Peace. 4,352 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Hernandez is a awfull footballer, all he does is stand around and wait the ball to hit him in the face, has he ever skinned a player? we bash Kalou for "only scoring tap ins" and that's exactly what Hernandez does.He may be an awfull footballer, but he actually does is job, in other words, he scores goal. Can Torres, Drogba, Kalou and Anelka claim the same thing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hysteria 159 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 He may be an awfull footballer, but he actually does is job, in other words, he scores goal. Can Torres, Drogba, Kalou and Anelka claim the same thing ?Totally agree. I preferer to have a striker who isnt the most skillful player, but who actually do his job, score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sturridge (22), Mata (23), Rami and Luiz (24)????Okay. You mentioned four players who can be labeled as players for the long term. United have six of those. Okay, until there, there isn't too much difference. But, United have - at least - three very good (world class for one of them) players in their prime, in Rooney, Nani and Young. Now, mentione me how many of those player we have ? Zero. And this is precisely this kind of player who enable the transition to be made, this is them who link the old guard with the youngs coming up. A transition does not mean to go from a point A to a point C, it means to go from a point A to a point C through a point B. We miss this link, we just have a team composed of players in their 30', and we throw into the mix some young ones. This ain't a transition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluephoenix 1,131 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 He may be an awfull footballer, but he actually does is job, in other words, he scores goal. Can Torres, Drogba, Kalou and Anelka claim the same thing ?if you want our strikers to score like Hernandez then you need some one to feed the ball to them... besides right now all the teams in PL are marking the strikers well other than us ! our marking is just terrible at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodojojo 510 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 if you want our strikers to score like Hernandez then you need some one to feed the ball to them...Take your common sense and logic elsewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodojojo 510 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Hernandez gave us a big clue of the type of striker he is by scoring his first competitive goal for United with his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace. 4,352 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 if you want our strikers to score like Hernandez then you need some one to feed the ball to them... besides right now all the teams in PL are marking the strikers well other than us ! our marking is just terrible at the moment....Sometimes I wonder how Lampard and Sturridge have managed to score 11 goals ? Did the the ball went in the net by the hand of God ?And by the way, I didn't mean I wanted our strikers to score like Hernandez. I just stated two facts, our strikers don't score while Chicharito does. So the point of my post was to say there was no point in critisize his quality or profile, since he fulfils his task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluephoenix 1,131 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 Take your common sense and logic elsewhere...I would but the problem is , it is required here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluephoenix 1,131 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 ...Sometimes I wonder how Lampard and Sturridge have managed to score 11 goals ? Did the the ball went in the net by the hand of God ?And by the way, I didn't mean I wanted our strikers to score like Hernandez. I just stated two facts, our strikers don't score while Chicharito does. So the point of my post was to say there was no point in critisize his quality or profile, since he fulfils his task.I see your point apologies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Transition? No, we are not in transition. When we have a new players ( or youngsters) on the field, then we will be in transition. Untill then, we are in "Bad moment".About this season, we will not finish in the top four. No way. The sooner you get used to it, the less you have the urge to break a laptop or drink a bottle of whiskey after every Man Utd, Man City, Tottenham, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle match. We will play Europa League ( my favourite Europe competition) next season( or few).The good thing is we will be there together with Arsenal (Liverpool) and Newcastle. I know missing out of Champions League will be big blow for this club and to most fans. However this is something through which we have to pass. Mainly becouse of our board. They are making one bad decision after another. And they don't learn from their mistakes. For example, after Torres transfer, they bought Lukaku. I know he is for future, but you take care of future after you sort out your present.- Salaries are too high given the contribution on the field.- Most of our transfer are not enough, pointless and needs are not addressed properly.- We do not have enough money to repair damage with it all the time. - We set the standards that we can no longer follow ( wages, transfer fees).- We change managers, but not the players. With our last move we've replaced decent manager with by no means better one. Some are saying we can't afford not playing CL. Very true. But we also can't afford all these mistakes. Policy of this club is poor, and should be changed. And what better to initiate changes from such „failure“? As for world class players that might leave, such as Mata ( or Luiz), they depend on form of their teammates, regardless of CL.As for FFP rules, we didn't buy properly without them. I am sure all clubs will find ways to work with them. So will we.Besides, whether we will be the top four team and tittle contenders, depends on ambition of our owner and wise decision making, not season or two without CL .But, we will experience some kind of bad moments - transition - better moments cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Transition? No, we are not in transition.When we have a new players ( or youngsters) on the field, then we will be in transition.Have to agree with that. In many ways we are experiencing the same problems we did last year and before that. AVB is being let down by the players. We HAVE to start looking towards changing things that are a way of us building for the future. I would also like to see us try a settled side for a run of games, always making changes fine for making sure playing time is fair but it is not helping the continuity of play.Our most gritty and determined performances have been when we have played in the Carling Cup this season, we need to see players given a chance to impress. .......................................................Cech.........................................................Bosingwa...................Ivanovic.........................Luiz............................Bertrand.................................Meireles.......................Ramires..............................................................................................Mata........................................................Sturridge........................................Torres.........................................???????This