The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 CechCole-Terry-Cahill-IvanovicOscar-Ramires-LampardHazard-Lukaku-KDBThis would surely be our stongest 4-3-3?Not at all. Don't know how you can leave our best defender and best attacking midfielder out and say its our strongest 4-3-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I expect Kevin to start tomorrow over Mata because this is an important game and only a blind couldn't see how much he improved the team against Hull whereas an unfit Mata only slowed down the game against Villa (not a criticism to Mata... the guy needs minutes, but he's still far behind the others fitness wise).As for the future, I don't think we'll loan him because José gave him his word he wouldn't be loaned. I know the situation changed with Willian's unexpected arrival - who wasn't at the scope of new signings then because who would have thought Anzhi was going to go on sale? So I guess José will keep his word even if the situation changed.Now I also think he won't play much, if we work with 60 matches for the season I think he'll start 10 and be benched 50. Out of those 50 I see him coming into 25-30. Had Willian not been here, I'd say those numbers would be 20 and 40 (with him coming as a sub in 30 of those). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose M 140 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Not at all. Don't know how you can leave our best defender and best attacking midfielder out and say its our strongest 4-3-3.Um this is my strongest 4-3-3 eleven that will be available for today's game. Luiz is not available and im unsure if Mata is a starter. DDA and Eden2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Um this is my strongest 4-3-3 eleven that will be available for today's game. Luiz is not available and im unsure if Mata is a starter.Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouletje 82 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 anyone knows the reason why he wasn't on the bench against bayern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Andre's recent performance and arrival of Willian should not overshadow Kevin's qualities.He's a very good player and his versatility may get him a few extra games since the rw position seems to be overcrowded now.This player has immense talent and should be given fair chances by Jose.It'll be a shame if he gets sent out on loan again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Andre's recent performance and arrival of Willian should not overshadow Kevin's qualities.He's a very good player and his versatility may get him a few extra games since the rw position seems to be overcrowded now.This player has immense talent and should be given fair chances by Jose.It'll be a shame if he gets loaned again.It'd be a bigger shame if he stays and doesn't get to play. He's our #3 choice on the right and the #3 choice in the centre. How many games will he get into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 anyone knows the reason why he wasn't on the bench against bayern? Because we have a massive squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 It'd be a bigger shame if he stays and doesn't get to play. He's our #3 choice on the right and the #3 choice in the centre. How many games will he get into?This will be the same case next season also.So its either we sell him or keep him and see how it pans out.Honesty I don't think theres any primary,secondary choice for that position and so all 3 players will get shuffled around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 KDB should get his chances, soon. Once Jose set his team for 22 players, hopefully KDB won´t be missing among the 22.I expect, Chelsea to play around 60 games, this season. Surely, KDB get to play, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 This will be the same case next season also.So its either we sell him or keep him and see how it pans out.Honesty I don't think theres any primary,secondary choice for that position and so all 3 players will get shuffled around.Sounds good in theory, but in practice, this never happens. Players step up and then get the bulk of playing time. (For example, 60 starts available, never get divided 20, 20, 20, they get divided 40, 18, 2). It's not like we have a lack of depth elsewhere either where these players can get shifted so I don't see the need for keeping Mata and De Bruyne both and Mata has been our best player for two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Sounds good in theory, but in practice, this never happens. Players step up and then get the bulk of playing time. (For example, 60 starts available, never get divided 20, 20, 20, they get divided 40, 18, 2). It's not like we have a lack of depth elsewhere either where these players can get shifted so I don't see the need for keeping Mata and De Bruyne both and Mata has been our best player for two seasons. Argh,I really want Kdb to succeed here.The Willian signing has really complicated stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Sounds good in theory, but in practice, this never happens. Players step up and then get the bulk of playing time. (For example, 60 starts available, never get divided 20, 20, 20, they get divided 40, 18, 2). It's not like we have a lack of depth elsewhere either where these players can get shifted so I don't see the need for keeping Mata and De Bruyne both and Mata has been our best player for two seasons. Then it's up to KDB