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[Kojo 4,676]

Have you forgotten about the likes of Bosingwa, Kalou, Malouda, Anelka, Turnbull, Hilario, Lukaku? Evaluating defensive mids is the hardest, since they don't stick out, which for them is actually better than sticking out.

Anyway, there is definitely a Sloth trying to break free from its shackles here

I don't get the point though, Mikel is an Akinfenwa defensive midfielder version.

I'm not breaking free or anything, I'm only saying it how it's said, if no one's going to actually come out and say he's not shit because they're scared of even the average idiot (I've come across about two so far in this thread) then god help them. I don't get why people are so defensive about it, it's like watching Heskey constantly missing sitters and just denying he has done it.

[Kojo 4,676]

Why did you change accounts Sloth?

Because i was going to get arrested for abusing elders.

I had to change my identity.

[Jase 43,479]

And you can call this sort of a stat, when Tiote was injured and at the african cup of nations, Newcastle lost most of there games, i think they only won twice. Everyone was going on about Demba Ba not being there, load of bullshit, because Tiote got injured before the african cup of nations and they started losing games then.

To the contrary, Newcastle's record last season in the league with Tiote and without him is very similar.

WITHOUT

P14 W8 D1 L5

When Tiote was injured(including some minor injuries later on), Newcastle won 5, drew 1 and lost 3. When he was away at ACON, Newcastle won 3 and lost 2.

WITH

P24 W11 D7 L6

[Kojo 4,676]

To the contrary, Newcastle's record last season in the league with Tiote and without him is very similar.

WITHOUT

P14 W8 D1 L5

When Tiote was injured(including some minor injuries later on), Newcastle won 5, drew 1 and lost 3. When he was away at ACON, Newcastle won 3 and lost 2.

WITH

P24 W11 D7 L6

But they where playing bad and struggling, i know they scraped some games, but they where struggling a lot, get some of the results up.

Because my cousin is a newcastle fan and i remember he was almost crying when Tiote was injured because he wanted Newcastle to get as much points as they can, and when he was injured they where deep in shit. I know they lost some games.

[Spike 12,049]

To the contrary, Newcastle's record last season in the league with Tiote and without him is very similar.

WITHOUT

P14 W8 D1 L5

When Tiote was injured(including some minor injuries later on), Newcastle won 5, drew 1 and lost 3. When he was away at ACON, Newcastle won 3 and lost 2.

WITH

P24 W11 D7 L6

Who did they play in these spells?

[Kojo 4,676]

Who did they play in these spells?

I think, they played like Norwich or some team, and just managed to come out and beat them when they got battered the whole game. It was either Norwich or someone else, West Brom was one of them too, West Brom battered them and they came out with a draw.

They played us without Tiote, and we thrashed them 3-0, we where just running through there midfield.

[Jase 43,479]

But they where playing bad and struggling, i know they scraped some games, but they where struggling a lot, get some of the results up.

I don't think they were as bad as you're making it out to be. Tiote is not the only reason why Newcastle weren't doing too well then. Even if it is so, they still managed to get wins without him(a win is a win!) and that showed they can cope without him. You're just trying to endorse Tiote and say that he's better than the "shit" Mikel, in your words.

[Kojo 4,676]

I don't think they were as bad as you're making it out to be. Tiote is not the only reason why Newcastle weren't doing too well then. Even if it is so, they still managed to get wins without him(a win is a win!) and that showed they can cope without him. You're just trying to endorse Tiote and say that he's better than the "shit" Mikel, in your words.

They only just coped. Don't forget Pardew was excellent that season for getting results, i don't think he can do it again next season.

They only lost 1 more with him in a shit load more games, but yet won about 4 more with him than without him. So it's a big difference really, and considering the games they played. They wouldn't of gotten a result against Man U, he got man of the match on Sky (even if they are stupid) but he completely ruled that match.

And as for Mikel, i know any day of the week Tiote is much better than him.

[Jase 43,479]

Who did they play in these spells?

