Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

PSV Eindhoven* not Ajax.

Malen is definitely a talent though and has made his full Netherlands debut I am sure. Has also scored 20 goals in 54 games for PSV in the last 2 seasons. 

Also at Lyon Depay has probably been playing some of the best football of his career. He looks as if hes matured. 

Malen actually has 25 goals and 10 assists in around 2400 total minutes over the past two seasons in top flight football, including Europe (CL and EL). He is tearing shit up at 19 and 20 years of age

that rate translates out to around 40 goals and 15 assists over a full seasons minutes, all comps

let's see if he can keep up that rate

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So whats the verdict Vesper? You think we will be allowed to spend in Jan? If so you think we will grab some? I doubt it.

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1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

2 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

PSV Eindhoven* not Ajax.
Malen is definitely a talent though and has made his full Netherlands debut I am sure. Has also scored 20 goals in 54 games for PSV in the last 2 seasons. 
Also at Lyon Depay has probably been playing some of the best football of his career. He looks as if hes matured. 

Never get overexcited about young talent in Holland during their first season. Dolberg is one that comes to mind in recent times.

His record so far is pretty respectable. Got 47 goals in 123 games (Ligue 1, Europa League, League, Dutch Cup etc) which for someone under the age of 23 and plays CF, isnt nowhere near half as bad as youd think, that youd think would excite some people considering his age etc.

Hes still only 21 and can improve his goal return yet but he is a good player, just hasnt maintained that momentum he had in his first full season (understandably so as well being a 18 year old CF).

If you look all around Europe at CFs his goal returns is better than other modern day young CFs in their first 123 games, better return than guys like Rashfords, Balotelli who were dubbed huge talents, or even later bloomers such as Kane, Dolbergs first 123 games at club level is better IIRC. Its also very close to Agueros first 120 odd games as well. Hard to say somebody whos scored 46 goals in about 130 games is overrated or still not entirely exciting in terms of how much more they can improve. Depay was also a very good talent from Holland just didnt work at United. The amount of talent coming out of the Dutch league is still incredible. Not every players Frenkie de Jong or de Ligt but guys like Depay, Wjinaldum, even Lozano who developed there have all gone onto other clubs and found success or played at a higher level.

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His record so far is pretty respectable. Got 47 goals in 123 games (Ligue 1, Europa League, League, Dutch Cup etc) which for someone under the age of 23 and plays CF, isnt nowhere near half as bad as youd think, that youd think would excite some people considering his age etc. Hes still only 21 and can improve his goal return yet but he is a good player, just hasnt maintained that momentum he had in his first full season (understandably so as well being a 18 year old CF).

If you look all around Europe at CFs his goal returns is better than other modern day young CFs in their first 123 games, better return than guys like Rashfords, Balotelli who were dubbed huge talents, or even later bloomers such as Kane, Dolbergs first 123 games at club level is better IIRC. Its also very close to Agueros first 120 odd games as well. Hard to say somebody whos scored 46 goals in about 130 games is overrated or still not entirely exciting in terms of how much more they can improve. Depay was also a very good talent from Holland just didnt work at United. The amount of talent coming out of the Dutch league is still incredible. Not every players Frenkie de Jong or de Ligt but guys like Depay, Wjinaldum, even Lozano who developed there have all gone onto other clubs and found success or played at a higher level.

 

I never said he's overrated. Just believe people should keep their excitement in check, as there has been countless names in the last decade that have either been a flash in the pan or unable to consistently deliver in Holland or abroad. 

 

 

Numbers alone ought to be taken with a pinch of salt unless they are over a sustained period. Locadio scored 29 goals during 12/13 (19 years old).

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1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

I never said he's overrated. Just believe people should keep their excitement in check, as there has been countless names in the last decade that have either been a flash in the pan or unable to consistently deliver in Holland or abroad. 

 

 

Numbers alone ought to be taken with a pinch of salt unless they are over a sustained period. Locadio scored 29 goals during 12/13 (19 years old).

Agree. Lewis Baker had amazing season there. Now he can't play in Championship. Another great example is Tadic. He was very average player for 3 years in Southampton and last season for Ajax he had 38 goals and 24 assists. Only Messi contributed to more goals in Europe. 

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22 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Agree. Lewis Baker had amazing season there. Now he can't play in Championship. Another great example is Tadic. He was very average player for 3 years in Southampton and last season for Ajax he had 38 goals and 24 assists. Only Messi contributed to more goals in Europe. 

