Kevin de Bruyne

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Mata, Lukaku, Salah, Schurlle, KDB - non of them is playing at a big club playing like a big player.

Haha, love it how you mention KDB in the same sentence as Salah, Lukaku ... Undisputedly one of the main stars of European football right now. Try to keep up! If you only ever look at Chelsea games and only ever listen to what Mou says, please don't debate on non Chelsea players.

[LAM09 6,744]

Do me a favour, watch some De Bruyne games. And I don't mean highlights, but actual full 90 minute matches. With Wolfsburg or Belgium, doesn't matter. There's two coming up with Belgium on Saturday & Tuesday (against poor opponents I have to admit), so there's your chance. Afterwards tell me if you still think De Bruyne is a lazy player, or perhaps it was just Mourinho & his herd of sheep who made you believe that?

If you can't bother (probably won't), just look at his running/mileage stats. Insane numbers. The fact that he's the stand out player in the most physical of all competitions (Bundesliga), tells you all you need to know.

And hey, if you won't take my word for it: http://www.squawka.com/news/eden-hazard-believes-chelsea-would-be-stronger-with-kevin-de-bruyne/340032

If even Hazard says it ... So who's team you in, Mourinho's or Hazard's?

I have watched FULL matches. Please don't make baseless assumptions. He wasn't sold for the sake of it!

I never said he's lazy, but he doesn't put a shift in anywhere like Willian. I ain't of it, but Mourinho clearly is.

[LAM09 6,744]

Look where's Oscar standing today, I mean that guy is having it from the fans left, right and center and he was the guy suppose to replace Mata as no.10 ... why because he good at defending as well. The bottom line is that we didnt give him much chance at Chelsea ... the guy could had been at Dortmund last summer but he stayed because Jose assured him and then he only ended up on the bench ...

Someone mentioned Maybe he didnt fit the system ... But Mata and De Bruyne are type of players who would have worked their sock off to fit into any system ...

I'm in agreement. Mata and De Bruyne might have gone for good money, but they shouldn't have been sold IMO. They are both better than our current AMF options.

Having said that, there's a reason why Mourinho keeps playing Oscar and Willan over everyone else.

[Fernando 6,454]

I think mentally KDB wasnt ready to be at Chelsea and especially under a demanding manager like Jose, i believe he didnt want or couldnt work that much for Jose so thats why he was sold.

As a Chelsea fan i would only regret his departure when he'll play for a big club like us and succeed (and would commit to hard and demanding work). * Although i'll admit he's doing superbly well in Wolfsburg, more than i expected.

Mourinho haters in this forum can cry all they want, till now zero of his non-wanted players is doing that - Mata, Lukaku, Salah, Schurlle, KDB - non of them is playing at a big club playing like a big player. I know most of them are still young but my point is that blaming Jose so much is ridiculous when those players are far away from proving their point. And i think the main reason for this is that members here cant understand the big difference between playing for Chelsea and playing for Everton, Wolfsburg and Fiorentina. And another thing, the fact that from Chelsea they went to those clubs is another fact that proves Jose's point.

Yeah we should see how he does in a big club as well.

Because as of late top performers in Germany besides Bayern tend to do bad outside.

I mean wasn't every player that left Dortmund a total flop?

So in that sense I agree, is best to wait and see how he handles in a bigger club with different demands and style.

[Oscar 441]

Haha, love it how you mention KDB in the same sentence as Salah, Lukaku ... Undisputedly one of the main stars of European football right now. Try to keep up! If you only ever look at Chelsea games and only ever listen to what Mou says, please don't debate on non Chelsea players.

Would KDB and hazard work effectively under Jose? meaning would we see 2014-15 hazard and 2015 KDB on the same team?

I think that is the most important question. A lot of players are held back due to tactics or personal reasons, which might be the case for KDB, however, in this situation I think that is the question you have to look at.

KDB to Munich is complete bs, unless Pep is gone.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

I mean wasn't every player that left Dortmund a total flop?

What ? You mean from last great Dortmund team ?

They sold 4 important players from that team : Sahin, Kagawa, Goetze and Lewandowski.

Goetze and Lewandowski are doing fine. No slump in form but usual self most of the time.

Sahin was injured when Real bought him. He was injured and he's done his ligament if I remember correctly. Then he played here and there but picked up injury now and then. It was also difficult for him because there was no position for him in Real, under Mourinho Khedira had cemented place and as you know Mourinho doesn't rotate.

So basically that leaves us with Kagawa. That's a mystery for me but he was a flop, yeah.

I don't count players like Barrios, Perisic, Schieber and all because they weren't stars of Dortmund rather squad players.

So your statement is incorrect.

[coolhead23 1,146]

I'm in agreement. Mata and De Bruyne might have gone for good money, but they shouldn't have been sold IMO. They are both better than our current AMF options.

Having said that, there's a reason why Mourinho keeps playing Oscar and Willan over everyone else.