WHEN TIOTE WAS INJURED

Stoke (A) - WON 3-1

Everton (H) - WON 2-1

Man City (A) - LOST 3-1

Man Utd (A) - DREW 1-1

Chelsea (H) - LOST 3-0

Norwich (A) - LOST 4-2 (Newcastle had Perch & Simpson at CB for this one and Norwich targeted that by putting loads of crosses in for Holt etc)

Norwich (H) - WON 1-0

West Brom (A) - WON 3-1

Bolton (A) - WON 2-0

The last 3 matches came later into the season when Tiote picked up minor injuries.

WHEN TIOTE WAS AT ACON

QPR (H) - WON 1-0

Fulham (A) - LOST 5-2

Blackburn (A) - WON 2-0

VIlla (H) - WON 2-1

Spurs (A) - LOST 5-0

[zolayes 14,489]

To the contrary, Newcastle's record last season in the league with Tiote and without him is very similar.

WITHOUT

P14 W8 D1 L5

When Tiote was injured(including some minor injuries later on), Newcastle won 5, drew 1 and lost 3. When he was away at ACON, Newcastle won 3 and lost 2.

WITH

P24 W11 D7 L6

WIN % WITHOUT 57

WITH 45

[Kojo 4,676]

WHEN TIOTE WAS INJURED

Stoke (A) - WON 3-1

Everton (H) - WON 2-1

Man City (A) - LOST 3-1

Man Utd (A) - DREW 1-1

Chelsea (H) - LOST 3-0

Norwich (A) - LOST 4-2 (Newcastle had Perch & Simpson at CB for this one and Norwich targeted that by putting loads of crosses in for Holt etc)

Norwich (H) - WON 1-0

West Brom (A) - WON 3-1

Bolton (A) - WON 2-0

The last 3 matches came later into the season when Tiote picked up minor injuries.

WHEN TIOTE WAS AT ACON

QPR (H) - WON 1-0

Fulham (A) - LOST 5-2

Blackburn (A) - WON 2-0

VIlla (H) - WON 2-1

Spurs (A) - LOST 5-0

Wait you're right Tiote was out for the 1-1 match, it was the 3-0 match where he got man of the match, because i know he just kept bullying Rooney all the time.

OOOOF that Spurs loss... jesus, i remember he was missed in that, adebayor got 5 assists in that game didn't he?.

Well if you look at the wins at Acon, they beat some very shit teams, and lost heavy against good teams.

They played well against Stoke like, Demba Ba got a hattrick that match, Stoke where just shite. Cannot even remember the Everton game.

[Jase 43,479]

Wait you're right Tiote was out for the 1-1 match, it was the 3-0 match where he got man of the match, because i know he just kept bullying Rooney all the time.

OOOOF that Spurs loss... jesus, i remember he was missed in that, adebayor got 5 assists in that game didn't he?.

Well if you look at the wins at Acon, they beat some very shit teams, and lost heavy against good teams.

They played well against Stoke like, Demba Ba got a hattrick that match, Stoke where just shite. Cannot even remember the Everton game.

Shit teams or not, you've still got to play well enough to beat them. AND you're basically just finding stupid excuses now to elevate Tiote into some 'god-like' midfielder.

[Kojo 4,676]

WIN % WITHOUT 57

WITH 45

Yeah and one draw, when they had 7 draws besides that, that's 7 points against one. When you're newcastle, draws are very vital. They only lost one more game with him than they did without him, considering they played more games with him than without him.

[Kojo 4,676]

Shit teams or not, you've still got to play well enough to beat them. AND you're basically just finding stupid excuses now to elevate Tiote into some 'god-like' midfielder.

They're not shit excuses at all, they where against Blackburn, QPR and Villa, one team was relegated, the other two where just almost relegated. Along with all the managers sacked besides Steve Kean.

The stats aren't even that bad, they don't do it as much justice, but i know Tiote is a better midfielder than Mikel, for me he's world class in defensive midfield department, not worldclass overall.

[Spike 12,049]

Tiote is so rough, his technical skills are worse than Rami's.