Baker is starting for Fortuna Düsseldorf tonight in the Hertha Berlin game

he should have earned a pen when he was chopped down in the box

probably their best player do far

 

Dušan Tadić already has 8 goals and 10 assists for Ajax this year

so an insane 48 goals and 34 assists in the last 1 and a quarter or so seasons

that is indeed Messi-like numbers

granted, against lesser competition for a lot of those games

 

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Agree. Lewis Baker had amazing season there. Now he can't play in Championship. Another great example is Tadic. He was very average player for 3 years in Southampton and last season for Ajax he had 38 goals and 24 assists. Only Messi contributed to more goals in Europe. 

Or this "wonderkid" - https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/vincent-janssen/leistungsdaten/spieler/207015/plus/0?saison=2015

 

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CIES Football Observatory Monthly Report
n°48 - October 2019

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Ten years of loans in the big-5 European leagues (2009-2019)

https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr48/en/

The 48th Monthly Report of the CIES Football Observatory analyses the evolution of the number and characteristics of footballers having played on loan for teams of the five major European championships during the last decade. It shows that clubs from these leagues take more and more players on loan: from 2.62 per club and season between 2009 and 2014, up to 3.09 between 2014 and 2019 (+18%). In 2018/2019, footballers on loan played a record number of minutes in the big-5: 11.5%.

This evolution is notably explained by the tendency of wealthy teams (Manchester City, Chelsea, Juventus, etc.) to put under contract an increasing number of footballers with a sufficient sporting level to play in the major European leagues. This puts other clubs in a greater state of dependency when making up their squads, thus increasing their likelihood to take players on loan.

The study also shows that loans constitute in most of the cases a step towards a definitive departure. Indeed, only 29.6% of footballers lent to big-5 league clubs between 2009/10 and 2018/19 return to their owner team at the end of the loan period. In 27% of the occurrences, they were loaned again, while in the remaining 43.4% of cases they were transferred on a permanent basis to another team.

Regulation makes sense in avoiding the misuse of loan strategies orientated not towards a legitimate sporting logic to develop the potential of a young player on which the loaning team really counts, but rather towards an economic logic that aims to generate profits from the transfer market or a political logic aiming at exercising undue influence on rival clubs. In order to be effective, these measures should be implemented in parallel to the regulation of the questions of buy-back options (recompra) and the multi-ownership of clubs.

 

1. Introduction

A long-standing tradition in professional football, the loan of players fulfils different functions. The recourse to this strategy notably allows lending clubs to obtain experience for their young talents, most often with teams that are less financially well off, whilst keeping full control over transfer rights. From this point of view, the loan follows a logic that is both sporting and economic.

This Monthly Report analyses the evolution of the number and characteristics of footballers having played on loan for teams of the five major European championships (English Premier League, Spanish Liga, Italian Serie A, German Bundesliga and the French Ligue 1) over a ten season period between 2009/10 and 2018/19.

2. How many loans?

During the decade studied, the number of players on loan within clubs taking part in the five major European leagues has grown considerably. An increase of 18% was recorded between the first and last five seasons analysed: from 2.62 to 3.09 per club on average. In 2018/2019, footballers on loan played a record number of minutes within the big-5: 11.5%.

This evolution is notably explained by the tendency of wealthier teams to put under contract an increasing number of footballers with a sufficient sporting level to play in the major European leagues. This puts other clubs in a greater state of dependency when making up their squads, by increasing their likelihood to take players on loan.

The use of player loans varies widely according to league. The Serie A teams are by far those having the most players on loan: on average of 4.87 per club and season during the decade studied. Teams from the Spanish Liga are also strongly inclined to resort to loans (3.85), while their counterparts from the remaining three major European leagues are far less so. Between 2009/10 and 2018/19, footballers on loan only played 6.3% of minutes in the Bundesliga, compared to 14.5% in the Liga.

All the big-5 league teams having taken the biggest contingent of players on loan per season were Spanish or Italian. These are mainly clubs with limited financial resources. Most of the time, the heavy reliance on loans did not bring the expected results (10 relegations in 18 cases, best ranking for Genoa in 2014/15, 6th).

In the three other leagues of the big-5, the record number of players on loan by club and season was 8 in the French League 1 (Arles in 2010/2011 and Bastia in 2014/15), 7 in the German Bundesliga (Eintracht Frankfurt in 2018/19) and only 6 in the English Premier League (Portsmouth in 2009/10, Hull City in 2016/17 and Fulham in 2018/19).

The average age of players loaned to teams of the five major European championships has changed little over ten years with an average of 24.6 years. Considerable differences exist between leagues. At one extreme, German Bundesliga clubs mainly take young players on loan (23.1 years of age on average). At the other, teams from the English Premier League loan more experienced footballers (25.3 years of age).