is what i would give a try, with any of Anelka, Malouda or Kalou to play the other winger role until we can bring one in January. Mata is clearly better suited to playing in the 10 role to influence the game. Would play Ash in the bigger games but Bertrand needs much more games. Would also even out the games between Meireles and Romeu and also between Ramires and Lamps.The bottom line is we need to be looking to do something different. Neil Barnett on CTV last night said that CFC want to give Didier a run of games to see if he can play into form. At his age Drogba is not going to improve, who does it make more sense to play into form, your 33 year old striker who is soon off to the ACN or your younger £50m striker who can be one of the best in the world? Lamps also needs to accept a more withdrawn role, we need (and have needed for way too long) a creative player in the most advanced midfield position to influence attacks and playing Lamps there as we do restricts our attacks to very one dimensional plays.We are struggling at the moment, but if we are to be a team in transition under AVB then lets at least be one and make some real changes for the FUTURE right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The Main Problems for AVB is we don't have the players who suit his style of play. He has come in and tried to get players to play in a way they are not used to., this is our issue also most of the players left (the old guard) are not in there primes anymore they sometimes show glimmers of there former selves (Drogba's Goal last night) but in the long run they are a shadow of there former self.We are now getting payback for fannying around with managers over the past few years if we had stuck to one they would have there own stamp on there team and not just a bunch of players from the Mourniho era.At the moment we are not a team , AVB has two choices go into the jan market and buy players he needs to play his football , or for this season at least play to our strengths. with a couple of months till Jan option 2 seems the most viable now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,363 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 The Main Problems for AVB is we don't have the players who suit his style of play. He has come in and tried to get players to play in a way they are not used to., this is our issue also most of the players left (the old guard) are not in there primes anymore they sometimes show glimmers of there former selves (Drogba's Goal last night) but in the long run they are a shadow of there former self. We are now getting payback for fannying around with managers over the past few years if we had stuck to one they would have there own stamp on there team and not just a bunch of players from the Mourniho era. At the moment we are not a team , AVB has two choices go into the jan market and buy players he needs to play his football , or for this season at least play to our strengths. with a couple of months till Jan option 2 seems the most viable now. Nail on head there.As I see it the strategy of Chesea FC is to have a hierarchy from Abramovich down of yes men, who agree on which player is the new Pele -regardless of what the professionals think.It was clear from JTs statements regarding the stadium that every employee of the club is paid on the understanding they must agree with what they are being told to agree with. We might have financial stability unlike Utd but at least the Glazer parasites leave rednose and footballing experts to indulge themselves in what they know.At SW6 we lurch from one knee jerk reaction to another whether it be youth strategy, managers, coaches, team policy, targets etc. Under this regime we will never be stable and able to continually build and evolve like Yernited or Arsenal. Criticising AVB, Torres, Lampard etc or arguing about whether Ancelloti should have been fired is re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic. Until we have proper governance, real accountability from senior managers selected on ability and knowledge - ie not servile yes men such as Buck and Gourlay and a defined strategy to take the club forward we will always lurch around the way we have been recently.The playing staff need culling, there are some that are the new Kensington royalty, and as such seeing managers coming and going have no respect for them. Its like children constantly having step parents , of which they have less and less respect for.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 Nail on head there.As I see it the strategy of Chesea FC is to have a hierarchy from Abramovich down of yes men, who agree on which player is the new Pele -regardless of what the professionals think.It was clear from JTs statements regarding the stadium that every employee of the club is paid on the understanding they must agree with what they are being told to agree with. We might have financial stability unlike Utd but at least the Glazer parasites leave rednose and footballing experts to indulge themselves in what they know.At SW6 we lurch from one knee jerk reaction to another whether it be youth strategy, managers, coaches, team policy, targets etc. Under this regime we will never be stable and able to continually build and evolve like Yernited or Arsenal. Criticising AVB, Torres, Lampard etc or arguing about whether Ancelloti should have been fired is re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic. Until we have proper governance, real accountability from senior managers selected on ability and knowledge - ie not servile yes men such as Buck and Gourlay and a defined strategy to take the club forward we will always lurch around the way we have been recently.The playing staff need culling, there are some that are the new Kensington royalty, and as such seeing managers coming and going have no respect for them. Its like children constantly having step parents , of which they have less and less respect for....ExactlyI really agree with the parts about untied , the Glazers leave the football to the people who know what to do. So do City the owner just gives the manager the money and the choices on the football pitch. With Roman he needs to medal in team business he is no football expert and should leave it to the people who are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 24, 2011 Share Posted November 24, 2011 ExactlyI really agree with the parts about untied , the Glazers leave the football to the people who know what to do. So do City the owner just gives the manager the money and the choices on the football pitch. With Roman he needs to medal in team business he is no football expert and should leave it to the people who are.Roman has to also realize that because of the new rules he can't throw his toys out of the pram and sack the manager anymore when it is not going well. He used to be able to pay them off out of his own pocket and just appoint the next one. Now all that dough will go towards FFP.We only have 2 realistic options, either stick with AVB or out him and give his role to Roberto Di Matteo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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