it's harder to get a gun, then they may reconsider their method or even not carry out the plan in the first place.

[Spike 12,049]

Despite all the terrible events around the world I still find time to engage in schadenfreude for those that were a part of the Bernie Sanders cult. Not his supporters but those that hinged their entire life on his candidacy, even going so far as to tattoo the man's face on their bodies. 

[kmk108 1,186]

1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

Two police officers stabbed in France,  with the guy threatening that there will be chaos in the euro games

The labor protests are getting out of hand as well aren't they? ESPN had to abandon their Euros set.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

32 minutes ago, kmk108 said:

The labor protests are getting out of hand as well aren't they? ESPN had to abandon their Euros set.

Wow, that's bad??

What are the labor really demanding for anyways, salary increase ???

[kmk108 1,186]

31 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Wow, that's bad??

What are the labor really demanding for anyways, salary increase ???

I don't know much, but from what I've read, firing would be easier for employers and work hour limits would be relaxed, making overtime pay potentially less.

[Fernando 6,585]

4 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

No, sorry, but you don't get to pretend that you care about LGBT people when it fits your bigoted agenda and then discriminate against them for the rest of the year. I'm not biting...

You think he got the violence from the religion? Ha! There are LITERALLY more than a mass shooting PER DAY on average in the US, mainly because of fanatics like you who refuse to accept gun control laws just so the NRA can keep making billions in profit. 

So, while you're playing your "my made up mythical bullshit is better than yours" game, explain to me how it was 'loving' of US Evangelical Christians to try to force a law onto Uganda making the death penalty the punishment for homosexuality there. Go on.. 

That still don't create terrorism as you stated because of USA Being in the middle east..... 

[Fulham Broadway 17,305]

4 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

theNo, sorry, but you don't get to pretend that you care about LGBT people when it fits your bigoted agenda and then discriminate against them for the rest of the year. I'm not biting...

You think he got the violence from the religion? Ha! There are LITERALLY more than a mass shooting PER DAY on average in the US, mainly because of fanatics like you who refuse to accept gun control laws just so the NRA can keep making billions in profit. 

So, while you're playing your "my made up mythical bullshit is better than yours" game, explain to me how it was 'loving' of US Evangelical Christians to try to force a law onto Uganda making the death penalty the punishment for homosexuality there. Go on.. 

'Christian' governor Dan Patrick in response to the Orlando murders with reference to homosexuality 'a man reaps what he sows'.

Jesus. I suppose these medieval religions have a lot in common- totally out of touch with the 21st century.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

8 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

'Christian' governor Dan Patrick in response to the Orlando murders with reference to homosexuality 'a man reaps what he sows'.

Jesus. I suppose these medieval religions have a lot in common- totally out of touch with the 21st century.

You can say that again.

“The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die,” Pastor Roger Jimenez told his Sacramento church Sunday morning, just hours after 49 people were killed in Orlando. “I’m kind of upset he didn’t finish the job — because these people are predators.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-pastor-celebrates-massacre-orlando-gay-club-article-1.2673335 

[Fernando 6,585]

24 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

'Christian' governor Dan Patrick in response to the Orlando murders with reference to homosexuality 'a man reaps what he sows'.

Jesus. I suppose these medieval religions have a lot in common- totally out of touch with the 21st century.

While I don't agree with that statement in the context that is being use, this a lone does not create terrorism.

Again if it was the cause of America, then you have to be consistent and use it for every example.

Take example wounded knee massacre, that was one of the biggest terror act in america because of "land".

This did not drive American Indians to world terrorism of innocent victims.

So if your going to use the USA card of creating terrorism then you have to be consistent. It has to happend all over history.

Now I do agree that no one should be buying automatic weapons. There is no need for that. A regular gun is okay but not automatic weapon.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

55 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

'Christian' governor Dan Patrick in response to the Orlando murders with reference to homosexuality 'a man reaps what he sows'.

Jesus. I suppose these medieval religions have a lot in common- totally out of touch with the 21st century.

He said that, he talked about it but he didn’t carry a gun and massacre them because he doesn't like them, he leaves it to God. But on the other side, they carry out the massacre of people in USA, France, Belgium, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Libya by themselves after pledging allegiance to ISIS or Taliban. Big difference.  