3. Who loans?

While clubs taking the most players on loan have limited resources, among those who loan frequently are several dominant teams: Chelsea, Inter, Rome, Naples, Manchester City, etc. However, at the top of the rankings is a relatively modest team: Udinese. This position is linked to the fact that the owners of the Italian club were for a long period also the owners of Granada, where they lent many footballers.

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much more at the link above

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Absolutely cant wait to see what Football Manager 2020 says about this years Chelsea team and the quality of our academy. Always thought that the game did no justice to the few academy's in world football that churn out top prospects. In FM, maybe 1 out of 50 youngsters from an academy becomes a good player. We are seeing right now that we have a group of talented youngsters right here in London. Sounds as though FM 2020 is going to make some tweaks to player development and the nurturing of younger prospects. Will be interesting to see what happens with the academy and how the likes of CHO, Pulisic, Abraham, Mount, James etc get rated. 

Anyway. UP THE CHELS

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Chelsea have been linked with a move for Neymar as soon as their transfer ban ends in the summer.

Spanish outlet Don Balon say the Blues want to sign Neymar for $230 million and after an entire year of not spending, Chelsea will certainly have some cash in the bank. But will they really have that much to spend?

Neymar, 27, wanted to leave Paris Saint-Germain this summer but his move to Barcelona or Real Madrid didn’t materialize and the Brazilian superstar is now lambasted by his own fans in the French capital.

It’s clear his move to PSG hasn’t quite worked out, as his main aim was to lead PSG to the UEFA Champions League title. That hasn’t happened and in his own words every PSG home game is now ‘like an away game’ as banners and chants against him are commonplace.

Would Frank Lampard and Chelsea want Neymar at Stamford Bridge?

There’s no doubting his sensational talent and his box office name will certainly generate plenty of extra income and cover a large chunk of the transfer fee and wages. However, Chelsea may struggle to fit in Neymar’s wage demands when it comes to financial fair play.

Hogwash most likely......but if it were to be true then I'll say fuck that. He has a lot of bags with him, EPL will rough him up like no other League he has been at. Would want high wages, costs a bomb. Much rather Sancho for less money and wages. Sancho would slot right in with our youngsters. Yes I know City has first option, but if he says no then they cant do Jack shit. And that is some BS reagrding we cant afford his wages etc......we are more than capable to afford anyone.

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15 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Chelsea have been linked with a move for Neymar as soon as their transfer ban ends in the summer.

Spanish outlet Don Balon say the Blues want to sign Neymar for $230 million and after an entire year of not spending, Chelsea will certainly have some cash in the bank. But will they really have that much to spend?

Neymar, 27, wanted to leave Paris Saint-Germain this summer but his move to Barcelona or Real Madrid didn’t materialize and the Brazilian superstar is now lambasted by his own fans in the French capital.

It’s clear his move to PSG hasn’t quite worked out, as his main aim was to lead PSG to the UEFA Champions League title. That hasn’t happened and in his own words every PSG home game is now ‘like an away game’ as banners and chants against him are commonplace.

Would Frank Lampard and Chelsea want Neymar at Stamford Bridge?

There’s no doubting his sensational talent and his box office name will certainly generate plenty of extra income and cover a large chunk of the transfer fee and wages. However, Chelsea may struggle to fit in Neymar’s wage demands when it comes to financial fair play.

Hogwash most likely......but if it were to be true then I'll say fuck that. He has a lot of bags with him, EPL will rough him up like no other League he has been at. Would want high wages, costs a bomb. Much rather Sancho for less money and wages. Sancho would slot right in with our youngsters. Yes I know City has first option, but if he says no then they cant do Jack shit. And that is some BS reagrding we cant afford his wages etc......we are more than capable to afford anyone.

Wouldn't take Neymar anywhere near the club. The fact PSG fans basically have abandoned him as one of their own players due to his actions and attitude says everything you need to know about him. Arrogant little cunt who went there purely for financial reasons if not anything else... don't buy the whole getting out of Messi's shadow, with him and Suarez they formed arguably the best attack on the planet and would of competed for most trophies available, why leave that? You can step out of somebodies shadow at the same club as well..... Fair enough hes a great player when he wants to be but hes 27 and has the attitude of a child. Also 230M dollars? Hes on about 500k a week apparently as well. No thanks. He probably thought Barca wouldn't do so well without him too and now look how that has turned out, still managed to win leagues and cups despite maybe not being at their top level where as its fair to say Neymar isn't even the best player at PSG either as Kylian Mbappe is.

