TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I heard his tackels arnet bad, from someone who watched every game of him this season. For me he seems like a potential for the pivot, question is if he can get the job right away or we should buy someone.I read (on WAGNH) that De Bruyne's tackle pct% is around 25% which is atrocious. Whoscored.com lists his tackling as "very weak". That's worse than Mata's rating. He does have potential for the pivot but can't see Chelsea handing him an uncontested starting job. teignman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teignman 441 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I read (on WAGNH) that De Bruyne's tackle pct% is around 25% which is atrocious. Whoscored.com lists his tackling as "very weak". That's worse than Mata's rating. He does have potential for the pivot but can't see Chelsea handing him an uncontested starting job. As much as we all desperately want someone for the pivot, KDB is definitely not ready for that task (at least right now), for the reasons you mentioned. He's got a way to go before he can effectively play that deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 imo he is the most natural winger we have ....he certainly is the best crosser ... now we have Ba and hopefully soon another striker orLukaku ..I would use him on the right wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Gino 377 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 So DeBruyne is a weak tackler, as is Josh McEachran and Oscar will track back but not known for tackling either. However it's not a requirement of a deep lying playmaker, just be great at positioning to intercept passes and harass. For me Josh has the best vision and passing accuracy of them all and should be in that first team next season. There will be room for all three once a handful of players are let go next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royg 96 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 He wont be a pivot player for now but he would be if he plays there consistently. As of now he would be the best to complete our TRIO behind our Striker. We dont need Isco if we have KDB next season. Oscar should play the deep-lying playmaker (which he is sometimes played there by the manager) next season and KDB to fill in the supporting TRIO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SykikJV 146 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 So DeBruyne is a weak tackler, as is Josh McEachran and Oscar will track back but not known for tackling either. However it's not a requirement of a deep lying playmaker, just be great at positioning to intercept passes and harass. For me Josh has the best vision and passing accuracy of them all and should be in that first team next season. There will be room for all three once a handful of players are let go next season. You can't draw conclusions like that from some internet statistics-page. He's played his best games in the CM position in a team that's dominant over their opponents. With all respect to Josh, i doubt that he has better vision/passing then De Bruyne at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Josh is nowhere near KDB's level right now. At the moment, I'd say KDB is better than Oscar too. KDB will be fine, because he's a player who can still influence a match even when his team and players around him are playing bad which we have't seen from even our own attacking mids Hazard, Mata and Oscar. He's a strong character.I also don't think he'll be right for the double pivot. His passing is way too aggressive, his work rate and positioning is very good but he can't tackle and fouls way too much. Plus you loose so many of his qualities if you push him to the pivot.He should be a CM in a 4-3-3 or any one of the attacking mids in the 4-2-3-1, he's versatile and good enough to play any 3 of those positions. He'll be a squad player next season for sure. Very excited to see him, I love his play style, so effortless, he makes the game look easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadavTKL 1,787 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 I read (on WAGNH) that De Bruyne's tackle pct% is around 25% which is atrocious. Whoscored.com lists his tackling as "very weak". That's worse than Mata's rating. He does have potential for the pivot but can't see Chelsea handing him an uncontested starting job. Sorry but its pretty ridicilous that you're saying stuff like that based on stats and what some site listed him. I dont know myself if those sites are wrong because i havent seen him enough, but im definitely wont judge him by stats. For now i will listen more to the guy who saw him every game, but anyway i'll watch him more from now and see myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufassir08 2,400 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 imo he is the most natural winger we have ....he certainly is the best crosser ... now we have Ba and hopefully soon another striker orLukaku ..I would use him on the right wingAgreed,His crossing is just wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ja1 1,166 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 He would be a perfect winger if he had acceleration.You guys do know it is not just about tackling? I think some of you expect him to be rushing around slide tackling players, an interception is just as good, and effective and something that KDB with his reading of the game and awareness could do well. As I said before he also presses very well, so at least the other player in possession can not just skip past him. He could take adapting to a new role - yes - but if we show patience I believe he could really grow into a great DLP. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted January 21, 2013 Share Posted January 21, 2013 Sorry but its pretty ridicilous that you're saying stuff like that based on stats and what some site listed him. I dont know myself if those sites are wrong because i havent seen him enough, but im definitely wont judge him by stats. For now i will listen more to the guy who saw him every game, but anyway i'll watch him more from now and see myself.It's not ridiculous. Someone who has a 25% success rate in tackling IS a very bad tackler. There are plenty of stats that don't tell the whole story, but plenty of them also tell you a lot. If someone has a 60% passing rate, they're not a good passer. If someone has 4 goals on 90 shots, they're a poor finisher. One of the positives of stats is that they can bypass subjectivity. It is not possible to have a 25% tackle success rate and not be a very bad tackler. That said, that is right now. Tackling is something can a player can improve on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 It's not ridiculous. Someone who has a 25% success rate in tackling IS a very bad tackler. There are plenty of stats that don't tell the whole story, but plenty of them also tell you a lot. If someone has a 60% passing rate, they're not a good passer. If someone has 4 goals on 90 shots, they're a poor finisher. One of the positives of stats is that they can bypass subjectivity. It is not possible to have a 25% tackle success rate and not be a very bad tackler. That said, that is right now. Tackling is something can a player can improve on. His tackle success rate is 76%, not 25. Think you might have confused it with his unsuccessful rate, which is 24%. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 His tackle success rate is 76%, not 25. Think you might have confused it with his unsuccessful rate, which is 24%.I took it from WAGNH. "He's a terrible tackler at this point, committing fouls or coming up empty on over 3/4 of his attempts to dispossess an opponent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDY 1,290 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I took it from WAGNH. "He's a terrible tackler at this point, committing fouls or coming up empty on over 3/4 of his attempts to dispossess an opponent." That is pretty wrong then. They are confusing his tackling ability with his concentration when faced with an opponent. His tackling is pretty consistent, but he often gets bypassed too easily. Two different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 That is pretty wrong then. They are confusing his tackling ability with his concentration when faced with an opponent. His tackling is pretty consistent, but he often gets bypassed too easily. Two different things.Then why does whoscored (which is based entirely on statistics) rate his tackling as "very weak"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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