A lot of Muslims are good people, I have lots of friends but I wish there was a way that we can get people to interpret the Koran in a way that preaches peace, so that ISIS or one crazy Imam cannot push people to violence and use God or USA persecution as the excuse. 

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28 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

he didn’t carry a gun and massacre them because he doesn't like them, he leaves it to God.

 

With all due respect, do you see how mental that sounds ??

[CHOULO19 24,332]

12 minutes ago, Fernando said:

While I don't agree with that statement in the context that is being use, this a lone does not create terrorism.

Again if it was the cause of America, then you have to be consistent and use it for every example.

Take example wounded knee massacre, that was one of the biggest terror act in america because of "land".

This did not drive American Indians to world terrorism of innocent victims.

So if your going to use the USA card of creating terrorism then you have to be consistent. It has to happend all over history.

Now I do agree that no one should be buying automatic weapons. There is no need for that. A regular gun is okay but not automatic weapon.

No, of course it doesn't have to consistent. The effects of imperialist crimes vary a lot and are affected by countless factors. That doesn't relieve the perpetrators of the crimes of the responsibility for the effects of their actions. 

What an incredibly simplistic way of thinking it would be to suggest otherwise! 

In the case of the native Americans, they were kind of affected by the fact that they almost fucking wiped out by genocidal maniacs from Europe who committed heinous crimes in the names of kings and churches. 

And shouldn't YOU be consistent? You say the problem is the religion, then how come that the overwhelming majority of the 1.6 Muslims on earth are peaceful? 

 

4 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

He said that, he talked about it but he didn’t carry a gun and massacre them because he doesn't like them, he leaves it to God. But on the other side, they carry out the massacre of people in USA, France, Belgium, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Libya by themselves after pledging allegiance to ISIS or Taliban. Big difference.  

Are you imply that God was acting through Omar Mateen? But then, wouldn't you be opposing the will of God by criticizing the massacre and its perpetrator?!

No, sorry, inciting violence is just as bad as carrying it out. 

Modern radical jihadism is first and foremost an anti-imperialist movement. Islam is just a tool; an incredibly powerful tool, but just a tool. It can be replaced by any other ideology, be it nationalism, communism, radical left...etc. 

In most of the middle east, the first post WW2 anti-imperialist movements were secular pan-Arabist and nationalist, the first 'terrorists' of the middle east. They were basically destroyed by the US with the help of....radical religious groups(not just Islamic, but Christian as well); an old trick that was frequently used by Britain and France when they believed they owned the region. 

And now you have 'radical Islam' as Trump wants to call it as if that changes any facts, and it's many folds more extremist and dangerous and keeps getting more with every intervention, invasion and bombing campaign. 

Until people start understanding those facts and forcing their governments to act accordingly, you can scream at the problem all you like and blame 'Islam' as if Islam is one easily defined thing with clear effects, but the problem is not going to go away. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,305]

43 minutes ago, Fernando said:

While I don't agree with that statement in the context that is being use, this a lone does not create terrorism.

Again if it was the cause of America, then you have to be consistent and use it for every example.

Take example wounded knee massacre, that was one of the biggest terror act in america because of "land".

This did not drive American Indians to world terrorism of innocent victims.

So if your going to use the USA card of creating terrorism then you have to be consistent. It has to happend all over history.

Now I do agree that no one should be buying automatic weapons. There is no need for that. A regular gun is okay but not automatic weapon.

No you misunderstand -he is saying if you love someone of the same sex, 'you reap what you sow' -you get killed. Just as the same nutcases said AIDS was Gods revenge. Islam and Christianity are incompatible with modern life,

It turns out now the culprit was homosexual and to my mind couldn't reconcile his feelings towards other men with the ramblings of the Quran.

Many gay serial killers cant cope with the dichotomy. Much of the buggery in the catholic church, the rape of boys, is because homosexuality is pushed underground. Those people died in Pulse nightclub because of  religions stupid denial of homosexuality. Religion is the problem.

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13 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

With all due respect, do you see how mental that sounds ??

Let me put it this way. If I don't like someone, I can insult him, I can curse him but under no circumstance I'm I allowed to kill him just because I don't like him. So no matter what that guy says, he doesn't tell anyone to go and kill somebody, and he doesn't commit murder like Omar did.  His actions are completely different from the massacre that Omar did so it's wrong to put them in the same boat like they're similar.