to be one of those players, were one of the top clubs that challenge in every competition were in, survival of the fittest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop 114 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I think it's best for him if they loan him out to a smaller Pl team. He will surely play very well there and next season he will come back even stronger. Either way, keeping him on the bench is not good for his development. Verstuurd vanaf mijn Find 5 met Tapatalk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goemaere 131 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I think it's best for him if they loan him out to a smaller Pl team.He will surely play very well there and next season he will come back even stronger.Either way, keeping him on the bench is not good for his development.Verstuurd vanaf mijn Find 5 met Tapatalk 4Would be ridiculous. Might just hand in a transfer request and go to dortmund who would be more than happy to have him. A player like him belongs in a top team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
╫rue Blue 47 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 KDB should get his chances, soon. Once Jose set his team for 22 players, hopefully KDB won´t be missing among the 22.I expect, Chelsea to play around 60 games, this season. Surely, KDB get to play, then.yes, absolutely he will get gameBUT he simply just 3rd choicefor RW postion, he possible just behind willian and schurllefor AM, absolutely behind mata and oscarwhy people happy just because someplayer still get to play he not anymore can get first team footbal in this club, sadlyKDB just only get very few game, maybe just around 10 as starter in EPLwhich is very very not good for him, player like him really need first team footballif he want to get best development and become quality and mature football playermaybe he better leave, thats true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 This is the make or break season for Mata and Kevin, atm it is clear Jose doesn't rate them that highly yet. Next summer that will likely to change or they will both leave, permanently. I hope it is the former and not the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Would be ridiculous. Might just hand in a transfer request and go to dortmund who would be more than happy to have him. A player like him belongs in a top team.Why leave Chelsea in the first place?He belongs to Chelsea and will stay here, the least of the club's concerns is the World Cup next year... He will play, he just won't play as much as he would have if we didn't sign Willian.Truth is right now he's a squad player with the many options we have.In a Chelsea FC point of view, it's perfect. He'll play some of those 60 matches - probably something around 10 as a starter and 15-20 as a sub, will grow working under Mourinho - you don't grow only playing, but also training with big managers such as Mou. In addition to that top teams as suggested by you also have plenty of talent in the AM, so he'd probably face fierce competition in most top teams in Europe now. There's no need for him to go to a medium team like Werder again - regardless of which league that might be, except if the reason is a Belgium NT angle. It may disrupt his development for Belgium, but I think as a player he has a lot to learn from Mourinho - especially at such early age. He may not play much, but it's also in his hands to prove he's a viable option. I don't want him to leave, I want him to stay and show his value and fight for the position. He played a great match against Hull imo and I'm sure Mourinho didn't forget it or will forget it just because we now have Willian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,938 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 This is the make or break season for Mata and Kevin, atm it is clear Jose doesn't rate them that highly yet. Next summer that will likely to change or they will both leave, permanently. I hope it is the former and not the latter.How has Jose shown that he 'clearly doesn't rate Kevin' ????Please do explain because I'm finding it hard to join up all the dots here. Stingray and Stats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Stats 7,142 Posted September 2, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted September 2, 2013 This is the make or break season for Mata and Kevin, atm it is clear Jose doesn't rate them that highly yet. Next summer that will likely to change or they will both leave, permanently. I hope it is the former and not the latter.Are you serious? If Jose did not rate KDB he would not have started him in 2 of the PL games. Mourinho started him against United and that says it all. He knows his qualities. While he is not been playing Mata as much so far, he is keeping him around for a reason because he knows of his qualities. We have a big squad and competition is massive so everyone has to work for their place. If Mourinho never rated KDB he would of let him go out on loan from weeks ago but he stated he wanted him to stay for a reason.Look at MVG. Mourinho bought him but has not started him yet. It does not mean he does not rate him, just that there are so many good players around the squad. If Mata and KDB stay which I am hopeful they will do, they will get their game time as the season goes on. kellzfresh, Stingray, Barbara and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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