Well ... Million dollar question! Have no response to that one, mate ...

I like Oscar, there are very few AMC with such versatility but then Jose could easily had someone like KDB/Mata for rotation. It not only could have provided us with rotation but a different dynamic when we play with teams who will park. As we stand with Oscar not doing well, we will go into the market for a ready player by spending money.

[LAM09 6,744]

Well ... Million dollar question! Have no response to that one, mate ...

I like Oscar, there are very few AMC with such versatility but then Jose could easily had someone like KDB/Mata for rotation. It not only could have provided us with rotation but a different dynamic when we play with teams who will park. As we stand with Oscar not doing well, we will go into the market for a ready player by spending money.

I hope that's the case.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

KDB to Munich is complete bs, unless Pep is gone.

Why ? They say in papers that KdB would be replacement for Ribery not for Guardiola

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

My theory is actually that Mourinho is a ginger racist. How else to explain the exits of De Bruyne & Schürrle??

Mourinho only wants latino's (Costa, Fabregas, Oscar, Hazard by the looks) & blacks (Willian, Drogba, Remy, Ramires, Zouma, Mikel ...)

It's the only explanation!!

(this is a joke of course, before I get banned from this forum)

(OR ISN'T IT??)

(it is..)

Cesc is European...

[Fernando 6,454]

What ? You mean from last great Dortmund team ?

They sold 4 important players from that team : Sahin, Kagawa, Goetze and Lewandowski.

Goetze and Lewandowski are doing fine. No slump in form but usual self most of the time.

Sahin was injured when Real bought him. He was injured and he's done his ligament if I remember correctly. Then he played here and there but picked up injury now and then. It was also difficult for him because there was no position for him in Real, under Mourinho Khedira had cemented place and as you know Mourinho doesn't rotate.

So basically that leaves us with Kagawa. That's a mystery for me but he was a flop, yeah.

I don't count players like Barrios, Perisic, Schieber and all because they weren't stars of Dortmund rather squad players.

So your statement is incorrect.

Yes but they stayed in Bundesliga.

Has anyone that left Bundesliga to Spain or England done that well recently?

[iseah100 5,612]

KDB is just another example of the chaos and inefficiency Mourinho brings with him to every team he's managed.

His trophy cabinet says otherwise.

I'd rather have Jose than KDB

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

Yes but they stayed in Bundesliga.

Has anyone that left Bundesliga to Spain or England done that well recently?

Very recently, no. But I can't remember if someone big in Germany moved abroad. Ter Stegen ? He's doing fine I guess.

I don't think that's an issue if you want to point out that some players only perform in Germany not somewhere else. We don't have many examples to judge. There's Kagawa but there's Vidal also.

[Oscar 441]

Why ? They say in papers that KdB would be replacement for Ribery not for Guardiola

The same papers also said Ivan was the main target for Munich.......

[Tomo 21,733]

It is ... But not in Jose's world!!!

If attack is the best form of defence why do Real have such a shit record vs Atletico this season and why have we been seeing off those type of teams for years?

[DYC. 7,542]

Yes but they stayed in Bundesliga.

Has anyone that left Bundesliga to Spain or England done that well recently?

Thinking about the bigger names, I can think of Ozil, Mertesacker, Khedira, Carvajal, Kroos, Dzeko, Can, Mandzukic, Ter Stegen (though Barca have that weird rotation). Bayern pick up most of the stand out players though. And the PL is the only league that makes a lot of big money foreign transfers (Real, Barca and PSG being the exception in their own leagues). Other leagues dealing with a lot more home grown players and players bought at a very young age.

I'm not sure if I understand your point though. So many stars of football were puchased from Ligue 1, Primeira Liga, Eredivisie and South American leagues. Does that say something about the quality of those leagues? And it's not like all PL players do very well when they leave, bar the extremely talented bought for a lot of money of course.

[Fernando 6,454]

Thinking about the bigger names, I can think of Ozil, Mertesacker, Khedira, Carvajal, Kroos, Dzeko, Can, Mandzukic, Ter Stegen (though Barca have that weird rotation). Bayern pick up most of the stand out players though. And the PL is the only league that makes a lot of big money foreign transfers (Real, Barca and PSG being the exception in their own leagues). Other leagues dealing with a lot more home grown players and players bought at a very young age.

I'm not sure if I understand your point though. So many stars of football were puchased from Ligue 1, Primeira Liga, Eredivisie and South American leagues. Does that say something about the quality of those leagues? And it's not like all PL players do very well when they leave, bar the extremely talented bought for a lot of money of course.

No you are right. I guess I was blindsided by Dortmund and how not so great their players came out after they join another foreign team.

Well that being said just read this about KDB on ESPN:

Wolfsburg's Kevin De Bruyne open to Chelsea return - sources

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I'd be all for that. Especially if we hand Juventus a 15-20 million Oscar. Dream come true to get KDB for only 30.