Rumoured Paul Pogba

[BlueLyon 9,359]

35 minutes ago, Dazzy_Vance said:

Disregarding his price, I don't even rate him. You could plonk any midfielder in that Juventus XI and they would dominate in that league. He's a technically gifted midfielder but he has no grasp on tactics or basic football intelligence. He is capable of doing the spectacular but for 99% of the time he's bang average. He's completely lost in the Premier League, it's baffling.

To be honest, Juve looks bit lost this year without him. Certainly they are missing something and Pjanic cant replace it.

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I still think he's going to come good.  Not necessarily under Jose at Utd., though.  He's not unlike other players, that they can excel under the right conditions, look poor in others.  For the money, that shouldn't be the case, but there are only a handful of players that are exceptions to this.  

Jose is stuck on 4231.  That formation is for teams with specialists.  A 10, that doesn't need to play defence a lot, a DM who doesn't need to get forward.  The best part of Pogba is that he's good a lots of things.  Sort of like a younger Yaya.  Guys with his size don't usually have his skill or his physical presence.  Guys that are as strong as him don't have his speed or technical ability.  Etc.  But, he's not amazing at anything singular thing.  He's a jack of all trades, master of none midfielder.  As another poster pointed out, he would look beastly next to Kante in our midfield where we want them to do everything up and down the pitch.

Jose should really be playing a 433 to get the best out of Pogba and Zlatan.  Maybe a 343 or a 352 a la Conte.  He used to be tactically flexible, don't know why he's so stuck on 4231. 

 

 

Jose was playing 433 with herrera and Fellaini to protect Pogba so no excuse and no he will not be brilliant next to kante because it simply means kante has to work by hmself protecting the whole midfield (I think Deschamps tried it in Euro)

The problem with Pogba is he is a wonderful talent but not a 80 m pound player. It feel like he is trying to do to much, what he need to do is just play like any other midfielder rather than trying to be the star

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

26 minutes ago, communicate said:

Jose was playing 433 with herrera and Fellaini to protect Pogba so no excuse and no he will not be brilliant next to kante because it simply means kante has to work by hmself protecting the whole midfield (I think Deschamps tried it in Euro)

The problem with Pogba is he is a wonderful talent but not a 80 m pound player. It feel like he is trying to do to much, what he need to do is just play like any other midfielder rather than trying to be the star

I thought it looked like 4231 with Pogba in the 10 and Fellaini and Herrera taking turns to get forward.  Either way, that's a terrible midfield.  I quite like Herrera, but that's an awful balance.  At Juve he was one of the players protecting Pirlo.  

No, he's not an 80+M player.  I think we can all agree on that.

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

3 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

To be honest, Juve looks bit lost this year without him. Certainly they are missing something and Pjanic cant replace it.

Haven't watched Juve so can't comment on that. Maybe he just doesn't suit the Prem because he doesn't have as much time on the ball? I'm not sure what it is but every time I have watched him he has been utter trash.

[Special Juan 28,154]

Fucking anonymous again yesterday....wandering around the field doing fuck all.

I think he's still at the bridge wandering around chasing shadows.

[MefiX19 1,092]

Rich mans RLC. Strong technicly gifted bastard that wanders around the field doing fuck all, cuz he is lazy

[Jase 43,479]

9 hours ago, The Skipper said:

People were crying about us not going above and beyond to sign him. Could've been us as the laughing stock you know. He's talented but nowhere near worth that money. Funnily enough, he would fit the 343 system next to Kante pretty well here though!

Nah. I don't think he's tactically disciplined and aggressive enough to be playing in a 2-man midfield. He's much better in a 3-man midfield system.

[Parky 739]

Good player but the hype and money got to his head instead of hard work and focus. Also under the wrong manager for him to grow as a player. Sad really..

 

 

[manpe 10,861]

What impresses me most about his transfer is that he isn't unanimously recognized as being the best at anything, yet he commanded a world record fee. Only fools buy like that. I can understand Ronaldo's fee for example, he has a strong case for being the best at something. Pogba? No chance. Hell, he's not even the best on Instagram, our own Batsman has him well beaten at that as well.

[The Skipper 20,609]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

Nah. I don't think he's tactically disciplined and aggressive enough to be playing in a 2-man midfield. He's much better in a 3-man midfield system.

It's not that simple. A 2 man midfield in a 343 is very different to a 2 man midfield in let's say a 4231.

[akgw13 867]

Honestly i think its just the setup/coach that have him off. He is suited as a b2b stud, potentially(keyword) one of the best in the world. He is above average in every facet of the game and needs to have a proper system to show off his skills. 4231 might be the absolute worst system for him and its what Jose insists on playing rather stubbornly. Is he worth a world record fee? I cant answer that, However i would take him in a heartbeat cause Conte would know how to properly use him. We can only dream of the damage he would do with a proper coach and a player like Kante next to him. 

The kid is still just 23, I would have absolutely loved to have him. Mourinho and the toxic team environment in Manchester are failing him. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, The Skipper said:

It's not that simple. A 2 man midfield in a 343 is very different to a 2 man midfield in let's say a 4231.

Maybe from an offensive point of view. But from the defensive side of things, both midfielders still have to work to protect the defence - covering the space, putting pressure on the ball, make sure there's no space between the lines, getting back to cover if possession is lost etc.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Carlton Pogba on the Ballon D'or shortlist for Christ's sake 

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

Mourinho reckons Pogba would be a great defender. Omg I would love to see him turned into a CB LOL

[kellzfresh 7,229]

19 minutes ago, Dazzy_Vance said:

Mourinho reckons Pogba would be a great defender. Omg I would love to see him turned into a CB LOL

Would love him to do to pogba what he did to mikel lol 

[Dazzy_Vance 454]

1 hour ago, kellzfresh said:

Would love him to do to pogba what he did to mikel lol 

I'm getting so much joy out of their capitulation. I know it's early days but Man United are a disaster waiting to happen. MKH not getting games, Pogba looking lost in midfield, mistreatment of Schweinsteiger, Shaw unable to get on the pitch, always starting Fellaini in midfield, Martial's drop in form, etc.

Just so glad it's not us this season. As much as I am grateful for what Mou did for us, I am glad he's gone.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

[Special Juan 28,154]

Woeful again yesterday but all you get from United fans is "He will be worth it" and "He just needs time to settle"

Not even worth half of that 90M, good player but no more than that.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

Woeful again yesterday but all you get from United fans is "He will be worth it" and "He just needs time to settle"

Not even worth half of that 90M, good player but no more than that.

Wouldn't say he was woeful. In all honestly United are coming along offensively, the likes of Zlatan, Mkhitryian and Pogba are starting to click and when top players with their ability start to click they will cause teams issues. He will never play as good as he did for Juventus because Mourinho won't allow him that freedom unfortunately. Definitely not worth the money they paid but he's not been awful, United are a final ball off looking alright going forward or so the impression I got watching them against Everton was that, although they have defensive problems.

[Rmpr 8,977]

On 10/24/2016 at 4:24 PM, Jason said:

Maybe from an offensive point of view. But from the defensive side of things, both midfielders still have to work to protect the defence - covering the space, putting pressure on the ball, make sure there's no space between the lines, getting back to cover if possession is lost etc.

Not disagreeing with your overall point about Pogba. However, a 3-4-3 system while defending is much more like a 5-something (usually 3-2 or 4-1), so a player like Pogba wouldnt necessarily have to work so hard since he would have back up protection (so to speak).

Nowadays, formations and positions are very fluid so its hard to analyse and things usually depend on a case to case basis.