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4 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Wouldn't take Neymar anywhere near the club. The fact PSG fans basically have abandoned him as one of their own players due to his actions and attitude says everything you need to know about him. Arrogant little cunt who went there purely for financial reasons if not anything else... don't buy the whole getting out of Messi's shadow, with him and Suarez they formed arguably the best attack on the planet and would of competed for most trophies available, why leave that? You can step out of somebodies shadow at the same club as well..... Fair enough hes a great player when he wants to be but hes 27 and has the attitude of a child. Also 230M dollars? Hes on about 500k a week apparently as well. No thanks. He probably thought Barca wouldn't do so well without him too and now look how that has turned out, still managed to win leagues and cups despite maybe not being at their top level where as its fair to say Neymar isn't even the best player at PSG either as Kylian Mbappe is.

Cant fault that view man......he is fucking poisen, too many Sharp edges good player or not. Nahh not for us mate.

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9 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Chelsea have been linked with a move for Neymar as soon as their transfer ban ends in the summer.

Spanish outlet Don Balon say the Blues want to sign Neymar for $230 million and after an entire year of not spending, Chelsea will certainly have some cash in the bank. But will they really have that much to spend?

Neymar, 27, wanted to leave Paris Saint-Germain this summer but his move to Barcelona or Real Madrid didn’t materialize and the Brazilian superstar is now lambasted by his own fans in the French capital.

It’s clear his move to PSG hasn’t quite worked out, as his main aim was to lead PSG to the UEFA Champions League title. That hasn’t happened and in his own words every PSG home game is now ‘like an away game’ as banners and chants against him are commonplace.

Would Frank Lampard and Chelsea want Neymar at Stamford Bridge?

There’s no doubting his sensational talent and his box office name will certainly generate plenty of extra income and cover a large chunk of the transfer fee and wages. However, Chelsea may struggle to fit in Neymar’s wage demands when it comes to financial fair play.

Hogwash most likely......but if it were to be true then I'll say fuck that. He has a lot of bags with him, EPL will rough him up like no other League he has been at. Would want high wages, costs a bomb. Much rather Sancho for less money and wages. Sancho would slot right in with our youngsters. Yes I know City has first option, but if he says no then they cant do Jack shit. And that is some BS reagrding we cant afford his wages etc......we are more than capable to afford anyone.

Don balon is full of shit he talks out his rear end 

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7 hours ago, the wes said:

Don balon is full of shit he talks out his rear end 

Most likely......its just not feasable. Besides epl will likely eat him up.

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21 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Besides epl will likely eat him up.

Big time we are good going forward this season our number one priority should be a CB next season

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1 minute ago, the wes said:

Big time we are good going forward this season our number one priority should be a CB next season

I agree.....although I would say if we can keep Rudi and Tomori fit they will be our 2 CB's, still wouldnt mind another quality CB though. We need another good striker too.

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Juventus 'plan to offer Manchester United Emre Can and Mario Mandzukic' in exchange for Paul Pogba

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7553617/Juventus-plan-offer-Man-Utd-Emre-Mario-Mandzukic-exchange-Paul-Pogba.html

Juventus are ready to offer Manchester United Emre Can and Mario Mandzukic in exchange for Paul Pogba, according to Tuttosport. 

Pogba was angling for move away in the summer but ended up staying at Old Trafford.

Real Madrid were his desired suitors but the Spanish giants have seemingly given up hope of landing the midfielder after being priced out in the summer.

Pogba's future at United remains up in the air following their poor start to the season and Tuttosport claim Juventus are now the front runners to sign him. 

United attempted to sign Mandzukic in the summer and Juventus are hoping his inclusion could persuade them to part with their prized asset.

The Italian newspaper are reporting that Emre Can, who has been forced to play only a supporting role this season, will also be included in the swap deal.

It is not yet clear if Juventus are planning to also offer an upfront payment to supplement the deal. 

Pogba is currently in the United Arab Emirates completing a warm weather recovery programme in a bid to accelerate his return from a foot injury.

 

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On 04/10/2019 at 7:23 PM, Atomiswave said:

So whats the verdict Vesper? You think we will be allowed to spend in Jan? If so you think we will grab some? I doubt it.

no

still banned

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Chelsea fans want Jadon Sancho signed as England ace posts Tammy Abraham snap

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fans-want-jadon-sancho-20558546

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22 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

Most likely......its just not feasable. Besides epl will likely eat him up.

First time Neymar got smashed by Lewis Dunk or Tyrone Mings he would be launched into the 2nd deck

he could flop around like a fish in the aisle, with a half a pie lodged in his arse